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[JSinghnz]

Well said isingh. The true character of the most cowardly army of the world was truly exposed when Americans took out Osama bin Laden,

with orders to kill any paki soldiers if they dared to interfere in that operation.

[PakistaniPunjabi01]

General Musharraf ain't Sindhi. He was born in the Qureshi caste in Delhi and is a descendant of Prophet Muhammad. So his ethnic group compared to a Punjabi like you would be Mohajir.

Oh yeah. Thank You for being precise I said Sindhi in a sense that he was from Sindh Province. Ethnically, he wasn't a Sindhi. True that. But still it doesn't change the fact that he was a non-Punjabi..

Given that it was his ancestors and their Mughal allies who converted your Hindu ancestors why do you take pride in Islam, when Islam was a superpower converting your Hindu ancestors, who had the choice of convert or die?

Well, your ancestors were also either Hindu or Muslims..later they converted to Sikhism. How do we know that my ancestors were forced to convert to Islam? Over-whelming majority of Muslims in Punjab became Muslims due to Sufi Saints, and not because of any conversions.

Islam spread in India due to Sufis..not b/c of military power. Islam "arrived" in India mainly due to military conflicts..but it spread due to Sufis..

True it happens again and again when empires conquer others but you have an education so why do why still want to see the Arabs control the World from Mecca under the disguise of Islam.

Arabs can go to hell. I don't care about Arabs..nor do I like Saudi rulers etc.

If it wasn't for our holy places, Saudi Arabia would have been as irrelevant to Islamic World as Sri Lanka is...

Don't you realise that for every western girl that converts to Islam another hundred Muslim teenage boys are discovering porn and the internet and realising that they have no interest in Islam which was designed by Prophet Muhammad as a religion for the Arabs of 1400 years ago.

lol....how come watching porn relates to Islam? Its not like you watch porn for the first time and you go "O.K, F*ck Islam. I like porn better. I'm leaving the religion" hahaha...If that was the case, all religions would've became extinct by now.. lol..

You call yourself a Punjabi but you know that Punjabi language will be extinct in Pakistan soon with Hindustani language replacing it.

No, it won't.

Punjabi's core lies in Pakistan--not in india or indian punjab.

Pakistan has largest punjabi speaking population in the world..All the great poets, Sufi masters, writers, and scholars of Punjabi language were mainly Muslims.

Look at the map...

Pakistan is the original holder of Punjabi language and culture...and it will remain so in coming decades too..Inshallah.

Most Pakistani Punjabi's have been stripped of your original Hindu names and now your language will follow to make you slaves and clones of those who control the power structure of Islam.

There is no 'power structure' within Islam. It is no Catholic Church...

Would you let your daughter marry a Arain vegetable grower from Jalandhar if he happened to be Sikh? If the answer is no, what exactly is so wrong about Sikhs who believe in one God?

Depends where my daughter is and what is the situation. Why will I marry my daughter to a man living across the border? Yeah, if she is USA..then a different story...

Do you really believe that Islam can control the World

LMAO.

No.

This is what a Qureshi caste Pakisani thinks of Punjabi's like you as they know that the Jat, Rajput and Arain caste Punjabi's who control Pakistan's Army are all converts to Islam from Hinduism

So the text written in blue is not yours but this Qureshi caste Pakistani guy's? What is his name? or I'm missing something..Clarify what that Qureshi guy thinks and who is he though?

there are an awful lot of Punjabi Pakistani generals....191 in an army of 612,000....so there is a general for every 3,000 jawan.

Bullocks.....where is the source?

The other factor is that most of the Punjabi Pakistani generals are low caste Jat, Rajput and Arain Hindu converts to Islam...they haven't changed their centuries old Hindu habits.

Name changing and changing religion does not change race.....and unfortunately since the 1950's they have retained their low caste Hindu "natural" habits. Pursuing personal gain, and financial gain, and ego massaging way beyond their true capacity,

Islam lifted humans to equal level and dignity. It doesn't matter what anyone previously was.

Where were Arabs before Islam? After Islam, they became the global leaders of humanity..

What were Turks before Islam? Bunch of nomads in central asian plains? After Islam, they became the global super power of the world etc.

So there is nothing "genetic" in human beings. Islam doesn't believe in caste-system..Your above lines are racist and derogatory.

There generals command one of the toughest militaries on the face of the planet..they are as good as any other generals. Can they fight U.S? No. No one can stand against them. But that is not their task. Pakistan Military is geared to defend Pakistan against indian threat from the East..and it does a good job of doing it...

These Coolies never learn, but heap chaos and mayhem on Pakistan and its good people and then with a straight face blame it on Islamic fundies outfits which they run covertly, on neighbors such as India, Afghanistan and even Iran.

Pakistan military has its short-comings...just like all other militaries. Atleast it is not corrupt as indian military...haha...

