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Sat Sangat Ji, I had a question regarding using Shastar for training.

I train with Shastar regurlarly, and on one occasion one of my friends came over while I was training.

I happened to be training with my Sri Sahib/Kirpan that day and when my friend saw me he said that I shouldn't be taking my Kirpaan out of it's case like that because apparently it wants khoon(blood) when you take it out and taking it out for any other reason than bhog is beadbi.

I tried telling him that I was only using it to train and that I never start without an Ardas and asking Guru ji for permission but he said I should use a different one other than my kakaar. The probelm is, I need to use my specific Kirpaan because it is the one that is always with me, so if I had to ever take it out for any combat situation (Which I hope never happens) I want to be fully functional and efficeient with my specific Kirpaan.

So my question is: Is it beadbi to take out your kirpan for training, and also, does it really want blood when you take it out.

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''It wants khoon'' I find at a tad disturbing. It's not ritualistic, but we live in reality. There is no indication of this khoon thing other than the Brahmic thought which if you'd studied Dhan Guru Nanak Nirankaar Ji eradicated and forbade.

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The khoon part is true, Guru Hargobind always had to Kirpans, one Miri and the other Piri. In one battle, his Miri sword broke, and he decided to fight with his hands and not the sword of Piri. But, understand that shastars are not toys, and if you wish to train with a Kirpan: please train with another one than what your Kakkar is. Would you play with your Keshas,Kangha, Kachera, or Kara? I recommend you buy some of these,(not my shop) http://www.budk.com/mobile/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=category2883

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The khoon part is true, Guru Hargobind always had to Kirpans, one Miri and the other Piri. In one battle, his Miri sword broke, and he decided to fight with his hands and not the sword of Piri. But, understand that shastars are not toys, and if you wish to train with a Kirpan: please train with another one than what your Kakkar is. Would you play with your Keshas,Kangha, Kachera, or Kara? I recommend you buy some of these,(not my shop) http://www.budk.com/mobile/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=category2883

Proof? Link? source? Can't just concoct things up. Need evidence.

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It's complete nonsense whoever said don't train with shastar. You will never become proficient in correct usage and unilisation of shastar unless you train with the actual shastars you intend to use. Using substitutes is not the same.

Every shastar is different in terms of material, weight, balance,construction etc. You need to be inimately comfortable with the actual shastar you carry this will only come with training with that shastar.

As long as there is correct respect of shastar there is no issue with training with the shastar you carry.

go and ask any martial artist who trains with edged weapons and bladed weapons, there is no real substitute to training with the actual weapons you intend to use. Yes if your skill level is not proficient to use live blades then use training aids instead.

Find me a reference from a reputable puratan historical text that says that weapons should not be removed from their sheaths for training .. Im willing to bet no such references exist in suraj prakash, panth praksh, Dasam granth or sarbloh granth.

This fairy tale was probably made up by a new age "hippy Sikh"...

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It's complete nonsense whoever said don't train with shastar. You will never become proficient in correct usage and unilisation of shastar unless you train with the actual shastars you intend to use. Using substitutes is not the same.

Every shastar is different in terms of material, weight, balance,construction etc. You need to be inimately comfortable with the actual shastar you carry this will only come with training with that shastar.

As long as there is correct respect of shastar there is no issue with training with the shastar you carry.

go and ask any martial artist who trains with edged weapons and bladed weapons, there is no real substitute to training with the actual weapons you intend to use. Yes if your skill level is not proficient to use live blades then use training aids instead.

Find me a reference from a reputable puratan historical text that says that weapons should not be removed from their sheaths for training .. Im willing to bet no such references exist in suraj prakash, panth praksh, Dasam granth or sarbloh granth.

This fairy tale was probably made up by a new age "hippy Sikh"...

When Guru Gobind Singh Ji in 1699 created Khand Di Pahul, he said that his sword needed blood, his blade got a bit bloodier each time and finally when the Kirpan was full with blood, he created Khand Di Pahul di Amrit. Also he brought the Punj Pyare back to life(resurectiom). Also if someone wants to train with shastars, they should most likely get a gun because it's more practical and can fire from a far distance, but I don't know the situation in other countries,(I live in America)
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The khoon part is true, Guru Hargobind always had to Kirpans, one Miri and the other Piri. In one battle, his Miri sword broke, and he decided to fight with his hands and not the sword of Piri. But, understand that shastars are not toys, and if you wish to train with a Kirpan: please train with another one than what your Kakkar is. Would you play with your Keshas,Kangha, Kachera, or Kara? I recommend you buy some of these,(not my shop) http://www.budk.com/mobile/custserv/custserv.jsp?pageName=category2883

just the fact that you consider training with a kirpan "playing with your kakkars" demonstrates that you have absolutely no knowledge of martial arts training. Since when did training become playing? Please don't spread your fantasy world nonsense if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure there are some World of Warcraft forums you could post on instead.

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just the fact that you consider training with a kirpan "playing with your kakkars" demonstrates that you have absolutely no knowledge of martial arts training. Since when did training become playing? Please don't spread your fantasy world nonsense if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure there are some World of Warcraft forums you could post on instead.

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just the fact that you consider training with a kirpan "playing with your kakkars" demonstrates that you have absolutely no knowledge of martial arts training. Since when did training become playing? Please don't spread your fantasy world nonsense if you have no idea what you're talking about. I'm sure there are some World of Warcraft forums you could post on instead.

I will admit that calling it "playing" was not the best term, I apologize. But did I personally do Nindak of you or anyone else? There is a respectful way to state your opinion rather than being an "internet warrior", I was just stating a fact, I personally believe the Khalsa should train with all the weapons in the world, but let's say your Kirpan for some reason falls to the floor,(it's no longer on you, so technically you would have to be forgiven for that). I also approve of not dropping the Kangha on the floor.
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It's complete nonsense whoever said don't train with shastar. You will never become proficient in correct usage and unilisation of shastar unless you train with the actual shastars you intend to use. Using substitutes is not the same.

Every shastar is different in terms of material, weight, balance,construction etc. You need to be inimately comfortable with the actual shastar you carry this will only come with training with that shastar.

As long as there is correct respect of shastar there is no issue with training with the shastar you carry.

go and ask any martial artist who trains with edged weapons and bladed weapons, there is no real substitute to training with the actual weapons you intend to use. Yes if your skill level is not proficient to use live blades then use training aids instead.

Find me a reference from a reputable puratan historical text that says that weapons should not be removed from their sheaths for training .. Im willing to bet no such references exist in suraj prakash, panth praksh, Dasam granth or sarbloh granth.

This fairy tale was probably made up by a new age "hippy Sikh"...

Have you ever seen Singhs training with their ACTUAL Siri Sahibs? I have not. What else do you need to see. He can train with a similar one. Nothing wrong with training.

To the OP if you're unsure then ask 5 pyare

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