AKJ Dasam Granth Kirtan

[GPS]

N30singh wrote

2. Sutantar Anubhadith Bani Rachna of Sri Dasam Granth sahib ji- This type of rachna is translations of previous compositions written by many tapavasi rishi, munis which in this care were translated by sri dasam patsah. For example- It's well known fact with in academics 405 tales in treh charitar are translated from previous various compositions, one granth being panch tantar, its also well known fact within in academics that many avtars from Chaubis Avtars compositions are directly translated by sri dasam patsah from Sri Bhagvad, Vishnu Puran.

3. Gur Asa Misrat Anubhadith Rachna of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji- This type of rachna means where one explain his/her own stance/beleif/thoughts/sidhant before compositions being translated kinda like commentary. In Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, sri guru gobind singh ji had this type of rachna as well, specifically in sri dasam granth sahib for example- composition named chandi di // reflects this type of rachna. If one studies chandi di //- sri guru gobind singh ji has given gurmat sidhant in the first(bhaugati ki //) and second pauri of chandi di //. Both pauries is Salutations (Namaskar) to Sri Akaal Purkh. Then if one looks at the third pauri, its preface of chandi di //. Finally then fourth pauri of Chandi Di // is composition directly translated in punjabi taken from 757 stanza of source "Markandai Puran" all the way to last stanza of markandai puratan.

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My response

Not only in the beginning but throughout these compositions guru sahib's own writings that have no connection to any puranas/Hindu texts are found.In essence his own composition and views are interspersed in these epics.

For example Guns and cannons boom in Chandi charitras.There were no cannons when markandey wrote his purana. There are beautiful shabads in chaubis avtars for example he "rav he sas meri abe benti sunn leeje".

In krishna avtar whole parsang of kharag singh (forms major part) is nowhere in any purana.In this real hero is kharag singh who throws krishna on ground by pulling from hair and then let him go saying if he kills him whom he will fight.

So dasam granth sahib in entirety is a priceless granth of Guru sahib.It is complex in structure and people who have not studied it should not comment negatively. Dr balbir singh , brother of Bhai veer singh has rightly written that in Dasam Granth there are hidden sparks and with time they will bloom and lead sikh nation to its pristine glory.

[humgareeb]

No body says that Dasam Granth is our Guru. The above is about a mistake in printing by Gulab singh and sons.It does not talk about parallel parkash of Dasam Granth sahib as you were alleging.

I have given you enough references wherein akj.org and akj uk dispute authenticity of Dasam granth sahib.Do not you read what is being posted.Did not you read the cooment here

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Sarbjit Expose19 November, 2012 12:16 PM

Fantastic work brothers.

I hope AKJ London is being shown this blog, they need educating the most esp Akj Southall and Akj Slough.

Some are staunchly against Guru Gobind Singh Ji's bani openly and supporting the likes of Sarbjit Dhunda (Esp Onkar Singh and his Father Jaswant Singh).

Big problem for the panth!

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For your reference as you may not be knowing, Anurag singh has old manuscript of Dasam granth shaib at his home that he has kept with great respect and accords special status to bani of Dasam pita.Only a gurnindak will raise non issues such as parkash of dasam granth sahib.

Article IX in the Sikh rehat marayada states

c. Placing a pitcher, ceremonial clarified-butter-fed lamp, coconut, etc. around, during the course of the uninterrupted or any other reading of Guru Granth Sahib, or reading of other Scriptural texts side by side with or in the course of such reading is contrary to the gurmat (Guru's way).

So is the parallel parkash not contrary to the panthic marayada? Are the organisations which are doing this then violating the hukam of the Panth?

Can you refer me to the place in your links where is says AKJ UK not not believe in DG or they support dhunda?? If you cannot, don't keep bearing about the bush..

[Sikhistan]

Singhfauja's reply gives good picture of sad situation within this group. Don't kid yourself asking for proof as many people are aware of standpoint of each other. It is dirty politics where people hides the reality and put the fake face of unity. Give it a time, reality will come forward.

[GPS]

Article IX in the Sikh rehat marayada states

c. Placing a pitcher, ceremonial clarified-butter-fed lamp, coconut, etc. around, during the course of the uninterrupted or any other reading of Guru Granth Sahib, or reading of other Scriptural texts side by side with or in the course of such reading is contrary to the gurmat (Guru's way).

So is the parallel parkash not contrary to the panthic marayada? Are the organisations which are doing this then violating the hukam of the Panth?

Can you refer me to the place in your links where is says AKJ UK not not believe in DG or they support dhunda?? If you cannot, don't keep bearing about the bush..

Parallel parkash does not mean that both granths are being read simultaneously. When parkash of Dasam granth is done, it is done at a lower platform than that of SGGS ji.Palki of Dasam granth sahib is smaller in size than that of SGGS ji. That itself indicates that SGGS has no rival in Dasam Granth sahib.

You have not shown me wherein tarlochan singh wrote that there should be no parkash of Dasam Granth sahib.When queried you just beat about bush by sidetracking the question.

California akhand kirtani jatha who has done a wonderful job in taking on anti Dasam granth brigade in uSA. khalsa panth is proud of such Gursikhs. have not you read what he has written. There are other references provided by me that state the same.

Whom are you kidding here. We know Dhundha came to UK in Nov and visited coventry and was entertained by akj UK.When faced protests akj uk issues a statement defending this heretic in an oblique manner.What does that mean? It shows their anti sikh agenda and disowning Bhai sahib Bhai Randhir singh.

