The origin of 5 Kakaars

[N30S1NGH]

Sant gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale mentions hanuman blessed with kachera by previous yug avtar - sri ram chandar ji after seeing his jat and sat.

Baba ji importance of the kachera through ancient examples. it is saying that ravan and inder commited maha paps (to Sita ji and Ahilya) because they didnt wear a kachera (sign of chastity) and that hanuman ji in reward of there "Jath Sath" was given a kachera by ram chander ji

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Ramchander gave Kachera to hanumaan,this thing is not related with sikhism and sikhs prior to baisakhi of 1699 were also sikhs, Most of the time when we come with this Five K's arguement we should always rembeber the fact sikhs before 1699 were also khlasa(pure) but khalsa was started using commonly after baisakhi of 1699. Baisakhi of 1699, it converted sikhs into sociopolitical identity, which made sikhs look different from others.

[N30S1NGH]

Well its somewhat related as Sikhism shared indic traditions and heritage .. to put in contrast- judaism and christianity are different dharam but some of traditions, heritage, concepts are shared by both.

Gurmat is anadi - listen to short clip by sant jagjit singh harkhowal Gurmat is anadi.mp3

Found a old excellent post from khalis regarding similiar topic from past.

Many of us look at these topics to literally and immaturely, we don't try and understand the superb psychology and stategy of Guru Gobind Singh bani and the writers and parcharaks of the puratan era (18th C).

How did the Khalsa panth keep getting populated and rejuvinated when it was being systematically removed from the face of the Earth by those who were threatened and in Raj?

Parcharaks drew in large numbers from the Hindu fold, by showing respect to the devtai but at the same time, showing their subservience to the Master of both Worlds - Guru Gobind Singh. Hindus are of many folds, if you take the most popular devtai (many of whose sakhiyan are actually very inspiring) and subtely enjoin/unite them under the hand of the tenth master, you open flood gates to a whole world of potential Khalsai.

Our semetic strategy of removing and insulting all non Sikh elements and proclaiming monopoly on God will never work if we want to grow the Panth and spread Sikhi.

The 'factual' element of these sakhiyan is of lesser importance, all that matters is the artth (underlying philosophy) which many of us sadly miss.

We should quit our phobias and make effort to understand more deeply the wisdom of old. You will find in many cases, it does not contradict Gurbani.

Guru Gobind Singh is said to have always carried a copy of Hanuman natak in his kamarkasa. If we bother to read the story of Hanuman, we may actually Be inspired by it and realise what it means to be a shargrid of the highest calibre - his love and devotion to his Guru/Parmatma, Sri Ramchandar was a masterclass in discipleship. We of course have are own traditions to look at and consider even more importantly like the majestic devotion of Bhai Lena to Guru Nanak Dev Ji, but that does not mean we cannot respect and also be inspired by others too.

Knowledge removes the need for low level insults and phobias of all kinds.

There cannot ever be any panthic ekta if all we do is ridicule the diversity of traditional beliefs, ithihas and traditions that exist. We don't have to agree, but at least 'try' and take something positive from them, and respect that other Guru Pyare hold those beliefs dear.

[luckysingh99]

ਸਤਿਜੁਗ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਵਾਸਦੇਵ ਵਵਾ ਵਿਸਨਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ।

Satijougi Satigur Vaasadayv Vavaa Visanaa Naamu Japaavai.

सतिजुगि सतिगुर वासदेव ववा विसना नामु जपावै ।

In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.

1 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੧

ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ।

Duaapari Satigur Haree Krisan Haahaa Hari Hari Naamu Japaavai.

दुआपरि सतिगुर हरी क्रिसन हाहा हरि हरि नामु जपावै ।

The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.

2 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੨

ਤ੍ਰੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ।

Taytay Satigur Raam Jee Raaraa Raam Japay Soukhu Paavai.

तेते सतिगुर राम जी रारा राम जपे सुखु पावै ।

In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness.

3 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੩

ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ*।

Kalijougi Naanak Gur Gobind Gagaa Gobind Naamu Alaavai.

कलिजुगि नानक गुर गोबिंद गगा गोबिंद नामु अलावै ।

In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.

4 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੪

ਚਾਰੇ ਜਾਗੇ ਚਹੁ ਜੁਗੀ ਪੰਚਾਇਣ ਵਿਚਿ ਜਾਇ ਸਮਾਵੈ।

Chaaray Jaagay Chahu Jougee Panchaain Vichi Jaai Samaavai.

चारे जागे चहु जुगी पंचाइण विचि जाइ समावै ।

The recitations o f all the four ages subsume in Panchayan i.e. in the soul of the common man.

