Singh And Kaur As Surename

[JSinghnz]

Veerji by that logic a new borne child has no right to be named Singh or Kaur ? ........

Once in a while shouldnt we relax our strict definitions to allow for a greater sense of belonging ?

There is nothing to, "Once in a while shouldnt we relax our strict definitions ",, it is a fact given stated in the SIKH REHAT MARYADA

on how we name our new borne children and they get Snghs and as Kaurs as their last names.

What is so complicated in this fact that you are finding so difficult to fathom?

[Malwai]

People who are advocating using castist last names - here are some facts

• None of the singh sooramy in recent insurgency against evil indian government used last names - Maochal, jathedar Babbar , Jathedar Keonke , gurjant singh budhsinghwala ....et al

None??? That's simply not true, a quick list of a few:

Shaheed Major Baldev Singh Ghuman

Shaheed Bhupinder Singh Kooner

Shaheed Sukhwinder Singh Sangha

Shaheed Harjeet Singh Dhillon

Shaheed Dr. Gurnam Singh Buttar

Shaheed Balbir Singh Khaira

Shaheed Satpal Singh Dhillon

Shaheed Jagjit Singh Gill

Shaheed Baljinder Singh Sekhon

Shaheed Harmindar Singh Grewal

Shaheed Meharban Singh Bhuttar

Shaheed Pargat Singh Samra

Most Singhs used the names of their villages as is quite common by eminent personalities from rural villages, but that doesn't mean they discarded their ancestry.

[Mehtab Singh]

None??? That's simply not true, a quick list of a few:

Shaheed Major Baldev Singh Ghuman

Shaheed Bhupinder Singh Kooner

Shaheed Sukhwinder Singh Sangha

Shaheed Harjeet Singh Dhillon

Shaheed Dr. Gurnam Singh Buttar

Shaheed Balbir Singh Khaira

Most Singhs used the names of their villages as is quite common by eminent personalities from rural villages, but that doesn't mean they discarded their ancestry.

How do we know it was people who used these names as such and not the Singhs themselves?

And which Guru Sahibaan ever used surname?

[JSinghnz]

None??? That's simply not true, a quick list of a few:

Shaheed Major Baldev Singh Ghuman

Shaheed Bhupinder Singh Kooner

Shaheed Sukhwinder Singh Sangha

Shaheed Harjeet Singh Dhillon

Shaheed Dr. Gurnam Singh Buttar

Shaheed Balbir Singh Khaira

Most Singhs used the names of their villages as is quite common by eminent personalities from rural villages, but that doesn't mean they discarded their ancestry.

Another example of your backwardness and unfortunately there are so many of your kind today.

[Cisco_Singh]

Funny how you can't actually answer the questions posed to you, is your only defense to call people backwards ? I still haven't got an answer to how Guru Gobind Singh Ji, became Guru Gobind Singh Ji from Gobind Rai or why there were no Sikh Singh or Kaur prior to Amrit Sanchar of April 13th 1699. Why aren't the first 9 Gurus also Singh's ??

[BarinderSingh]

How do we know it was people who used these names as such and not the Singhs themselves?

And which Guru Sahibaan ever used surname?

Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib ji. Rai is a last name.

Sri Guru Gobind Rai

Shaheed Jaswant Singh Khalra. Known only by last name of Khalra.

Bhagat Dhanna JATT

Guru's Bani tells which lineage the Gurus are from.

Nothing wrong with knowning last names and keeping them entact. It is the ignorance which needs to be corrected.

[Mehtab Singh]

Bloodlines have no place in Sikhi. Prithi Chand (Baba Prithi Chand) was the son of Sahib Sri Guru Ram Das Sahib Jee. Ram Rai (Baba Ram Rai) was the son of Sahib Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib Jee. We know very well what Sikh itihaas says about them.

On the other hand Pandit Lal Chand Peshauria became Shaheed Bhai Lal Singh (Chamkaur Sahib). Pandit Kirpa Ram Dutt and His brother Sanmukh Das Dutt became Shaheed Bhai Kirpa Singh and Shaheed Bhai Sanmukh Singh (Chamkaur Sahib). Syed Baig was the brother of Bibi Naseera who was Pir Budhu Shah jees wife. He also became a Sikh and a Shaheed.

Devon Saggers writes to us from Canada.

The Psychology Behind The Reason Why Some Non-Sikhs Converted To Sikhism And Joined The Khalistani Movement

A potentially fruitful area of enquiry would have been to probe further the aspect of Punjabi Hindu presence amongst the Sikh militants which Puri et al. rightly call 'interesting' but do not follow up. This is an aspect of Punjab militancy which remains hugely understudied. There is some interesting information on Roshan Lal Bairagi, the first known Punjabi Hindu turned Sikh 'militant', provided by the left-wing magazine Link: "Bairagis are a Hindu Brahmin sect. This particular Hindu sect has closest links with Sikhism. They are generally poor. Some villages in Amritsar district have one or more Bairagi families each. Traditionally, they earn their living by doing daily labour occasionally, begging and performing religious ceremonies, including in Sikh families."2 Some of the other Punjabi Hindus whose names were reported in the media for having joined the ranks of Sikh militants were Pardeep Kumar (Sher Singh Sher after baptism), Rakesh Kumar (new Sikh name Ranjit Singh Pappu, killed 1992), Balwant Rai (Gurdit Singh Gullu killed 1992), Ashok Kumar Billa, Ramesh Lal (Kabul Singh), Vikas Pandit (killed), Vishnu Dutt (killed) and his brother Prem Kumar (Panthjit Singh), Sarwan Kumar (Palwinder Singh, killed) and his brother Ashok Kumar (Sukhwinder Singh, killed), K C Sharma (killed), Sushil Kumar (killed), Sham Sunder Shastri (Ranjit Singh Bittu, killed 1992), Bhai Des Raj Desa Salem Tabri (killed 1992), Tarsem Raj ('escaped' police custody 1992) and Ram Sarup Pandit (Surjit Singh killed 1992).

