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I suppose it boils down to what type of person you want to be.

Everyones INTEPRETATION of bani is different you do not have the entire say so on what is and what isnt maryada etc.

Now although i believe that a marriage in front of guru ji should be between man and a woman that is my PERSONAL interpretation and if said gay sikh was to question me i would advice him of the reasons why i BELIEVE that this is the reason.

Sikhi is personal and for too long we have had a sant ji says this and sant ji intepreted this in his katha and thats what i believe we have become sheep to these "sants" or these more "learned" people and then we wonder why the youth leave sikhi in droves because they are forced out for asking questions. They barely know the basics because its so regimented now by the patronising people who run our gurdwara and committees.

Read bani intepret for yourself be happy and everyone else who says no this is wrong or this isnt the correct way of doing this (not just in this issue) let them bark as they will never affect your life! Daya, Nimrata and Pyare are just some of the qualities that the majority of posters seem to miss on this forum (discounting Questioner/Neosingh/Mehtab Singh who always seem to exhibit these virtues and as such are the posters on this forum who actually change peoples minds or in other words bring people to the light)

This drum is always beaten when a person wants to avoid Gurmat Veechar. Let's look into history and see if this "everyone interprets Gurbani differently and we can personalize Sikhi" really passes the test. Surely we have Sikh history that gives us concrete examples of what is described as personal Sikhi and what is described as Gurmat. I am going to pick Sakhis that are well know in the Sikh community.

Take the Sakhi of Bhai Kanhaiya ji. Singhs accused Bhai Kanhaiya ji of helping the enemy laying in the battlefield hurt by giving them water. Bhai Sahib's actions were reported to Satguru and Satguru called Bhai Sahib to his court to be judged. Satguru asked Bhai Sahib why are you helping the enemy that we fought against. Bhai Sahib explains that he did not see friend or foe laying on the dirt with wounds, but he saw Akal Purakh in each of them. After hearing this Satguru told the whole court that this is the true actions of Satguru's Sikh because he understood the teachings of Gurbani correctly.

Is the above response a personal interpretation of Gurbani that Bhai Sahib gave to Satguru? No, it was a Gurmat reponse that comes from Gurbani. Which side was expressing personal intrepretations of Sikhi? It was the Singhs that accused Bhai Sahib ji of helping the enemy. They could have given a whole lot of personal reasons and Satguru rejected every single one of them. Personalization of Sikhi was rejected along with personal intrepretations of Sikhi.

Take another Sakhi of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj's children and Bhai Lehna Ji. Satguru commanded many tasks to his two sons and Bhai Lehna ji. However, every time Satguru's two sons had a personal reason to say no, this is not logical. This does not fit into what my mind is thinking. Bhai Sahib did the opposite. Bhai Sahib having the teachings of Gurmat engraved on his forehead would get up without questioning or doubting and complete the task. Gurbani tells us for doubting and defying Satguru's orders the two sons are worse than manmukhs. They had their personal interpretations of what is Gurbani (what Satguru is ordering) saying. Satguru rejected their interpretations.

This personal Sikhi idea is a new concept made by urban Sikhs to follow the ego. Just for everyone's info, even before listening to Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji's Katha on the tuks which I presented, I understood what Satguru is saying. If people don't want to except Scholars on the topic of Gurbani, then they should curse Satguru for doing katha of Gurbani and then telling Baba Deep Singh ji and Bhai Mani Singh ji to continue the teaching of Katha of Gurbani and giving correct interpretations.

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Not necessarily a conspiracy; there might really be gays born into Sikh families who are terrfied of coming out... ...and before anyone tries to be clever, no, I'm not one of them, and this isn't a c

I don't believe that any person who slanders or thinks badly of another can be any further along the path of Sikhi than that person they are slandering. We are sat here arguing about how bad and wrong

This so-called 'gay Sikh', how much of a Sikh is he in the first place? Nowadays people think just being born into a supposedly Sikh (i.e. typical Panjabi) family automatically makes you a Sikh, but t

Sikhi is personal and for too long we have had a sant ji says this and sant ji intepreted this in his katha and thats what i believe we have become sheep to these "sants" or these more "learned" people and then we wonder why the youth leave sikhi in droves because they are forced out for asking questions. They barely know the basics because its so regimented now by the patronising people who run our gurdwara and committees.

Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa, Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji Khalsa picked Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa as Jathedar and he drove home the Dharam Yudh Morcha. Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa today we have learned Gurmukhs that are teaching proper pronunciation of Gurbani to countless youths all around the world.