5 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੫

ਚਾਰੋ ਅਛਰ ਇਕੁ ਕਰਿ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜਪੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਜਪਾਵੈ*।

Chaaro Achhar Iku Kari Vaahaguroo Japu Mantr Japaavai.

चारो अछर इकु करि वाहगुरू जपु मंत्र जपावै ।

When joining four letters Vahiguru is remembered,

6 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੬

ਜਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਫਿਰਿ ਤਹਾਂ ਸਮਾਵੈ ॥੪੯॥੧॥

Jahaa Tay Oupajiaa Dhiri Tahaa Samaavai ॥49॥1॥

जहा ते उपजिआ फिरि तहा समावै ॥४९॥१॥

The jiv merges again in its origin.

7 ਵਾਰਾਂ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ : ਵਾਰ ੧ ਪਉੜੀ ੪੯ ਪੰ. ੭

This is a VERY POOR application of Bhai Gurdas ji's vaar.

It does NOT signify that we have Gurmanter of ''waheguru' derived specifically from this !

The names of Vasudev, Hari, Gobind and Ram are used throughout gurbani and refer to the ONE GOD ALMIGHTY, the 'RAM'' is NOT Ramchandar !!!!

Wondrous lord- wah wah wah Guru i where it is derived from

[savinderpalsingh]

This is a VERY POOR application of Bhai Gurdas ji's vaar.

It does NOT signify that we have Gurmanter of ''waheguru' derived specifically from this !

The names of Vasudev, Hari, Gobind and Ram are used throughout gurbani and refer to the ONE GOD ALMIGHTY, the 'RAM'' is NOT Ramchandar !!!!

Wondrous lord- wah wah wah Guru i where it is derived from

would you explain why , people so quickly question bani :no:

makes me feel sad

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Kashtriya carried Kirpan, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib made every sikh Kshatriya thats the only way one should see Kirpan when a sikh carries. Thats why "Singh" is associated with every sikh.

Religion evolves from a sociopoliitical and have specific geographical location of its origin, so many things come from these factors.

Kesh was kept by Hindus till Mahabarat times, after that people started getting their hair cut and muslim cut their mustache and have their beard and sikh is "Sabat Soorat".

[savinderpalsingh]

Kashtriya carried Kirpan, Guru Gobind Singh Sahib made every sikh Kshatriya thats the only way one should see Kirpan when a sikh carries. Thats why "Singh" is associated with every sikh.

Religion evolves from a sociopoliitical and have specific geographical location of its origin, so many things come from these factors.

Kesh was kept by Hindus till Mahabarat times, after that people started getting their hair cut and muslim cut their mustache and have their beard and sikh is "Sabat Soorat".

Sri guru nanak dev ji explained the reason behind to people in assam , to keep hair was because

if they ever fall in hell due to wrong doing .

he would be able to recognise his sikhs and he would pull them up with thier kess

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

Sri guru nanak dev ji explained the reason behind to people in assam , to keep hair was because

if they ever fall in hell due to wrong doing .

he would be able to recognise his sikhs and he would pull them up with thier kess

your source of this reason :stupidme:

[savinderpalsingh]

your source of this reason :stupidme:

Sri nanak Prakash katha . you will have to listen to all of the katha well the reason you will find in first 20 audio files

it was katha by Giani Injerjeet Singh ji

http://www.gurmatveechar.com/audio.php?q=f&f=%2FKatha%2F02_Present_Day_Katha%2FSant_Giani_Inderjeet_Singh_(Raqbe_wale)

[luckysingh99]

Let's not divert this into a hair topic now.

We don't keep hair so that we can be pulled out of hell, because there is no hell. ALL the narak is here.

Whenever narak or hell is mentioned in bani, it is used extensively as a metaphor and one should look at the whole shabad to get the true idea !!

Sri guru nanak dev ji explained the reason behind to people in assam , to keep hair was because

if they ever fall in hell due to wrong doing .

he would be able to recognise his sikhs and he would pull them up with thier kess

Let's just clarify that in gurbani the references praising Ram are not ram chandar, Gobind,vishnu, hari,ram, ...etc...are all to the ONE akalpurakh, UNLESS, I repeat UNLESS, it is NOT a praise but a reference to some historical relationship or event, then it talks about ram-brahmin chander..and the rest of them.

This BRAHMANIZATION is where our youngsters are getting mixed up with sanatan sikhi and tat gurmat.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not anti hindu or anything, but you have to understand the essence of these mythological references is about the core messgae of a particular shabad. Even if a shabad may praise the actions of Hanuman, then the core message will still be something else not about praising.