Communal Riots Break Out In North India

[Hindustani]

The muslims may have messed with the wrong people because Jaats or Jatts (whatever you want to call them) are known to hold grudges. We have not seen the end of this. The latest news is that the imam of the mosque where another girl was gangraped during the clashes was shot dead, and a bus full of madrassa students was waylaid and looted.

Yes, the original anger was not over the killing of the two boys which happened on August 27, 2013 but the refusal of the police to file the FIR. One police officer did promise an FIR to the Jaat community but he was immediately transfered the next day under orders from Azam Khan, DP. Now, Mr. Azam Khan has been transferred for not doing his duty...

The extent of the sexual devience against non-muslim women is manifested in various examples including the grooming issue out of England.

[lsingh]

The muslims may have messed with the wrong people because Jaats or Jatts (whatever you want to call them) are known to hold grudges. We have not seen the end of this. The latest news is that the imam of the mosque where another girl was gangraped during the clashes was shot dead, and a bus full of madrassa students was waylaid and looted.

Yes, the original anger was not over the killing of the two boys which happened on August 27, 2013 but the refusal of the police to file the FIR. One police officer did promise an FIR to the Jaat community but he was immediately transfered the next day under orders from Azam Khan, DP. Now, Mr. Azam Khan has been transferred for not doing his duty...

The extent of the sexual devience against non-muslim women is manifested in various examples including the grooming issue out of England.

Yeah these brave Jaats massacred thousand of Sikhs during 1984, Hond Chillar in Harayana is a reminder. What people have missed was that the Hindu masses once again mobilised and the Police helped in killing innocent minorities , the TV showed old men and children having been stabbed, they could hardly been involved. You may not like Muslims, but the people doing the killing don't like Sikhs either. Remember just a few weeks ago Sikhs were attacked by the Police and a mob lead by Politicians. With elections coming up expect more of this.

[khaljee]

Yeah these brave Jaats massacred thousand of Sikhs during 1984, Hond Chillar in Harayana is a reminder. What people have missed was that the Hindu masses once again mobilised and the Police helped in killing innocent minorities , the TV showed old men and children having been stabbed, they could hardly been involved. You may not like Muslims, but the people doing the killing don't like Sikhs either. Remember just a few weeks ago Sikhs were attacked by the Police and a mob lead by Politicians. With elections coming up expect more of this.

Considering the rape of Sikh girls being groomed in UK, I tend to take the side of anyone who defends their community against Islam. Whether it is Serbian Milosevic or Israeli military or Jats or Buddhists (Myanmar). ..

[acsap]

I have to agree with Isingh. These are the same jaats who killed thousands of innocent Sikhs, and they also raped many Sikh women before they killed them. I am not sure how any Sikh can take their side, and believe me, I am no fan of Muslims either in this case.

[Jonny101]

Yeah these brave Jaats massacred thousand of Sikhs during 1984, Hond Chillar in Harayana is a reminder. What people have missed was that the Hindu masses once again mobilised and the Police helped in killing innocent minorities , the TV showed old men and children having been stabbed, they could hardly been involved. You may not like Muslims, but the people doing the killing don't like Sikhs either. Remember just a few weeks ago Sikhs were attacked by the Police and a mob lead by Politicians. With elections coming up expect more of this.

Brother, think a little rationally instead of thinking "an enemy of an enemy is a friend". This whole riot started when a boy harassed a young girl who was accompanied by her brother. The brother drops off his sister at home and gets his brother(or cousin) and they give a thrashing to that pervert. Up until this moment this was not communal. But then the Muslims of the area turned this situation into a communal one when they all got together and killed those two brothers for defending their sister's honour. When the Jaats found out about this, the held a Mahapanchayat as they have done for hundreds of years in that area to discuss situations facing their community. When the members attending the Panchayat were returning home they were attacked and killed by Muslims! so again Muslims further made this situation more communal by doing this. The Jaats of the area then gathered and attack the Muslims who up until then were the ones inflicted all the violence against the Jaats. The Jaats had just started that the army and police came in prevented the Jaats from fully taking this riot to a larger scale.

From a neutral perspective here the Jaats are not the ones who are at fault so I dont know how you can compare this to anti Sikh riots of 84. India has the highest population of Muslims in South Asia and in India UP/Bihar area has the largest Muslim population in India. Sooner of later Hindus and Muslims will clash hard. But whenever the $hyt hits the fan, Sikhs should not be used by either side in their violence and just remain neutral as we did in the 3rd battle of Panipat when Hindus and Muslims of South Asia clashed and weakened each other. From there who knows, maybe we can regain our Raaj.

[GPS]

What i read is that the boy had been constantly harassing the girl.Brother of girl had advised him to desist from this.

But the devil never stopped and that resulted in his killing.

Muslim mob lynched both boys although Muslim boy died in Hospital.

I remember an incident wherein a distant relative (a young man) in Bombay suburban area was killed by

Muslims of a ghetto. He was in love with a muslim girl and girl was reciprocating.This was against their religion.

