Jathedhar Nandgarh Being Oppossed By Badal

[Jonny101 4,380]

Coming back to the the main question is why is this sudden push happening now for the Bikrami calendar? The RSS have said they will ditch Badal if he does not promote their plans in Punjab. Why are the Sant Samaj silent on all other Sikh issues apart from the calendar?

RSS have nothing to do with Bikrami. I have asked you previously, Please show me a statement by RSS saying they support Bikrami. And do not forget that the same Badal had previously implemented Purewal's calender without taking the whole Panth in confidence. This resulted in disunity where Sikhs have begun celebrating Sikh holidays on two different days. this calendar has caused disunity in Panth not Unity. It's time the Panth throw this calendar in the dust bin of history where it belongs.

[jkvlondon 5,650]

*Sigh* as expected you didn't even watch Col Nishan's videos where he shows the technical flaws of Purewal calendar.

Stop comparing apples with oranges. You still don't understand. You are measuring Bikrami using Solar calendar. That is why you are confused on this matter. You are comparing two different things. Pick a holiday then either use Bikrami or Purewal's calendar, don't use both together. No date skips or occurs twice in Bikrami calendar. Poh Sudi Saptami which is Guru Gobind Singh Jee's avtar dihara, occurs once every year in Bikrami.

That is not a problem. Panth will come together and make necessary adjustments. This happened in 1964.

Bhai If the Gurus have no objection to this and used Bikrami just the way it is then why do you have so much takleef on this matter? And at least this is not that big of a problem as missionaries and their supporters discarding something that is used by the Gurus in Bani. If Bikrami is so wrong, then that means Baramaha Bani and other Bani where Bikrami is used, in Dasam Bani, Bhai Gurdas Jee's bani are all "wrong" by this warped way of thinking.

The missionaries and Kala Afghanist lobby is the one who are pushing this calendar. They organize conferences for it's implementation. Purewal also attends their conferences. Just read their site Singh Sabha Canada where they boast the Purewal's calender is being used to discredit Dasam Bani. And Dasam Bani is not used by anti Sikh forces like RSS because Dasam Bani is the most critical of Hindu Dharm.

Veer ji ,

RSS will not openly show their vested interest in derailing Dasam Bani ...of course they would support the Nanakshahi calendar being pushed by these guys ...because they are also interested in stopping General Sangat's sharda in Dasam Bani as it is the current activity and aim of these missionary guys . I remember watching the youtube video of Purewal introducing Nanakshahi calendar to sangat he was claiming the exact opposite of what his calendar has achieved ...He was claiming the scenario with doubled and missing diwases was going to happen with Bikrami that's why he created the Purewal calender (I refuse to call it Nanakshahi as it has broken with Sikh Itihaas)

I too like Col. Nishan tried contacting him by email ...still waiting for a reply now about three months ...and that was to ask if there was an app to calculate the calendar ...strange that the creator doesn't care to correct or produce something that will be relied on by Sikh world wide...that indicates a level of malicious indifference which would make ANY person think twice about trusting him and his creation.

[Jonny101 4,380]

Veer ji ,

RSS will not openly show their vested interest in derailing Dasam Bani ...of course they would support the Nanakshahi calendar being pushed by these guys ...because they are also interested in stopping General Sangat's sharda in Dasam Bani as it is the current activity and aim of these missionary guys . I remember watching the youtube video of Purewal introducing Nanakshahi calendar to sangat he was claiming the exact opposite of what his calendar has achieved ...He was claiming the scenario with doubled and missing diwases was going to happen with Bikrami that's why he created the Purewal calender (I refuse to call it Nanakshahi as it has broken with Sikh Itihaas)

I too like Col. Nishan tried contacting him by email ...still waiting for a reply now about three months ...and that was to ask if there was an app to calculate the calendar ...strange that the creator doesn't care to correct or produce something that will be relied on by Sikh world wide...that indicates a level of malicious indifference which would make ANY person think twice about trusting him and his creation.

Expert like Col Nishan who have the technical knowledge in calendar science say so many dates like Guru Gobind Singh Jee's Avtar Dihara are all calculated wrong in Purewal calender. He had talked to Purewal about this before Badal had implemented this flawed calendar on the Panth, Purewal's answer was, once it is implemented then I will make the corrections. I mean just think about it, he named it Nanakshahi, yet the base year of the calender is 1999 instead of 1469 when Sri Guru Nanak Dev Jee was born.

