Urgent: Going On Holiday To Canada, Toronto

[LegalSingh]

As a Sikh, you would think country like Canada which a lot more Sikh friendly wouldn't attract so much hate from Sikhs.

What planet are you living in psingh ? Canada is the country where very recently Sikh youngsters were forbidden from playing football if they kept on being Sikh. That ruling was only overturned after a ruling from the British based...British controlled...International Football Association Board, from whom Fifa took instruction. Canada is the country where newspaper after newspaper and survey after survey shows that Sikhs are the most hated and disliked community in the whole of Canada. By what warped and upside process of reasoning does that lead you to conclude it as a 'sikh friendly country' ? The UK is the one country where the Sikhs, along with the Jews, are the only religions in the world that are officialy classed as seperate 'race' and not just a religion. Sikhs, therefore, enjoy far far more protection in law than christians, hindus and muslims.

UK is declining badly due to bad economy and racism (Muslims bullying Sikhs while White English forming racist groups to get rid of all brown skinned people).

You seem to have a very poor grasp of reality. Many, if not most of us, live in London. There are more dollars exchanging hands here than New York. There are more New York financial houses in London than there are New York. There are more international visitors to here than Paris. There is boom and opportunities here in the world's premier city not found anywhere else. For you to judge us all on the depressed industrail landscape of the midlands (birmingham etc) is for us to base our opinion of what Canada is like purely on the industrialy depressed landscape of Hamiltion, Ontario....or Halfax , Nova Scotia. The fact that you do does you no good. London Sikhs get on with muslims just as good as Canadian Sikhs get on with Canadian muslims. We are absolutely fine with each other. And, if you had been following some of the many muslim thrreads here, you would have noticed that in places such as west london and slough, it had been Sikhs that had been dishing out beatings to muslims. Like I said above, things are different in the midlands (birmingham etc) and the north for 2 reasons. Firstly because, unlike in London, most of the muslims belong to the criminal junglee mirpuri tribe. Secondly because, unlike in London, those muslims outnumber the sikhs by about 20 to one. But....I would like you to give one example (out of the thousand you imagine you have in your head) of when "muslims have bullied sikhs". When and where please ?

And then we're on to the most laughable of your statements, You live in a country where the right wing whites, and especially their media, hate Sikhs with a furious passion. And yet despite the many many threads here you still hadn't noticed how the UK Sikhs are in a very very unique and strange position in that the right wing absolutely love the Sikhs to death and constantly make public statements to the fact.

In case you hadn't noticed my friend, and you obviously hadn't, the reason there are so many threads on here about the 'edl' etc, is because here is a debate among us as to whether or not we should accept their constant words of love and friendship towards us. Please my friend...please invest in a dictionary and look up the words 'like' and 'hate'. You seem to be having great difficulty in distinguishing the two.

Examples? Just look all threads on this forum for proof of Muslim gangs grooming Sikh girls. You got to be blind not to see this being an issue.

Proof...you say ? :wow: The hate-filled ramblings of an obsessed bigot or two from an area where there might be a bit of a problem make it 'proof' that its happening all day every day to the whole of the UK does it ?

know plenty of UK Sikhs living in Toronto now, they have told me how surprise they are not to see caste based gurdwaras.

You're obviously not allowed out on your own very often because I know Canada very well and I see dozens of caste based gurdwaras there all the time in the few places I have visited. Here's just one example. There's plenty more : http://ramgarhiabc.com/

Not only that, but there were surprise to see a lot of "sardars"

You seem to be making things up at will now brother. The first things anyone that visits both Canada and the UK notices is how the dastar is purely the preserve of the old men in Canada. The UK is actually unique in that the dastar is more common among the young than it is with the old. Let us just put it this way : about 2 months ago Sikhs all over the world commemorated the anniversary of bluestar and called for Khalistan. Demonstrations and marches were called in both countries. In Canada, only 300 (mainly old men) bothered to turn out. In London, 80,000 Sikhs (mostly young and 3rd & 4th generation uk born) turned out in the streets.

unlike in UK where people there (at least in the media) don't recognize Sikhs and give special treatment to British muslims.

There realy is no reasoning with you. Its just not possible. As I said before, your media hates you with an obscene amount of passion. You know thats true. Sikhs in the UK are in the unbelievably amazing position of being given far more protection in law....i.e 'treatment' than muslims, hindus and jews as we are, by law, considered a distinct race.

Look. These arguments are extremely pointless. If there's one good thing to come out of it it is the fact that at least people are talking about Canada. Usually, nobody does.

[Singh559]

Legal, recently your posts make you seem like you're just posting for no reason. First off you're not even from Canada, secondly you don't sound like a Sikh with your recent posts. Bach ke reh lol nahi tan lohkan nu shak pehjana.

Thirdly Quebec isn't even considered Canada to most Canadians lol.

[LegalSingh]

Legal, recently your posts make you seem like you're just posting for no reason.

Every single one of my recent posts has been in reply to what others have directed towards me. I'm capable of retorting so I do. As it bugs you so much shoudn't you be telling your friends here to stop asking me questions ? I'd appreciate it if you would because I'm tired of having to answer all the time.

