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I guess some of you guys are saying that you guys are better Sikhs than shaheed Harjinder Singh ji Jinda, Dilawar Singh ji, Balwant Singh Rajowana, Depa harenwale, etc. As they were money.

Some will say if they were moneh why did they grow their kesh? Was it so that they could become better sikh? And if so then that means kesh is the difference maker.

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At the end of the day money are future singhs! and the kuom is in need of sevadars

if we start segregating and splitting people then we just end up cutting off our arm and foot - and we need all the help we can get !

just look at rajoana Tv guy - smashed it with his youtube channel - http://www.youtube.com/user/RajoanaTV

even the indian newspapers were blown away

NATION IN A STATE: PUNJAB
Looking back in anger

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/looking-back-in-anger/article4188787.ece

Efforts by sections of the Sikh community, especially in the diaspora, to revive interest in what they describe as unsettled injustices of the 1980s — but what the police say is a renewed campaign for Khalistan — are fast drawing in the youth
Harwinder Singh Mander is a bright eyed youth in his twenties, born and raised in England to Sikh parents. He studied law and runs Naujawani.com, a popular internet radio station and internet TV that broadcasts content for a global Sikh audience. He is a blogger too — on the topic of what he calls injustices against the Sikh community in India. His latest post asks Sikhs to sign an online petition to free Kulbir Singh Barapind and Daljit Singh Bittu, arrested by the Punjab police in September for allegedly reviving the outlawed Khalistan Zindabad Force.
He and his friends also support “IPledgeOrange” or “Kesri Lehar” (Orange, the colour of sacrifice, is also that of Sikhism’s pennant), another online campaign launched by the United States-based Sikhs for Justice that petitioned the British Parliament on Monday for a debate on the “atrocities on minorities in India.” The campaign seeks to free Balwant Singh Rajoana, on death row for engineering the bomb blast that killed the Punjab Chief Minister, Beant Singh, and 17 others in 1995.
“IPledgeOrange” also runs Rajoana TV, which features half-hour episodes in English focusing on events connected with the March turmoil in Punjab, when Rajoana’s scheduled execution was stalled following a Statewide protest. A young shorn Sikh boy with a British accent eulogises Rajoana and Jagtar Singh Hawara (also convicted for the same offence) and plays on notions of injustice, and denial of equality and freedom to the Sikhs.
Forget the images of saffron robed jathedars wearing long beards and kirpans uttering full throated cries of “Jo Bole So Nihal” that characterised the Khalistan campaign of the 1980s. These are educated, suave youngsters, most likely to be born and raised in the West. They talk of love, peace and humanity in the same breath that they talk of atrocities against Sikhs. Their heros are icons of the Khalistan movement such as Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale, Rajoana or Hawara.
Since February this year, when Sikhs across the world rose against the impending hanging of Rajoana, young Sikhs in the diaspora in particular have started what the police call a cyber war for Khalistan. The propaganda overdrive, through scores of web sites and social media platforms, is aimed at the young and impressionable, feeding them a diet of one-sided stories on the theme of injustice and the government’s failure to protect Sikh rights and interests.
New DGP
The appointment of Sumedh Singh Saini, a much feared police officer for his role in eliminating terrorism in Punjab, as the State director general of police in February coincided with the February stir against Rajoana, and provided much grist to the mill.
Sample this excerpt from a video devoted exclusively to Saini, on Rajoana TV. “Mr. Saini was drafted at that time for a reason; because he is a trained killer, with the blood of thousands of Sikhs on his hands.” Graphic pictures of a Sikh family allegedly slaughtered by Saini, appear in the video. The soft voice on the audio, intones: “This man is in charge of policing my State and my people. Can we expect any justice?”
Police officers admit that law enforcing agencies have so far been unequal in this unfolding arena. “It is vigorous and potent,” says a police officer.
But those behind the cyber propaganda are at pains to stress they are not extremists. “We do not want fighting or bloodshed. Khalistan means different things to different people,” Mr. Mandher told The Hindu in an emailed response, “whether they are in the West or in Punjab.”
Canadian PM’s statement
The Sikh diaspora’s efforts to fuel revival of interest in Sikh issues abroad paid off when Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said during a visit to India last month that advocating for Khalistan by the Sikh community is not a crime. Harper’s statement is plastered on most websites devoted to Sikh issues.
In March, when Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal visited the U.S. to attend a wedding, Sikhs For Justice (SFJ) ambushed him with a federal civil lawsuit alleging that he oversaw the torture of Sikhs in India. A court in Wisconsin issued summons against Badal on the SFJ’s complaint.
Gurpatwant Singh Pannun, who heads SFJ, is seeking to internationalise India’s failure to punish the perpetrators of the 1984 anti-Sikh riots, while handing out death sentences to the Sikhs who reacted in anger at those incidents.
Said Pannun, “This suit will send a strong message to political leaders that they are answerable to the international laws and the courts for their role in gross human rights violations.”
The Punjab government dismissed the radical’s move as a “cheap and desperate publicity stunt” by “marginalised elements” who had a violent communal agenda.
‘Unsettled resentment’
But voices within the Sikh community warn against dismissing the welling anger as the fulminations of a fringe group. “This unsettled resentment [over the 1984 riots] is manifesting itself in demands like opposition to the hanging of former terrorists or to have a memorial for Operation Bluestar.
It reinforces the sentiment that laws are only meant to be used against the Sikhs and not for their benefit,” said H.S. Phoolka, a Supreme Court advocate who has been fighting for justice to the 1984 victims.
Young Sikhs are increasingly drawing comparisons between the treatment meted out to them and the Shiv Sena.
“There have been at least three recorded shootings by the police of unarmed Sikh teenagers who have been peacefully protesting against the government. While in contrast, the “Shiv Sena Group,” which is an anti-minority, fascist, pro Hindu group, has been allowed, and in many situations, provided security protection by the paramilitary and police forces, while making anti-minority speeches and threats against the minority community,” says the Kesri Lehar petition.
All this is not to suggest that an uprising is even remotely on the cards. It is widely acknowledged that the people’s rejection of terrorism was the main reason that Punjab returned from the brink. The new calls to resolve Sikh issues use only democratic methods. Young educated Sikhs living abroad, are beginning to question, in democratic ways, if what happened in Punjab in the 1980s was justified after all. Their questions now are not so much about the old territorial or river waters issues but whether Sikhs have been discriminated against by India’s politico-legal system in the last two decades. What is worrying is that the voices are becoming insistent and even moderate Sikhs find it hard to fault their logic.
Keywords: Nation in a State, Punjab, Sikh, Khalistan Zindabad Force, Balwant Singh Rajoana
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Another thing i have noticed consistently that lot of sevas is done in gurdwaras be it langar, clean-vaccum carpet, mop, wash floors, tiolets is done by monae, senior amritdhari gursikhs where amritdhari youth sikhs just sit there in a ghetto segregated exclusive group and chit-chat. I have three mone freinds who said they don't feel welcome by amritdhari youths and their opnion does not feel welcome by amritdhari youths as they seem to be too rigid in their views or always on high horse. This is also one of main reason which has created more divisions.