[13Mirch 1,174]

Calendars are becoming Hindus? What next? We cannot breathe the same air as Hindus because it might dilute our idiosyncracy?

[InderjitS 1,243]

BY SIKH24 EDITORS / IN PUNJAB, WORLD /

JANUARY 2, 2015

Sikh Sangat

AMRITSAR SAHIB, Punjab (January 2, 2015)—Led by noted Sikh preacher Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa, more than five dozens leading religious, social and political Sikh organizations and large numbers of Sikh sangat assembled at Sri Akal Takht Sahib to take up the sensitive issues of implementing original Nanakshahi Calender, termination of section 25 (2) (b) of the Indian Constitution and the release of Sikh political prisoners permanently with its appointed Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh.

Representatives of Sikh Sangat submitting memorandum to Akal Takht Sahib Jathedar Giani Gurbachan Singh

The unprecedented gathering was mainly attended by Panthik Talmel Committee patron Giani Kewal Singh, Akhand Kirtani Jatha UK chief Bhai Bakhshish Singh, Akhand Kirtani Jatha (International) chief Giani Baldev Singh, ‘Sikh Fulwari’ monthly editor Harjit Singh, ‘Missionary Sedhan’ monthly editor Avtar Singh, Bhai Kuldeep Singh Live Sikh World, Bhai Satnam Singh Chandar, Sikh preacher, Bhai Baljit Singh Burj Naklian, Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) Senior vice president and former MP Bhai Dhian Singh Mand, general secretary Jaskaran Singh Kahan Singh Wala, Prof. Mohinder Pal Singh, Media incharge Iqbal Singh Tiwana, Jarnail Singh Sakhira, Harbir Singh Sandhu, Akali Dal (Panch Pardhani) leaders Baba Hardeep Singh Mehraj, Baldev Singh Sirsa, Sikh preacher Sarabjit Singh Dhunda, Sikh scholar Dr. Sukhpreet Singh Udoke, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Satkar Committee Haryana chief Bhai Sukhwinder Singh, Damdami Taksal (Ajnala) chief Bhai Amrik Singh Ajanala, Akhand Kirtani Jatha leader Bhai RP Singh, ‘Akal Purakh Ki Fauj’ director Advocate Jaswinder Singh, Principal Baljinder Singh, Baba Anoop Singh Akal Bunga etc.

It is pertinent to mention that the entire Sikh sangat were listening to Panthik speakers with keen concentration even without any mic. All speakers including Bhai Panthpreet Singh jointly said the Punjab legislative assembly should pass a resolution to get section 25 (2) (b) of the India Constitution amended. In respect of release of Sikh political prisoners,

Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa addressing Sikh Sangat

they appealed Akal Takht Jathedar to lead the nation so that a mass movement could be launched in order to ensure the release of Sikh prisoners languishing in various jails of India. Sanagat gave their approval to these points by raising the slogan of ‘Sat Sri Akal’. The speakers also showed concern about the health condition of Bhai Gurbaksh Signh Khalsa which is deteriorating very critically.

Sikhs in large numbers were seen displaying a banner in support of the orginal Nanakshahi Calender.

The Sikh assembly also said that the so called Saints or cultists who did not follow the Panth Parvanit Sikh Rehat Maryada (Sikh code of conduct accepted by community) of Akal Takht Sahib had no right to oppose the Nanakshahi Calender nor to appeal to Akal Takht.

A memorandum in this regard was submitted to Giani Gurbachan Singh. After getting the memorandum, Akal Takht

Sikh Leaders

Jathedar discussed the matter with representatives of the Sikh sangat for an hour.

Talking to media persons, Bhai Panthpreet Singh said they had made the Jathedar aware of the aspirations of the Sikh sangat. He said the Jathedar has asked all the Sikh bodies to come to the fore for termination of section 25 (2) (b). As far as the Nanakshahi calendar, the Jathedar reportedly said that the final decision would be taken in the meeting of Panj Singh Sahiban (highest presidium of Sikhs), but he assured that the decision would be taken as per aspirations of Sikh sangat.