First off you're not even from Canada,

We have lived in Canada and then left Canada. My pooah lives in Canada. My thaya lives in Canada. My chacha lives in Canada. My mother in law, brother in law, sister in law and my wife's entire extended family live in Canada. We visit all the time and I live in England. Who, if not me, has qualified things to say on the matter ?

secondly you don't sound like a Sikh with your recent posts.

:wow:

Well there's a shock to the system . I'm intrigued. I'd really like to know. What do I sound like ? A Mongolian goat herder ? A Norwegian fisherman ? A Patagonian cowboy ?

Please explain to me since when has the 'sound of a sikh' been to espouse bigoted scaremongering views about muslims and islam ?

[Singh559]

A Sikh doesn't ignore the truth and become an apologist for ped groomers, even if they are of age. Sometimes if something is legal, it still doesn't make it right. I agree that fear mongering isn't right, but at the same time taran and a select few other brothers have been doing a good job of exposing the truth, not spreading irrational fear. Yes, of course our youth (both guys and girls) have a problem of being loose, but that doesn't mean you ignore some of the reasons for this. Some people are genuinely manipulated, the least you can do is feel for the family and the victim's pain and struggle. We all live in a society where it's easy to go astray from the right path, just because you may be on the right path it doesn't mean you should say "he or she deserves it". If you or I don't get mukti in this life who knows in our next life we may be put into a situation that we can't control and put in the same position as the victim just so we understand what their position is.

Also, why didn't you reply to my point that most Canadians don't even consider Quebec to be a part of Canada? I've barely been to Canada twice for a total of two weeks in my life and I know that Quebec are in their own little French ultra-conservative world. Now THIS is fear mongering and insensitive to associate the actions of Quebec and put it on all of Canada.

As N30paji would say, we aren't wahabis or talis who blame the victim because they were "loose" as you would say. Check yourself.

[luckysingh99]

Quebec is a little planet in it's own world !

On most legal documents and advertisements even, you get a disclaimer underneath that points out valid in ALL of Canada except Quebec !

Quebec has it's own requirements for immigration and settlement. However, you would be surprised to learn that a lot of French speaking black people from Haiti have been able to make home there just because they 'parler francais' ! :biggrin2:

[JasSinghKhalsa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48wm95fI_W8

There used to be a website, notcanada.com, which seems to be shut-down.

[PSingh13]

A Sikh doesn't ignore the truth and become an apologist for ped groomers, even if they are of age. Sometimes if something is legal, it still doesn't make it right. I agree that fear mongering isn't right, but at the same time taran and a select few other brothers have been doing a good job of exposing the truth, not spreading irrational fear. Yes, of course our youth (both guys and girls) have a problem of being loose, but that doesn't mean you ignore some of the reasons for this. Some people are genuinely manipulated, the least you can do is feel for the family and the victim's pain and struggle. We all live in a society where it's easy to go astray from the right path, just because you may be on the right path it doesn't mean you should say "he or she deserves it". If you or I don't get mukti in this life who knows in our next life we may be put into a situation that we can't control and put in the same position as the victim just so we understand what their position is.

Also, why didn't you reply to my point that most Canadians don't even consider Quebec to be a part of Canada? I've barely been to Canada twice for a total of two weeks in my life and I know that Quebec are in their own little French ultra-conservative world. Now THIS is fear mongering and insensitive to associate the actions of Quebec and put it on all of Canada.

As N30paji would say, we aren't wahabis or talis who blame the victim because they were "loose" as you would say. Check yourself.

Ignore Legal Singh who obviously got issues with Sikh Canadians.

FYI to legal Singh: Those caste based gurdwaras in Canada are mostly founded and supported by British Sikhs who moved here.

[ghettosikh]

all of the british sikhs who are saying bad things about canadian sikhs on how they r too white washed r lies. Hardly ne one here is white washed expect for girls and ppl who grew up in like the 80's most ppl r here have an accent in there english even tho they were born here and only speak punjabi when there at home or even with friends i know this cos me and my whole circle of friends who r all sikh/punajbi r like this and many others brought up in canada swell.

UK ppl ive met most not all have a white english accent and the apne shave beards still wear and its been acceptable for girls to drink. alot of uk sikhs try to be modern and intergrate but if u look at places in western caanda we live areas where u only see apne n our schools r 90 percent south asian.

[luckysingh99]

Read my previous post that explains the differences here compared to UK.

Remember that majority of Punjabis here are 2 generations behind.

I have not found or come across a sikh that is in my generation age group and is NOT whitewashed !

The kids born in 70's and 80's in Canada can hardly be seen within the Sikh community.

[Ranjeet01]

My observation is that generally in Canada, the community seems to be following extremes, either they are extremely westernised and give themselves Western names such as "Gary" and "Paul" or they are completely opposite in terms of being extremely traditional,even more so than Punjab. The very traditional side needs to be careful not to become like the Quebecers where they speak the French of 400 years ago and even people in France laugh at them. The extremely western side should remember that the Italian-Canadians and Chinese-Canadians who have lived in Canada for several generations still have pride and retain their language. I remember coming back on a flight from Vancouver and I met a chinese couple, both of them born and raised in Canada and spoke chinese with one another but told me how they found it hard to relate to recent Chinese immigrants to Canada. I

Eventually, the two sides must be meet in the middle and strike a balance.