Sikhs In Gulf Countries Ask Akal Takht To Clarify Stand On Halal Meat

[singhbj singh 1,380]

SIKHS IN GULF COUNTRIES ASK AKAL TAKHT TO CLARIFY STAND ON HALAL MEAT

Dubai, Sept 27, 2013-

Gurinder Kaur Kandhari, vice-chairperson of Guru Nanak Darbar Gurdwara in Dubai has asked the Akal Takht, SGPC and DSGMC to clarify their stand on Sikhs having halal meat in the Gulf countries.

Kandhari, accompanied by SP Singh, general manager of the gurdwara, said the Sikhs living in the Gulf countries had to consume halal meat as the jhatka meat was not permitted there.

"According to the Sikh religion, we are allowed to have only jhatka meat. So we seek your guidance on how to go about it. Besides, if we continue to have halal meat, do we cease to be Sikhs," asked Kandhari and Singh.

Manpreet Randhawa *HT Media Ltd.

Source - http://www.yespunjab.com/sikh/issues/item/30833-sikhs-in-gulf-countries-ask-akal-takht-to-clarify-stand-on-halal-meat

[SikhKosh 302]

Why only 'gulf countries'? Majority of the meat we get in European cities (and UK) is Halal aswell.

[savinderpalsingh 701]

WaheguruJiKaKhala!!WaheguruJiKiFateh!!

its in rehatname

why cant those people stop eating meat simply

if not they can jhatka at thier own place

why question rehatnama?

[WaljinderSingh 798]

Why only 'gulf countries'? Majority of the meat we get in European cities (and UK) is Halal aswell.

Spoke to someone who was in the business of meat-selling. Without any interest in the topic he started saying Singhs like you with Bana came to my shop and took meat. He said he would sell the same meat with a Halal sticker on it to a Muslim and the same without it to the Sikhs...

I would say dont eat it because you can survive but if the taste is really killing you - dont put Guru's bana on!

[Singh559 2,643]

Yes they cease to be Sikhs. If they want to make up their own new age religion, then that's their choice.

[Sikhistan 252]

They are missionary naastic type anyway...

[VanHelsingh 1,982]

Yes they cease to be Sikhs. If they want to make up their own new age religion, then that's their choice.

They'll be asking for "clarification" on Amrit next, lol.

[Sikhistan 252]

^^ Veerji, they are already doing that (i believe that somewhere in BC they did amrit sanchar without Bania that are from DG).

[savinderpalsingh 701]

they can also get hallal meat do path and ardas and do kirpan bhet and that meat is acceptable as well

used to be done by Akali faujan and sikh raj faujan in previous times

same thing done by panj payaare when patshaahi 10vi was travelling as uch da peer.

they did it on hukam of mere kalgiyaan wale paatshaah

[Singh559 2,643]

They'll be asking for "clarification" on Amrit next, lol.

Exactly lol.

The halal thing is big IMO because they recite the kalam and slaughter it in a ritual manner. Just stick to the clear cut hukam from Akaat Takhat and there is no prob.

[BritishSingh 96]

Sikhs are not allowed to eat meat period. Rehat Maryada may say not to eat Kutha or meat killed in a ritualistic way (halal or kosher), BUT IT DOESN'T SAY GO AND KILL AN ANIMAL IN A JHATKA WAY (where in the Maryada is the word Jhatka written?). Meat is only permitted in the extreme circumstance where there is no other food source available. One does not have the time to kill in a ritualistic way when they are starving. This issue should not affect Sikhs.

jeea badhahu su dharam kar thaapahu adharam kehahu kath bhaaee |

You kill living beings, and call it a righteous action. Tell me, brother, what would you call an unrighteous action?

aapas ko munivar kar thaapahu kaa ko kehahu kasaaee |2|

You call yourself the most excellent sage; then who would you call a butcher? ||2|| (Bhagat Kabeer Ji, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ang 1103)

[luckysingh99 1,195]

The problem is that people don't seem to understand the full extent of what jhatka really means.

- If you do the jhatka yourself or it is done in your presence by oher person,then that = Jhatka

However, If you go to shop or store and purchase meat that is already prepared/packed from elsewhere, then that can NEVER be Jhatka,even if it is claimed to be Non-halal.

This is my understanding,mabe a nihang can clarify or correct me !

[Mahakaal96 318]

All the historical Sikh texts such as Sri Gur Sobha by Kavi Saina Singh (1741), Gur Rattan Mala by Sahib Singh (1734), Gurbilas by Kuir Singh (1751), Bansavlinama by Kesar Singh (1769), Mehima Prakash by Saroop Singh (1776), Guru Kian Sakhian by Saroop Singh Kaushish (1790), Shaheed Bilas by Seva Singh (1803), Singh Sagar by Bir Singh Bal (1827), Sri Guru Pracheen Panth Prakash by Rattan Singh Bhangu (1841), Sri Gurpratap Suraj Prakash by Kavi Santokh Singh (1843), Gurmat Nirannya by Pandit Tara Singh Narotam (1877), and Naveen Panth Prakash by Giani Gian Singh (1878), as well as the puratan rehit namas all have references to jhatka being accepted within the Sikh code of conduct (Rehit Maryada), or the clear ban on eating flesh that has been killed according to the Muslim ritual of Halal, also known as Kutha within the Sikh community.

[BritishSingh 96]

All the historical Sikh texts such as Sri Gur Sobha by Kavi Saina Singh (1741), Gur Rattan Mala by Sahib Singh (1734), Gurbilas by Kuir Singh (1751), Bansavlinama by Kesar Singh (1769), Mehima Prakash by Saroop Singh (1776), Guru Kian Sakhian by Saroop Singh Kaushish (1790), Shaheed Bilas by Seva Singh (1803), Singh Sagar by Bir Singh Bal (1827), Sri Guru Pracheen Panth Prakash by Rattan Singh Bhangu (1841), Sri Gurpratap Suraj Prakash by Kavi Santokh Singh (1843), Gurmat Nirannya by Pandit Tara Singh Narotam (1877), and Naveen Panth Prakash by Giani Gian Singh (1878), as well as the puratan rehit namas all have references to jhatka being accepted within the Sikh code of conduct (Rehit Maryada), or the clear ban on eating flesh that has been killed according to the Muslim ritual of Halal, also known as Kutha within the Sikh community.

I am unsure where they got the idea that jhatka meat is ok because Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not authorise the consumption of meat (jhatka or halal). The only time meat would be allowed is when there is no other food source available, therefore the consumption of meat would be to save a life and not for the pleasure of the tongue. People read individual lines of Gurbani and come up with the wrong conclusion. The whole sabad must be understood.

[Cisco_Singh 564]

Meat topics are not allowed on forum so expect this thread to be locked by mods soon,,,Akal Takht has already cleared this issue...There is a Hukamnama issued clearly stating that Jhatka meat is permitted see below:

Final Ruling from Akal Takht

The Akal Takht represents the final authority on controversial issues concerning the Sikh Panth, in this regard the issue of meat eating has been settled. Hukamnama issued by Akal Takht Jathedar Sandhu Singh Bhaura dated February 15th 1980 that Amritdhari Sikhs can eat meat as long as it is jhatka meat and that eating meat does not go against the code of conduct, Kurehit, of the Sikhs. Thus a Sikh cannot be excommunicated for eating meat.