You cannot even be the dust under Sant ji's feet. Sant ji went from village to village teaching sangat to only bow to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj as Guru. Sant ji discussed with Hindu Sadhus, Udhasis, Nirmale, among others and brought them to Gurmat; to Satguru's feet. Countless Sikhs took Amrit after listening to his Katha of Gurbani. Ever heard of Shaheed Jathedar Bhai Gurdev Singh Ji Kaunke? Sant ji through the blessing of Satguru transferred normal Sikhs into Saint Soldiers.

Sant ji brought a Brahmin to his knees who challenged Sant ji on doing Katha on just IK Onkar. The Katha went on for weeks and there was no end in sight. The Brahmin's ego was destroyed.

Before you run your mouth on Sant ji, go to your local university and close it down as you don't need learned invdividuals. Yet you hang your worldly degree proudly in a frame for all to see. This is how pathetic you are. Just because Satguru did not give Baba Deep Singh ji Khalsa a piece of paper certifying him does not mean we don't have a formal system to learn Gurbani. Again you really show how big of a imbecile you are.

And to add the icing to the imbecile cake. If we don't need to listen to Gurmukhs, then you can't call those who use Sikhi as a tool for terrorism bad. For their interpretation is just as correct as your stupidity. No benchmark means everything goes. So next time Sikhs are called terrorist because of 1985 air india bombing, you have to agree that was Sikhi.

I really enjoying showing how stupid you urban Sikhs are.

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Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa, Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji Khalsa picked Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa as Jathedar and he drove home the Dharam Yudh Morcha. Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa today we have learned Gurmukhs that are teaching proper pronunciation of Gurbani to countless youths all around the world.

You cannot even be the dust under Sant ji's feet. Sant ji went from village to village teaching sangat to only bow to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj as Guru. Sant ji discussed with Hindu Sadhus, Udhasis, Nirmale, among others and brought them to Gurmat; to Satguru's feet. Countless Sikhs took Amrit after listening to his Katha of Gurbani. Ever heard of Shaheed Jathedar Bhai Gurdev Singh Ji Kaunke? Sant ji through the blessing of Satguru transferred normal Sikhs into Saint Soldiers.

Sant ji brought a Brahmin to his knees who challenged Sant ji on doing Katha on just IK Onkar. The Katha went on for weeks and there was no end in sight. The Brahmin's ego was destroyed.

Before you run your mouth on Sant ji, go to your local university and close it down as you don't need learned invdividuals. Yet you hang your worldly degree proudly in a frame for all to see. This is how pathetic you are. Just because Satguru did not give Baba Deep Singh ji Khalsa a piece of paper certifying him does not mean we don't have a formal system to learn Gurbani. Again you really show how big of a imbecile you are.

And to add the icing to the imbecile cake. If we don't need to listen to Gurmukhs, then you can't call those who use Sikhi as a tool for terrorism bad. For their interpretation is just as correct as your stupidity. No benchmark means everything goes. So next time Sikhs are called terrorist because of 1985 air india bombing, you have to agree that was Sikhi.

I really enjoying showing how stupid you urban Sikhs are.

I recommend you watch a film called "The Believer". It is based on a true story of a Jewish guy who so hates Judaism that he becomes a Nazi - but by the end of the film, comes to terms with who he is and accepts his Jewish faith.

It may help you come to terms with your views on homosexuality.

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Why are you glorifying him by calling him an "urban Sikh"?

He's not an urban Sikh. He's a fool.

When I say urban Sikh I mean those people that Sant ji describes in this video. These urban Sikhs call Sant ji pendu and Sant ji shows these urban Sikhs their true colors.

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Thanks for sharing this video. Once thing to note and reflect on Sant Jee's bachans is that one's opinion is largely influenced by the media television they are exposed to. In the west where most of these homosexual supporting Sikhs are living, they are exposed from a very young age to tv shows which influenced them to be open minded about homosexual acts and think of it as being 'normal'. As one can see 1 or 2 here are either supportive of homosexuality or while many are here are half way there by saying we support them but we don't support gay Anand Karaj. Once a person is supportive of the homosexual act as being "okay", then it doesn't take a giant leap for them to also be okay with homosexuals having an Anand karaj. Once this perverted act is supported, that will open a whole can of worms to other perversian that we would rather not have. Sikhi is a moralistic way of life, you cannot practice every sin and perversion under the blue sky and say you are following Guru Jee's teachings.

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Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa, Sant Baba Kartar Singh ji Khalsa picked Sant Baba Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa as Jathedar and he drove home the Dharam Yudh Morcha. Because of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Khalsa today we have learned Gurmukhs that are teaching proper pronunciation of Gurbani to countless youths all around the world.