Hence they killed the boy.

And do not bring massacre of sikhs in this.Massacre of sikhs was done under patronship of Congress party.

Even low class Muslims also participated in this.

[jashb]

Good thing is for the first time the army was sent in on time before hundreds or even thousands would die.

I humbly beg to differ on THIS, very specific point.

The rapidly swift deployment of the army (it has never been deployed so quickly before!!!), by the central government, was just about as hypocritical as it gets.

The Indian army was sent in by the Terrorist Indian National Congress party ruled central government of India, because Muslim lives were at stake.

Muslims are well known to be the breadbasket of Congress votes in India (the traditional vote bank of the Terrorist Indian National Congress party has always been BMD; brahmin-muslim-dalit).

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True, this communal riot should not be compared to 84 anti Sikh riots.

It is true that there is no comparison with the 1984 Anti-Sikh massive state-organised Genocide.

Evidently.

Because, had these communal riots actually been organised pogroms against the Sikhs;

* the army would have been stationed firmly in their barracks for three full days

* hardened criminal thugs would have been released from prison specifically to murder as many Sikhs as possible in 72 hours

* the police would have been warned not to interfere, instructed not to file any FIR's, but instead, told to remove legitimately held weapons and oil from the Sikhs and give them to the murderers

* then the army would have been deployed in an altogethor manner; to assist with the cover-up process.

Spot the difference.

[SikhKosh]

Wonder why they are accused of the same thing everywhere. Rape, grooming and conversion of vulnerable non Muslim girls.

Where Sangh spins narratives of victimhood, belligerence
VHP leader sees conspiracy to ‘expand Muslim population, using Hindu girls as machines’

‘Love Jehad’ is the new technique, says a grave-looking Chandra Mohan Sharma. But it is a ‘difficult art’, picked only after ‘madrasa-conducted training.’

“First, good-looking Muslim men are identified. They are given neutral names like Sonu and Raju.” These boys, Mr. Sharma says, are then given jeans, t-shirts, mobiles, and bikes and taught to behave. “They stand in front of schools and colleges and woo young Hindu girls. The first few times, our girls snub them.” But then, he says resignedly, they fall for it. “This jehad is about pyar se fasana – entrapment through love.”

The bespectacled joint general-secretary of the Meerut division of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), ‘which covers all of western U.P.’, he points out with a wee bit of pride, is wearing a grey safari-suit. We are sitting in a small office next to the Khatauli railway station, off the main highway, in Muzaffarnagar district late on Tuesday afternoon.

BEING THE PROTECTOR

“Look at police records. Out of 100 girls who elope, 95 are Hindus who go with Muslim men. It is rare that Hindu boys get Muslim girls.” This, the VHP leader says conclusively, is proof of a conspiracy to ‘expand Muslim population, using Hindu girls as machines. We need to protect the honour of our daughters, bahu aur beti’.

Ignore this as meaningless rant at your own peril, for Mr. Sharma was at the “mahapanchayat” on Saturday. The protection of ‘our women’ was the common theme in many speeches, as video recordings of the event, shown to The Hindu, reveal. There is now recognition that this event added to the agitational mood, added to the insecurity, and eventually led to clashes and violence.

...

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/where-sangh-spins-narratives-of-victimhood-belligerence/article5113769.ece?homepage=true

[Jonny101]

I met a Bangali Indian Hindu once. He told me about how Muslims in Masjids of Bengal are encouraged to carry out love Jihad against Hindu women. Muslims know power is in demographics, so they are also encouraged to have large families. Very soon places like Bengal, Kerala and large parts of UP/Bihar/MP will have pockets of Muslim majority areas because they have conservative values, have large families while the non Muslims are having small families, see nothing morally/ethically wrong in having abortions and living a liberal lifestyle, their daughters who grow up with these liberal values eventually become victims of love Jihad.

Muslims in India are getting bolder and more militant by the day. They are no longer a weak 7% of the population as they were after partition. They are now more than 16% of India population which is no longer a small matter. They can very well act as a 5th column in case of a South Asian wide clash between Hindus vs Muslims. In case something like this happens Sikhs need to decide how they play their cards.

[Hindustani]

Yeah these brave Jaats massacred thousand of Sikhs during 1984, Hond Chillar in Harayana is a reminder. What people have missed was that the Hindu masses once again mobilised and the Police helped in killing innocent minorities , the TV showed old men and children having been stabbed, they could hardly been involved. You may not like Muslims, but the people doing the killing don't like Sikhs either. Remember just a few weeks ago Sikhs were attacked by the Police and a mob lead by Politicians. With elections coming up expect more of this.

The Jaats were prevented from major retailation because the army and police disarmed them.

Wonder why they are accused of the same thing everywhere. Rape, grooming and conversion of vulnerable non Muslim girls.

Where Sangh spins narratives of victimhood, belligerence

VHP leader sees conspiracy to ‘expand Muslim population, using Hindu girls as machines’

‘Love Jehad’ is the new technique, says a grave-looking Chandra Mohan Sharma. But it is a ‘difficult art’, picked only after ‘madrasa-conducted training.’

