Biggest Answer To Muslims

[Guest Jacfsing2]

All I was saying about the pictures in your temples is it would appear to an un educated outsider like me that sikhi is a kind of war against intolerent and oppressive islam.

That is just my impression from wandering around the big temple in southall.

Everyone is at war against oppressive Islam, because it takes away the basic rights of humans. But we aren't here to just declare war on Muslims as we fight individuals not entire groups.

[eduardo]

as we fight individuals not entire groups.

Individual oppressors you mean?

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Individual oppressors you mean?

Yes

[Pakandi baba]

Jae Hum Ko Parameshvar Uuchar Hai, Thae Sabh Narak Kund Mehi Paar Hai. Mo ko dass thavan ka jaano, ya mai baed na ranch pashano

He who calls me God will burn in the fires of hell, I am only the servant of God, do not doubt this.

This is from the rasna of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sahib in Bachittar Natak, where the subject is himself.

I understand that for these Sikhs to die may have been the will of God, but then why did Guru Sahib write the Zafarnamah and chastise Aurangzeb as if it was his fault? Why blame him at all for simply enacting the will of the divine?

Guru Sahib himself admits in Zafarnamah that he made a mistake:

Hadn’t I taken thee to thy word upon the Koran,

I wouldn’t have chosen the path I did. (23)

I knew not that thy men were crafty and deceitful like a fox.

Else I wouldn’t have driven myself to this state. (24)

Jae Hum Ko Parameshvar Uuchar Hai, Thae Sabh Narak Kund Mehi Paar Hai. Mo ko dass thavan ka jaano, ya mai baed na ranch pashano

He who calls me God will burn in the fires of hell, I am only the servant of God, do not doubt this.

This is from the rasna of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sahib in Bachittar Natak, where the subject is himself.

I understand that for these Sikhs to die may have been the will of God, but then why did Guru Sahib write the Zafarnamah and chastise Aurangzeb as if it was his fault? Why blame him at all for simply enacting the will of the divine?

Guru Sahib himself admits in Zafarnamah that he made a mistake:

Hadn’t I taken thee to thy word upon the Koran,

I wouldn’t have chosen the path I did. (23)

I knew not that thy men were crafty and deceitful like a fox.

Else I wouldn’t have driven myself to this state. (24)

Dasam Granth is NOT GURU so what it says in SGGS is law! That quote is said for those that refer to the Gurus as God, because that would then take people away from the message. Also I'm happy to go to hell, The Das Gurus were GOD! I'd gladly go to hell

[Pakandi baba]

Jae Hum Ko Parameshvar Uuchar Hai, Thae Sabh Narak Kund Mehi Paar Hai. Mo ko dass thavan ka jaano, ya mai baed na ranch pashano

He who calls me God will burn in the fires of hell, I am only the servant of God, do not doubt this.

This is from the rasna of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Sahib in Bachittar Natak, where the subject is himself.

I understand that for these Sikhs to die may have been the will of God, but then why did Guru Sahib write the Zafarnamah and chastise Aurangzeb as if it was his fault? Why blame him at all for simply enacting the will of the divine?

Guru Sahib himself admits in Zafarnamah that he made a mistake:

Hadn’t I taken thee to thy word upon the Koran,

I wouldn’t have chosen the path I did. (23)

I knew not that thy men were crafty and deceitful like a fox.

Else I wouldn’t have driven myself to this state. (24)

He knew, he's Antarjami. Heard of ego? it'd look glorious had he said 'I know it all, can prevent this, that and the other'

You seem to have an agenda, I see a pattern in your negative posts. Refrain from addressing mine!

[Balkaar]

Pakandi baba, on 01 Jul 2015 - 12:55, said:

He knew, he's Antarjami. Heard of ego? it'd look glorious had he said 'I know it all, can prevent this, that and the other'

You seem to have an agenda, I see a pattern in your negative posts. Refrain from addressing mine!

Yep, you found me out. I'm not actually Balkaar Singh, my real name is Balkaar Raam, I'm an undercover RSS Chela trying to subvert your Sikh panth from the inside.

Grow up. Not everybody with a divergent point of view is peddling some hidden agenda.

I'l happily refrain from addressing your posts.

[eduardo]

I still maintain the biggest answer to Muslims is this:

http://quran.com/109

It will drive em mad, I mean they want to engage you in a discussion so they can pick your brain apart and do your head in, why waste your time on these clowns.

Just quote this verse and walk on by, go associate with your pals and enjoy your life, don't even waste your breath on these people.

[SheikhYoBooty]

^ Mr Virk, Baba Farid Ji was a (Sufi) Gurmukh + NOT a Muslim (as Baba Farid rejected Islam).

True Sufi's like Baba Farid Ji believed in one God (Allah) but reject Prophet Muhammad as a role model due to his slave trading, pedophilia, terrorism, sexism, rapes, racism and genocides that directed and participated in during his lifetime against innocent non-Muslims.

