3Ho Mocks With Non Sikh Panj Pyaare

[TuhadaDaas 90]

idiots

[Singhstah 282]

It is insanity and an insult to call a random selection of 5 people panj pyare. True panj pyare take on the form of Guroo Sahib and are in fact collectively sitting on the Gaddi of the eternal Satguroo for the time that they are assembled as the Panj. This is seen only and only as tyaar bar tyaar khalse(I.e resembling Guroo Sahib in spiritual inner state (kamayee), lifestyle (rehat) and appearance as much as possible. Frankly this is disgusting and those who have taken part in such an activity are tankhayiha as far as I am concerned. Had this taken place in India, the organisers would have been summoned to pesh at Sri Akal Takht Sahib by now.

Sure they may have wanted to have an interfaith event which is fine, but to say that they have gone too far would be an understatement.

It is also very ignorant to say that now that a ceremony has taken place their journey has ended. Guroo Sahib has very clearly taught us that on death the soul simply leaves the body and moves on. Guroo Sahib writes in Gurbani that let alone cremation, it doesn't make a difference if the body is thrown in water or eaten by dogs!

[S4NGH 743]

Surely theyre not serious? Maybe theyre using the term metaphorically or with sarcasm. They cant be serious. Cmon.

[superkaur 386]

3HO is a military intelligence asset of the freemason ideological american government. These fake sikhs are often part of the capitalist american military industrial complex dressed up in liberal care free hippy garbs, making vast amounts of wealth through business contracts.

If you research 1980s and how they were in punjab yet did not aid the Sikhs in their struggle against the Indian state all will become apparant how agents within 3HO did recce of Sikh fighters, important institutions and general political goings on in punjab which was aided by the CIA via pakistan against the russian soviet and UK thatcher govt allied Indian government and armed forces.

Notice how no so called 3HO or "white" american sikh gave their life up for Sikhi or fought for Sikhism in 1980s even though some were in the region at the times of this dark chapter in our history. Many of these 3HO lot were in the US military and were vietnam war veterans the least they could have done was provide military training for Sikh resistance fighters... we need to ask ourselves as a kaum ...how comes converts to Islam are ever willing to die for Islam and muslim causes but we end up with the 3HO fake Sikh types who have anti-sikh hidden agenda's and paymasters.

[luckysingh99 1,186]

3HO is a military intelligence asset of the freemason ideological american government. These fake sikhs are often part of the capitalist american military industrial complex dressed up in liberal care free hippy garbs, making vast amounts of wealth through business contracts.

If you research 1980s and how they were in punjab yet did not aid the Sikhs in their struggle against the Indian state all will become apparant how agents within 3HO did recce of Sikh fighters, important institutions and general political goings on in punjab which was aided by the CIA via pakistan against the russian soviet and UK thatcher govt allied Indian government and armed forces.

Notice how no so called 3HO or "white" american sikh gave their life up for Sikhi or fought for Sikhism in 1980s even though some were in the region at the times of this dark chapter in our history. Many of these 3HO lot were in the US military and were vietnam war veterans the least they could have done was provide military training for Sikh resistance fighters... we need to ask ourselves as a kaum ...how comes converts to Islam are ever willing to die for Islam and muslim causes but we end up with the 3HO fake Sikh types who have anti-sikh hidden agenda's and paymasters.

:omg: ....oh my god......goodness gracious me ..!! :omg:

[superkaur 386]

:omg: ....oh my god......goodness gracious me ..!! :omg:

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[jasvendrasingh 52]

We are missing the point , what is impropriety in this all act? In our faith panj pyare are gathered on what circumstances? What I gather from my studies so far is - A- for amrit sanchar and B- to consider a matter of religious and immidiate importance . I do not think the situation on this case warranted so .Second panj pyare are always tyar bar tyar( Amritdhari and with full sudhayi) which is not in this case. Hence the local singhs should collect full info with evidence and report the incident to Akal Takhat. As there had been impropriety on many counts

[luckysingh99 1,186]

We are missing the point , what is impropriety in this all act?

The point is.......there is no panj without presence of Guru roop granth sahb...

[ms514 423]

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

The Akaal Takht Jathedar was just there. Everyone knows what is going on there, there are books and folks exposing them daily, but when you have the money and the connections, things get ignored quite handily. Half of the Panth is still enamored by the fact that the Western folks have adopted Sikhism and don't know if the other things going on there.

The fact that their "Sikh Dharma Manual" - aka. Rehat Maryada for the Western Sikhs - actually prescribes Yoga; bhangra and giddha being performed by members of their community including Chardi-Kalaa Jatha; twisting Gurbani to make Yogi mantars as confirmed by attendees of the Solstice camps (this supposedly riled some of the Gursikhs that attended the camp; violation of their own Sikh Dharma Manual, which explicitly instructs that the Punj Pyare doing Amrit Sanchar seva should have eyes on the Amrit baataa and a hand on the Amrit baataa and Khanda on the other or both on the batta - instead it is very common for the sevadaars to be using a Gutka Sahib or smartphone to read Bani off of, violating the eyes and hands clause of their own crafted Maryada; having innocent attendees of the camp dancing - some of which was body to body - while Gurbani is played as "background music"; being in Bana and hair loose and dancing at the camps, to mention a very small number of things.

Until the Sikh Panth at large wakes up to their misdeeds, compiles the evidence and puts pressure on the Akaal Takht Sahib, nothing will happen. Don't think anyone at the SGPC/Akaal Takht Sahib will be doing anything on their own.

There are good Sikhs present there as well (some of who do not see eye to eye with the above and other manmat practices), but as an organization, they are misrepresenting, slandering and outright violating many Sikh principles. It is sad, as they are doing Amrit parchar and introducing Sikhi to the world and are effective in starting communities in countries where no mainstream Sikh organization is making inroads (South America, China, etc.). I am firmly of the belief that in some way, this will introduce Sikhi to every nation and corner of the world - but when these folks will awaken to the true representation of the faith and have to interact with other Sikhs, I foresee some trouble. It is not unusual to see the 3HO crowd continue to pull on the sympathy "we get victimized by the Punjabi Sikhs" theme - I call nonsense. The majority of those Western Sikhs living IN the West are something that most Sikhs are already familiar with and automatically give more respect to than a fellow Punjabi Sikh. It's time to have them join, participate and act like the rest of the Sikh Panth and stop with the insular cultish nonsense. And if the comments of victimization are for Indians - well, ANY Gursikh going to India in any sort of Bana is stared at, regardless of color or ethnicity. They have a very large presence and the de facto reference site for Sikhism on the internet - Sikhnet. They also control other websites that are de facto websites - like Sikhiwiki - and can twist and bend Sikhi to their views (like saying Dancing is in line with Gurmat).

At some point, either 3HO will have to separate itself from the Sikh Dharma and clearly delineate the difference between Yogi-ism and Sikhism or make a decision where they lie. It is not a question of being new to the faith - they have been around since the 60s, had interaction with multiple Gursikh jathebandis in India (Taksal, AKJ) and cannot claim that they don't know what Sikhi is (some behave as if the Punjabis are substandard Sikhs and the real Sikhi is in the Western Sikhs - this rather haughty stance is misplaced to say the least - I am saying this with firsthand experience - again, some are very good Gursikhs - others are brainwashed to "Yogi Bhajan is Supreme" mentality).

I truly pray and hope they come into line with mainstream Sikhi and the members of 3HO who pursue Sikhi have an awakening as to what Sikhi says and doesn't say.

[luckysingh99 1,186]

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