“First, good-looking Muslim men are identified. They are given neutral names like Sonu and Raju.” These boys, Mr. Sharma says, are then given jeans, t-shirts, mobiles, and bikes and taught to behave. “They stand in front of schools and colleges and woo young Hindu girls. The first few times, our girls snub them.” But then, he says resignedly, they fall for it. “This jehad is about pyar se fasana – entrapment through love.”

The bespectacled joint general-secretary of the Meerut division of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP), ‘which covers all of western U.P.’, he points out with a wee bit of pride, is wearing a grey safari-suit. We are sitting in a small office next to the Khatauli railway station, off the main highway, in Muzaffarnagar district late on Tuesday afternoon.

BEING THE PROTECTOR

“Look at police records. Out of 100 girls who elope, 95 are Hindus who go with Muslim men. It is rare that Hindu boys get Muslim girls.” This, the VHP leader says conclusively, is proof of a conspiracy to ‘expand Muslim population, using Hindu girls as machines. We need to protect the honour of our daughters, bahu aur beti’.

Ignore this as meaningless rant at your own peril, for Mr. Sharma was at the “mahapanchayat” on Saturday. The protection of ‘our women’ was the common theme in many speeches, as video recordings of the event, shown to The Hindu, reveal. There is now recognition that this event added to the agitational mood, added to the insecurity, and eventually led to clashes and violence.

...

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/where-sangh-spins-narratives-of-victimhood-belligerence/article5113769.ece?homepage=true

Not entirely true. The number of hindu muslim marriages in india is almost equal (Hindu Man-Muslim women)

Brother, think a little rationally instead of thinking "an enemy of an enemy is a friend". This whole riot started when a boy harassed a young girl who was accompanied by her brother. The brother drops off his sister at home and gets his brother(or cousin) and they give a thrashing to that pervert. Up until this moment this was not communal. But then the Muslims of the area turned this situation into a communal one when they all got together and killed those two brothers for defending their sister's honour. When the Jaats found out about this, the held a Mahapanchayat as they have done for hundreds of years in that area to discuss situations facing their community. When the members attending the Panchayat were returning home they were attacked and killed by Muslims! so again Muslims further made this situation more communal by doing this. The Jaats of the area then gathered and attack the Muslims who up until then were the ones inflicted all the violence against the Jaats. The Jaats had just started that the army and police came in prevented the Jaats from fully taking this riot to a larger scale.

From a neutral perspective here the Jaats are not the ones who are at fault so I dont know how you can compare this to anti Sikh riots of 84. India has the highest population of Muslims in South Asia and in India UP/Bihar area has the largest Muslim population in India. Sooner of later Hindus and Muslims will clash hard. But whenever the $hyt hits the fan, Sikhs should not be used by either side in their violence and just remain neutral as we did in the 3rd battle of Panipat when Hindus and Muslims of South Asia clashed and weakened each other. From there who knows, maybe we can regain our Raaj.

The sikhs and jaats did not support the Marathas in this war because of personal differences. But at the end of the war and seeing the sacrifices made both groups helped the Marathas. The Jaats under Suraj Mal gave shelter, food and money to maratha soldiers while the Sikhs looted abdalis caravans to free maratha women. What this means is that even though all sides did not agree and had differences they understood the magnitude and importance of the struggle.

I met a Bangali Indian Hindu once. He told me about how Muslims in Masjids of Bengal are encouraged to carry out love Jihad against Hindu women. Muslims know power is in demographics, so they are also encouraged to have large families. Very soon places like Bengal, Kerala and large parts of UP/Bihar/MP will have pockets of Muslim majority areas because they have conservative values, have large families while the non Muslims are having small families, see nothing morally/ethically wrong in having abortions and living a liberal lifestyle, their daughters who grow up with these liberal values eventually become victims of love Jihad.

Muslims in India are getting bolder and more militant by the day. They are no longer a weak 7% of the population as they were after partition. They are now more than 16% of India population which is no longer a small matter. They can very well act as a 5th column in case of a South Asian wide clash between Hindus vs Muslims. In case something like this happens Sikhs need to decide how they play their cards.

Yes, the situation in Bengal is bad. I have a friend who tells me that its not safe for non-muslim women to even ride the bus with moslems grabbing, groping, leering and even exposing their genitilia. The moslems are getting bolder and bolder but I dont think anybody else has sat around either. The Hindutva brigade is also actively gathering armies of men and women, getting training from former army officers, and the inside story nobody wants to talk about is that the Jewish lobby in Israel is hooking them up with state of the art weaponary all stored in massive warehouses across the country.

Even more devious is that Islamists and the Hindutva brigade often work hand in hand. Sacrificing the common moslem and hindu for political power. You kill some of ours and we will kill some of yours. Unbelievable but true! The stories that I have heard will astonish you. These two communities have worked hand in hand for 1000 years to subjugate...