Kirpal Singh Bathinda, Prof. Gurpreet Singh Guru Gobind Study Circle, Karam Singh Bhoian SAD (A), Amrik Singh Nangal, Parminderpal Singh Khalsa Internation Sikh welfare society, Dalbir Singh Dastar Federation of India, Bhai Makhan Singh from Jammu and Sikh leaders from Haryana and Rajasthan were present on the occasion.

Gathering

Sikh Sangat giving their approval to resolutions

Does Nanakshi Calendar have this much support or did many turn up to see what the fuss was about?

[dashmesh1984 102]

seems like majority of sikhs support nanakshai calendar

[Jonny101 4,380]

seems like majority of sikhs support nanakshai calendar

I didn't know that the heretic Kala Afghanists like Panth Preet(who has links with people who are connected with RSS) and Badnaam missionaries like Dhundha and their heretic supporters are the majority of Sikhs...

But on a serious note, that report is misleading. Most Sikhs there are not there for Purewal's calender issue. Plenty of Taksalis there as well and they were not there for Purewal's calender. They, like many of the Sikhs were present there for the other issues such as "termination of section 25 (2) (b) of the Indian Constitution and the release of Sikh political prisoners permanently".

[S1ngh 1,842]

Most of them are just to watch the show baed-chaal.

Majority of the ppl listed as leaders are garbage politicians who oppose naam bani and our gurus scriptures.

Biased reporting.

[kharkusingh1996 232]

I didn't know that the heretic Kala Afghanists like Panth Preet(who has links with people who are connected with RSS) and Badnaam missionaries like Dhundha and their heretic supporters are the majority of Sikhs...

But on a serious note, that report is misleading. Most Sikhs there are not there for Purewal's calender issue. Plenty of Taksalis there as well and they were not there for Purewal's calender. They, like many of the Sikhs were present there for the other issues such as "termination of section 25 (2) (b) of the Indian Constitution and the release of Sikh political prisoners permanently".

when I saw Dhunda in that list I laughed at how he is there supporting the calendar all of a sudden.

[Jonny101 4,380]

when I saw Dhunda in that list I laughed at how he is there supporting the calendar all of a sudden.

He and his heretic kind are the ones who are the main supporting base of Purewal calender. Since most of the Gurdwaras in the west are run by corrupt uncles who have very little knowledge of Sikhi and are full supporters of these heretics like Dhuna and Panthpreet, they are also supporting Purewal calender. Anyone who opposes this calender is conveniently labelled as RSS or Sant Samaji supporter in order to silence them even though it is now coming out that it is these heretics who have connections with RSS.

But I ask those people, can you label Guru Sahibaan, Bhai Gurdas Jee as RSS who have used Bikrami calender in their Bani? how can something that is in Guru's Bani(which comes from Sachkhand) be wrong? Gurbani is our Guru. You want to follow our Gurus, Puraatan Singhs and Shaheeds for the last 500 years or you want to listen to heretics like Panthpreet, Kala Afghana, Dhunda, Darshan Lal, Ghagha?

[DTF 160]

I think it's a time for the whole Panth to stand United in support of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa Ji rather than worry about the massive support for Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa Ji's objectives generated by Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa Ji and Bhai Sarabjit Singh Dhunda as seen at Sri Akal Takht today.

Because Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa Ji and Bhai Sarabjit Singh Dhunda have been at the forefront of parchar against drugs, in support of the release of innocent political prisoners, against female foeticide and vehemently against biraderi divisions it's highly wrong for them to be falsely labelled as atheists or being with such and such due to the commendable number of erstwhile non-Sikhs they have encouraged through their parchar into the Khalsa Panth.

Today shows to diaspora youth that the so-called atheists actually command the support of majority of the Sangat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDB9gxNKsdc

Factionalism has no place in the Sikh Panth's war against injustice, drugs, illiteracy, infanticide, poverty and biraderi.

United we stand ... Divided we Fall

[Meme 35]

United we stand with those who dont attack our scriptures and those who dont make mockery of naam simran.

Just for sake of unity, it is not right to stand together with those who attacks gurbani directly in open.

Second of all, bhai Gurbaksh Singh khalsa already gave a strong jawab to these missonaries during his first morcha last year and that is the main reason why such gur nindaks didnt go see him at all, far from supporting him.