These Coolies in the military kiss the gora , lick the gora , fawn and smile at the gora like little shy girls,

We aren't talking about indians here. Pakistanis aren't slaves of white-masters as indians are. Our so-called corrupt elite might be, but average Pakistani on the street isn't. While average indian will do anything to get "approved" by his/her gora master. Indians will defend Israelis against Palestinians, Americans against their actions in Afghanistan, Europeans against Chinese and so on. It shows how badly indians are arse-lickers of whites..they won't defend their own people (Brown, Asian)..but they'll defend their "masters" (White, Western). Even Chinese have observed this trend among indians (I've personally seen many chinese saying this)...

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Also, Pakistan Military is an ideological Islamic military at its core (not talking about generals)... Pakistan Military defeated the Soviet Union by conducting an Islamic Asymmetric war in Afghanistan and by supporting it from Pakistan (With the help of U.S and Saudis). Pakistani officers fought and died along with Jihadists in Afghan war....It was for Pakistani interests and for the interests of Islam globally. Communism was the last ideological threat to Islam remaining in this world...And after the fall of communism, Islam just swept through central Asia...6 new Muslim-majority states were formed after U.S.S.R fall and Mashallah, today, Islam is the majority religion of central Asia and a truly global religion present literally in every corner of the planet Mashallah....No doubt we have plethra of slave generals in Army...but to tarnish whole Pakistan Army with same brush is bad too...

So much for being the coolies of America, we screwed U.S.A in Afghanistan big time! As the war nears its end..its becoming clearer and clearer that Pakistani interests in Afghanistan will be protected and indians will find no space to maneuver much in Afghanistan..

Watch this documentary completely...Only an Islamic ideological state like Pakistan can trap and run circles around West like that..other countries to our East won't even have 'balls' to even think about it! They can't go against their "white" masters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSinK-dVrig

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[Mehtab Singh]

This is especially for you

[PakistaniPunjabi01]

This is especially for you

Yar, summerize please..

What is Hassan Nisar saying and how it relates to my previous post? Or atleast just tell me how it relates to my post?

Zaid Hamid and Hassan Nisar in same video? I already know the outcome :D

[Jonny101]

Watch this documentary completely...Only an Islamic ideological state like Pakistan can trap and run circles around West like that..other countries to our East won't even have 'balls' to even think about it! They can't go against their "white" masters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSinK-dVrig

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Credit where credit is due. This documentary proves how Pakistani ISI outfoxed the white man in his own game. It's not about Balls or being Islamic, rather the intelligence business is about being cunning and secretive. ISI has shown they are just as good as the best intelligence agencies of the west. I dont' know about how good RAW is, but if the Baloch insurgency and TTP is due to RAW's involvement as some Pakistanis claim, then ISI has some tough competition.

[N30S1NGH]

Pakistanipunjabi01, what you think of marvi mermon she started off as breath of fresh air in politics..but ended up flip flopping, she went totally opposite...i think over all imran khan is best politician so far.

[Mehtab Singh]

Zaid Hamid and Hassan Nisar in same video? I already know the outcome :D

Hahahaha!!! Bass fer!!! :D :D

Well it basically repeats what has been posted here by others, I only posted the video to show that there are intellectuals in Pakistan also (you did say Hassan Nisar was good) who have the same opinion about the history of Islam coming to the subcontinent. Watch it from where the bibi comes, she is a human rights activist, naam chete nai aunda ohna da hunn ki siga.

[Mehtab Singh]

Pakistanipunjabi01, what you think of marvi mermon she started off as breath of fresh air in politics..but ended up flip flopping, she went totally opposite...i think over all imran khan is best politician so far.

Oh you mean Marvi Sarmad, oho bindi vaali? She also had a football match with Mr. Ghazwa-E-Hind LOL!

[Jonny101]

Oh you mean Marvi Sarmad, oho bindi vaali? She also had a football match with Mr. Ghazwa-E-Hind LOL!

Since you mentioned it Mehtab Singh Jee, I wonder what is Pakistani Punjabi's view on Ghazwa e Hind? I have been hearing it a lot for the last 3 years or so. Many Pakistanis believe there will be a final and decisive war between Islam and Hinduism in which Islam will triumph. On the one side they say will be the combined Islamic forces of South Asia led by Pakistan and on the other side will be Hindu India. Many of the leading Islamic scholars of Pakistan believe in this.

[N30S1NGH]

Oh you mean Marvi Sarmad, oho bindi vaali? She also had a football match with Mr. Ghazwa-E-Hind LOL

No there is another marvi mermon..she got kanchi vargi zaban....you can tell she is chaalak by the looks..baut bandaie nuo topi papovaa tii pakistan chh..lol..perfect charitar character mentioned by dasam patsah.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-xQd_ww_jE