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Another thing i have noticed consistently that lot of sevas is done in gurdwaras be it langar, clean-vaccum carpet, mop, wash floors, tiolets is done by monae, senior amritdhari gursikhs where amritdhari youth sikhs just sit there in a ghetto segregated exclusive group and chit-chat. I have three mone freinds who said they don't feel welcome by amritdhari youths and their opnion does not feel welcome by amritdhari youths as they seem to be too rigid in their views or always on high horse. This is also one of main reason which has created more divisions.

they can clean but are they equal? Can they talk or ask questions of sikhi or do katha can they get on stage and preach sikhi? can a moneh read an akhand paath?

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they can clean but are they equal? Can they talk or ask questions of sikhi or do katha can they get on stage and preach sikhi? can a moneh read an akhand paath?

Yes panth needs to do more for equality for mone while striking right balance between upholding maryada and having mones experience sikhi (kirtan/seva of maharaj etc).

Its very important sikhi does not get hijacked by right wing and equally not hijacked by left wing element, right balance needs to be striked as this might set a dangerous precedence where some mona'e- communist types/atheist types will hijack the equality and freedom and walk over maryada in gurdwaras. I purposed in the past, instead of having all amritdhari in kirtan seva , having mixture of amritdharis and mona in the kirtan seva, instead of having all amritdharis doing seva of maharaj, having mixture of monee and amritdhari do maharaj di seva together so there is no segregation nor there is no abuse/hijacking by left wing mindset.

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