Are they really that thick head to highlight their flawed calendar when a G khalsa health is in grave danger and he stopped drinking water. These calendar thugs are there ok behalf of someone to steal the light away from bukh hadtaal of bhai sahib.

[DTF 160]

United we stand with those who dont attack our scriptures

= Bhai Sahib, Meme Ji, the whole Panth acknowledges the supreme Truth of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa Ji is one of many straight-talking common sense pro-Gurmat parcharaks who constantly emphasises the importance of Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj's instruction of "Guru maneyo Granth" in relation to Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. All Sikhs have full unshakeable faith in the words of Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj.

and those who dont make mockery of naam simran.

= All that those you decry have said is that naam simran cannot be verbal alone but must be accompanied by practical action.

Just for sake of unity, it is not right to stand together with those who attacks gurbani directly in open.

= Nobody is attacking Gurbani as Gursikhs like Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa simply don't agree that all of the hundreds of pages of Charitropakhiyan stories were written by Guru Sahib.

Second of all, bhai Gurbaksh Singh khalsa already gave a strong jawab to these missonaries during his first morcha last year

= Hardly, as Gurmat Gian Missionary College Ludhiana were providing Langar inthazaam to Sangat both this year and last year.

and that is the main reason why such gur nindaks didnt go see him at all, far from supporting him.

= The so-called Gurnindaks like Bhai Ranjit Singh Dhadrianwale, Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa Ji and Bhai Sarabjit Singh Dhunda have been the most vociferous in support of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa Ji's political objectives on both occasions. Sangat all know who are actually against Bhai Sahib's objectives as they have been missing in both years.

Are they really that thick head to highlight their flawed calendar when a G khalsa health is in grave danger and he stopped drinking water. These calendar thugs are there ok behalf of someone to steal the light away from bukh hadtaal of bhai sahib.

= Respectfully,what you are saying is purely divisionary rhetoric Meme Singh Ji. Sangat turned up in massive numbers at Sri Akal Takht Sahib yesterday (thanks to Bhai Panthpreet Singh Khalsa and Bhai Sarabjit Singh Dhunda's organisational parchar prompting in the main) to wholeheartedly SUPPORT Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa Ji objectives by applying pressure to Jathedar Sahib, as well as making it clear that the constitutional position of Sikhs needs immediate clarification before Jan 26th as being distinct from Hindu's (so Badal should not shirk his responsibility now that his allies are at the centre in Delhi). The calender matter is an incidental issue towards the end of the agenda presented (regardless of if reporting may make it appear to be otherwise). If certain Sikhs wish to celebrate Holi and Diwali with the RSS on the banks of the river Ganges on the very same Hindu holy days that's down to them. All the others are saying is that there is strategic benefit to Hola Mohalla and Banddi Chhor Diwas occurring on different dates to Holi and Diwali.

= Regardless of small issues where there may be disagreement, I repeat that we ALL need to unite in support of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Khalsa Ji's objectives relating to the rightful freedom of innocent political prisoners and to fight against drugs, illiteracy, female infanticide, alcohol, biraderi UNITEDLY as ONE INDIVISIBLE PANTH.

VJKK VJKF

[jkvlondon 5,650]

I didn't know that the heretic Kala Afghanists like Panth Preet(who has links with people who are connected with RSS) and Badnaam missionaries like Dhundha and their heretic supporters are the majority of Sikhs...

But on a serious note, that report is misleading. Most Sikhs there are not there for Purewal's calender issue. Plenty of Taksalis there as well and they were not there for Purewal's calender. They, like many of the Sikhs were present there for the other issues such as "termination of section 25 (2) (b) of the Indian Constitution and the release of Sikh political prisoners permanently".

problem is that's how indian media presented it especially punjabi news ... But of course that's what the sheep will understand it to be because it is in print and on the tv

[Jonny101 4,380]

For those who are not familiar with Panthpreet read here:

Panthpreet Exposed:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70544-panthpreet-exposed/

Here you can see Panthpreet welcoming Ghagha by putting a saropa around his neck and his heretic partner Dhundha right next him.

This is the same Ghagha who has links with RSS:

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/76130-professor-ghagga-honored-by-ex-rss-covert-sikh/

Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Jee had warned us about such rogue elements since many of them were trying to leach off the Panthic struggle all the while secretly pushing their heretic agenda. Last year it was anti Dasam Bani parchar, this year it is pushing their calender agenda.