[GPS]

This was the statement issued by akj.org which is administered by Toronto in league with akj uk

Vaheguru jee kaa Khaalsaa. Vaheguru jee kee Fateh.

Akhand Keertanee Jathaa realizes that there has been an intense debate on and around the issues of Dasam Granth. These issues concern the contents, the authorship, the history, and more, and for the most part the discussions have created a major rift within Khaalsaa Panth by creating confusion, heated arguments, even violence among different factions to the point that some events have caused embarrassment to Khaalsaa Panth.

In the spirit of GurBaanee of Sri Guru Granth Saheb Jee, in general, and, specifically, Siri Akaal Takhat Saheb Hukamnaamaas issued in 2004 and 2006, Akhand Keertanee Jathaa has sought NOT to publicize these issues. Scholars from the Jathaa will definitely involve themselves in any Panthic gathering that the Akal Takhat leadership convenes.

We commit to the fact that The Dasam Granth does contain Baanee of Guru Gobind Singh Jee, our Tenth Guru Saheb. Many have raised what seem to be plausible doubts about some parts of The Dasam Granth that, they say, are not the Rachanaa of our Guru Saheb. We are eager to see the researchers prove the facts, and whatever the facts turn out to be, and are agreeable to Khaalsaa Panth, Akhand Keertanee Jathaa will abide by the decisions of Khaalsaa Panth.

In the mean time, however, Akhand Keertanee Jathaa fully regards GurBaanee contained in Sri Guru Granth Saheb Jee as GurBaanee and our Guru Saheb. The Baanee contained with The Dasam Granth is not our Guru and does not in any way hold equal value to actual GurBaanee of Sri Guru Granth Saheb Jee who is and will forever be the Guru of the entire Khaalsaa Panth. In that spirit, we do not support the "Parkaash" or regard of The Dasam Granth at a level equal to that of Sri Guru Granth Saheb Jee as has become prevalent in some circles.

Akhand Keertanee Jathaa humbly requests all of the Khaalsaa brothers and sisters to please tone down the rhetoric for the sake of the unity of one Khaalsaa Panth, our past, our present, and our future. We further request all of the members of Khaalsaa Panth to not slander each other, to not come under the influences of the ultra-extremist thinkers within our Panth because these internal divisions harm our Panthic links to each other as well our spiritual links to Guru Saheb. These internal rifts also give an opportunity to outsiders, our enemies of many centuries, to further do us harm.

Khaalsaa Jee, we should study our history without bias, and we should reach conclusions and decisions in amicable and Panthic ways as ascribed in our Panthic Reht Maryada.

We pray for the Chardee Kalaa of all Khaalsaa Panth members.

Vaheguru jee kaa Khaalsaa. Vaheguru jee kee Fateh.

(official statement of the AKJ regarding the holy Sri Dasam Granth Sahib on http://www.akj.org/f...05079847ff1ac7)

Below lines is quite clear on anti Dasam granth stand of akj.org

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Many have raised what seem to be plausible doubts about some parts of The Dasam Granth that, they say, are not the Rachanaa of our Guru Saheb. We are eager to see the researchers prove the facts, and whatever the facts turn out to be, and are agreeable to Khaalsaa Panth, Akhand Keertanee Jathaa will abide by the decisions of Khaalsaa Panth.

[taran0]

even though, I totally appreciate the official response that to move forward in unity we must be able to discuss without slandering and being offensive, or making it into a huge bomb going off, and sit with each other have langar and be able to talk without getting out of hand.

to also add there is a great book that for me answered a lot of questions that I had

Sri Dasam Granth Sahib: Questions and Answers
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sri-Dasam-Granth-Sahib-Questions/dp/0956843506

by the way, I'm loving the AKJ Dasam kirtan videos

[GPS]

Official statement does not call for discussions.It gives judgement of their own when they say plusible doubts about Dasam Granth.

[Harpreet_Singh]

Bhai Sahib Bhai Jeevan Singh singing Chariter bani from dasam granth:

I don't believe the AKJ is a very centralized body like Taksal or Nihung dals. When those jathas issue edicts from India or a main source it is followed by and large by individuals abroad. The AKJ abroad has varying opinions like general sangat, and can vary from person to person. Although it seems the majority believe in Dasam Bani, and historically, as proven above, the main individuals of AKJ have believed in dasam bani in its entirety.

[GPS]

When a sikh gets married, there is a long standing tradition in panth, that Granthi singh advises him not to indulge in any extra marital activity.He does this by reading verses from charitra 21 of Chariteopkhayan. It goes like this " sudh hum-------, bachan guru diye hamare" So those who pass judgements on any bani of Dasam granth sahib are indulging in blasphemy.

[GPS]

Bhai Sahib Bhai Jeevan Singh singing Chariter bani from dasam granth:

I don't believe the AKJ is a very centralized body like Taksal or Nihung dals. When those jathas issue edicts from India or a main source it is followed by and large by individuals abroad. The AKJ abroad has varying opinions like general sangat, and can vary from person to person. Although it seems the majority believe in Dasam Bani, and historically, as proven above, the main individuals of AKJ have believed in dasam bani in its entirety.

There is a central body in India that has issued edict clarifying akj stance on Dasam bani.certain self styled akj groups abroad are violating that.

http://akhandkirtanijatha.org/pressreleases/AKJ_pressnote_re_SriDasamBani_10_21_2008.php