It seem for some reason you have taken my comment about random sants to mean these sants in particular and have taken my view that people should ask more questions then relying on sants for intepretation/translation of bani as offensive, this is a difference of opinion it makes absolutely no difference whether you believe my opinion to be right or your own!

You cannot even be the dust under Sant ji's feet. Sant ji went from village to village teaching sangat to only bow to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj as Guru. Sant ji discussed with Hindu Sadhus, Udhasis, Nirmale, among others and brought them to Gurmat; to Satguru's feet. Countless Sikhs took Amrit after listening to his Katha of Gurbani. Ever heard of Shaheed Jathedar Bhai Gurdev Singh Ji Kaunke? Sant ji through the blessing of Satguru transferred normal Sikhs into Saint Soldiers.

Again you seem to alude to Sant Jarnail singh someone who i have utmost respect for and again you seem to have a problem with me reading and listening to my own sikhi rather than yours

Sant ji brought a Brahmin to his knees who challenged Sant ji on doing Katha on just IK Onkar. The Katha went on for weeks and there was no end in sight. The Brahmin's ego was destroyed.

Before you run your mouth on Sant ji, go to your local university and close it down as you don't need learned invdividuals. Yet you hang your worldly degree proudly in a frame for all to see. This is how pathetic you are. Just because Satguru did not give Baba Deep Singh ji Khalsa a piece of paper certifying him does not mean we don't have a formal system to learn Gurbani. Again you really show how big of a imbecile you are.

And to add the icing to the imbecile cake. If we don't need to listen to Gurmukhs, then you can't call those who use Sikhi as a tool for terrorism bad. For their interpretation is just as correct as your stupidity. No benchmark means everything goes. So next time Sikhs are called terrorist because of 1985 air india bombing, you have to agree that was Sikhi.

I really enjoying showing how stupid you urban Sikhs are.

again you seem to be hurt by my comments which were not AIMED AT SANT JI but more at random "sants" and "baba". Please re read my statements if you really have a problem and if you feel that i have disrespected sant ji then you should do more than just shout abuse at me infact you should send me a PM and teach me a lesson lets see the soldier part of your saint soldier in action. Again how do you judge if someone is a gurmukh im all for listening to people who know more than us just that there are a lot of fake people in this world i would rather trust my own judgement. again i reitirate please send me a PM if you strictly want to engage in throwing out child like comments.

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i used to think that it war not good to do homosex but. Now i think it is ok. I think i have been got to by media and the govt rules. It is mor mor accepted. So we end ups acceptin and acceptin mor mor? Does anyone else feel this happened and now its ok. And also i met gay singh and he was cool.

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i used to think that it war not good to do homosex but. Now i think it is ok. I think i have been got to by media and the govt rules. It is mor mor accepted. So we end ups acceptin and acceptin mor mor? Does anyone else feel this happened and now its ok. And also i met gay singh and he was cool.

Lol never fails to get a smile

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Singhs need to not be homophobic! Gays are our brothers too!

Disagreement with homosexuality does not amount to being "homophobic". No matter how unpopular it may sound by today's media driven culture, but it must be said Gurmat does not agree with acts homosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, incest etc. Sexuality must only be practiced within the bounds of marriage between man and woman.

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Because you disagree with a man doesn't mean he is not your brother.

How do you his Bhagti is not greater than yours just because you've married a woman?

If you disagree with homosexuality then fine, but don't discriminate or prejudice them as that is equally not gurmat. Live and let live

I dont know what beastality, paedophilia have got to do with this thread ( you should start a separate thread if you want to discuss them)

Disagreement with homosexuality does not amount to being "homophobic". No matter how unpopular it may sound by today's media driven culture, but it must be said Gurmat does not agree with acts homosexuality, beastiality, pedophilia, incest etc. Sexuality must only be practiced within the bounds of marriage between man and woman.

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Because you disagree with a man doesn't mean he is not your brother.

How do you his Bhagti is not greater than yours just because you've married a woman?

If you disagree with homosexuality then fine, but don't discriminate or prejudice them as that is equally not gurmat. Live and let live

I dont know what beastality, paedophilia have got to do with this thread ( you should start a separate thread if you want to discuss them)

I never said he is not my brother. All of humanity is my brothers and sisters. But being brother and sister does not mean we should support a lifestyle which is against Sikh principles. Marriage in Sikhi can only happen between man and woman. Having sexual relations outside of the bond of marriage is a Kurahit for a Sikh. Standing up for Sikh principles does not amount to discrimination or phobia.

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