It is difficult to say much regarding some Punjabi Hindus' turn towards Sikh militancy on the basis of the limited information available of these individuals. Had the authors done in-depth case studies of the two Punjabi Hindus in their sample, that might have yielded some refreshing information on the question of Punjabi Hindu participation in the Sikh militant movement. If we place this aspect into the larger context of Hindu-Sikh relations in Punjab, we can move closer to solving this apparent paradox. An overwhelming majority of members of the Punjabi Hindu community have genuine and deep reverence for the Sikh Gurus and the gurdwaras, especially the Golden Temple. Similarly it will be difficult to find a Sikh who does not have deep religious respect for the Hindu Gods and the temples. Despite differences in some religious practices/beliefs, the Punjabi Hindus and the Sikhs share a common universe of feelings. They understand and empathise with each others' collective 'structure of sentiments' (to borrow Raymond Williams' term

Shared Sorrows

Though the media did not adequately report it, a large number of Punjabi Hindus were as emotionally injured at the destruction caused by the army action at the Golden Temple as were the Sikhs. It is not unreasonable to argue that many young Punjabi Hindus, especially in the rural areas where they are more imbued with the Sikh ethos than the urban Hindus, shared their Sikh friends' sense of anger and revenge against the 'Delhi Durbar' for the destruction of the Akal Takhat and other acts of sacrilege. To the Punjabi youth, the Sikh militants' actions of armed attacks at targets belonging to the 'Delhi Durbar' seemed an act of retrieval of self-dignity against the humiliation inflicted by 'Indira's Delhi'. The act of some Punjabi Hindus joining the ranks of Sikh militants was an act of identifying with the Sikh militants' bravery and courage - the values admired and emulated by Punjabi youth.

A case regarding a Nepal Hindu who became a Sikh and joined the Babbar Khalsa

Regarding Balbir Singh, the SSP said that he was a Nepalese who had converted to Sikhism some years back and was arrested by the police in 1996. It was Balbir who helped Jagtar Tara and Devi Singh cross over into Nepal after their escape from Burail jail in 2004, he added.

A case regarding a Nepal Hindu who became a Sikh and joined the Khalsa Zindabad Force

Khuram Masih alias Manjit Singh alias Kala alias Akaal, a Christian-turned-Sikh and a close associate of Neeta, was shot dead by the police during an encounter at village Dablehar in the RS Pura Sector of Jammu on December 28, 2000. Reportedly a hit-man for Neeta, Khuram Masih was involved in at least 20 explosions in Jammu, Punjab and New Delhi.

N.B. Mr. Devon Saggers is an Anglo-Saxon Canadian who is a member of the Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) and is deeply interested in Sikhism. He keeps us informed about the Sikh independence movement and has now done some research into non-Sikhs who converted to Sikhism in the hope of getting the Sikhs justice after the evil Operation Bluestar in which the Hindu state resorted to vandalism of the holiest Sikh shrine and then perpetrated the genocide of the Sikh race. Mr. Saggers writes to us of those non-Sikhs who embraced Sikhism and fought in the ranks of the valiant Sikh militants and subsequently sought martyrdom. : Webmaster

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None of these Shaheed Kharkoo Singhs from Hindu backgrounds had a surname disclosing their castes. Once again, bloodlines have no place in Sikhi

[JSinghnz]

Funny how you can't actually answer the questions posed to you, is your only defense to call people backwards ? I still haven't got an answer to how Guru Gobind Singh Ji, became Guru Gobind Singh Ji from Gobind Rai or why there were no Sikh Singh or Kaur prior to Amrit Sanchar of April 13th 1699. Why aren't the first 9 Gurus also Singh's ??

Ridiculous you cannot read and understand simple English about naming of Sikhs.

It is not your fault as you are living in your own world of funny theories and logics which are so incredulous.

[Mehtab Singh]

Sri Guru Har Rai Sahib ji. Rai is a last name.

Sri Guru Gobind Rai

Shaheed Jaswant Singh Khalra. Known only by last name of Khalra.

Bhagat Dhanna JATT

Guru's Bani tells which lineage the Gurus are from.

Nothing wrong with knowning last names and keeping them entact. It is the ignorance which needs to be corrected.

From 4th Guru onwards it was the Sodhi parivaar, not Rai. Yes, no harm knowing your background, but it has zero place besides information in Sikhi and this has been repeated over and over again throughout Gurbani.

[S1ngh]

When i see such issues bringing up again and again, it is always meant to be against jatts, believe me or not that is the main reason of caste talks here and there and the reason is because of stupid fake culture created by society/signers etc. Jatts in punjab are now nothing but a naive people who are living in a fake 'bubble' created by society. If they were what society shows them to be then they won't be stuck in debt, unparta and so on.

According to real caste issue of India, jatts are certainly not on the top list. So we first need to learn what the real caste fight our gurus fought. Jatts are on the third spot and it was because of sikhi that all were treated much better than 500+ years ago. Our gurus fought to bring zero difference between 1 and 4.

1. Brahmin (Religous Pandits - sharma etc)

2. Khatri - (business class - chawla, sodhi, bedi, chadha, suri etc..)

3. Vaaish - (worker/fighter class - gill, sandhu, sidhu etc..)

4. Shoodar - (chooray, chamakar etc)

I use my last name as singh only but my brother choose to use our family name. But then again i wear my turban and my brother doesn't. So, now to me having him as mona is bigger thing to worry about rather than the last name he use. So, in our society we have other bigger issues to tackle before we waste our energy on senseless issues like this.