Baba Farid Ji's criticism of Prophet Muhammad is gaining traction worldwide:

An ex-Muslim called Ali Sina of www.faithfreedom.org has also said he will pay

$5,000,000 U.S. dollars

to anyone who can disprove any of the dozen of the accusations that he has made against Prophet Muhammad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

Facts prove that the pedophile slaveowner and terrorist called Prophet Muhammad was:

a narcissist

a misogynist

a rapist

a pedophile

a lecher

a torturer

a mass murderer

a cult leader

an assassin

a terrorist

a looter

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVWksqo-u-8

MUHAMMAD'S SPIRITUAL PROBLEMS

• When Muhammad began receiving revelations, his first impression of these revelations was that they were demonic.
• Muhammad was so traumatized by his encounter with "Gabriel" that he repeatedly tried to commit suicide by hurling himself off a cliff.
• According to Muslim sources, Muhammad once delivered a revelation from the devil (the "Satanic Verses").
• Muhammad claimed that he was a victim of a magic spell that gave him delusional thoughts and false beliefs.

MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH PAGANISM AND IDOLATRY

• Islam promotes idolatry (e.g., bowing down to the Kaaba and kissing the black stone).
• Islam deifies Muhammad by requiring unconditional obedience to him and by requiring Muslims to talk to him during their daily prayers.

MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH VIOLENCE

• Muhammad ordered his followers to torture a man named Kinana to find out where some money was hidden. Muhammad then had Kinana killed, and took his wife for himself.
• Muhammad commanded his followers to kill critics of Islam.
• Muhammad ordered his followers to kill apostates, even if they had good reasons for leaving Islam.

MUHAMMAD'S SCIENTIFIC PROBLEMS

• The Qur'an claims that stars are missiles that Allah uses to shoot demons.
• Muhammad's teachings about personal hygiene would lead to death if Muslims took them seriously.
• Muhammad claimed that Gabriel explained to him why children look like one parent or the other. Gabriel's answer is completely false.

MUHAMMAD'S EVIDENTIAL PROBLEMS

• When Muhammad was too shy to tell his dinner guests to leave, Allah stepped in with a special revelation that should make everyone wonder whether Muhammad's revelations really have anything to do with God.
• The Qur'an declares that Christians find Muhammad mentioned in our scriptures. Yet our scriptures call Muhammad an antichrist.
• In the Qur'an, Allah promises to kill Muhammad by severing his aorta if Muhammad invents a false revelation. When Muhammad died, he said he could feel his aorta being severed.
• The Qur'an presents a test for divine inspiration, but fails the test.
• Muslims believe that the Qur'an is Allah's eternal Word. Yet Allah repeatedly changes his eternal mind about his eternal Word via abrogation.
• The Qur'an is missing at least two verses in which Allah commands grown women to breastfeed grown men in order to prevent sexual misconduct.

MUHAMMAD'S PROBLEMS WITH WOMEN

• Muhammad allowed his followers to hire prostitutes.
• The Qur'an allows Muslim men to have up to four wives at a time. But Muhammad received a special revelation giving him (and him alone) the right to break the four-wife limit.
• Muhammad had sex with a prepubescent nine-year-old girl named Aisha.
• The Qur'an allows Muslim men to beat their wives into submission.
• Islam allows Muslim men to rape their female captives and slave-girls.
• Muhammad married the divorced wife of his own adopted son (after Muhammad caused the divorce), and the Qur'an offers an absurd defense of Muhammad's actions.
• When Muhammad's wife Sauda became fat and unattractive, Muhammad intended to divorce her. Sauda had to relinquish some of her marital rights to avoid being abandoned.
• After Muhammad got caught having sex with his slave girl in the bed of one of his wives, he swore that he would stop having sex with his slave-girl. Allah ordered him to break that oath.
• Muhammad claimed that women are less intelligent and less moral than men.

MUHAMMAD'S THEOLOGICAL PROBLEMS

• According to the Qur'an, Allah is the "best of deceivers."
• According to Muhammad, Allah wants people to sin, and he threatens us with annihilation if we refuse to sin.
• Since Allah would destroy us for not sinning, the true savior of humanity, according to Islam, is Satan, who tempts human beings to sin and therefore protects us from being destroyed.
• Muhammad didn't know whether he would go to heaven or hell when he died.
• Islam teaches that Allah will punish Jews and Christians in hell for the sins of Muslims.

[StarStriker]

Bhagat farid was a Muslim and guru nanak respected him.. His bani is the first bani of sggs so that's good enough for me.. Such bigotry is disgusting how can you ppl call yourselves sikh

Baba farid was a k@njar.

According to muslims at that time, after n present. He sang songs about god, with music, which is considered work of the kuffar (non-believers). He, like kabir, both born in muslim households, yet rejected practically everything muslims r supposed to believe. Rejection of 7 heavens/hells, god bein in 1 direction (mecca), hajj, fasting, halal slaughter, circumcision etc.

Baba farid, wasnt even allowed into mosques, and denied a muslim burial too. He was about as muslim as benito mussolini.

Baba bulleh shah, anotha man, who used music/dance/singin to praise god, was also called a k@njar, and considered a kuffar.

Nusrat fateh ali khan - 'Je tu rabb nu manona'

"nach nach ke, yaar manaalaiy ye, paave lok, aakun pehri ka@njari eh"...convince ur lover via dance, even if ppl call u a worthless prostitute.

"nach nach ke yaar manalaiya, paave k@njari bann na peh jaaveh"...convince ur lover, even if u have to become a prostitute.

"Paave k@njari, je bulleh vangu, ghunghru tu paah"...even if like bulleh shah, u have to wear ankle bracelets, like a prostitute.

Theres a reason y sikhs n sufis have, n had a great relationship, as we both agree on singin gods name, with music. So much so, that, pre-partition it was marasi/sufis that did kirtan in our gurdwaras, without any hesitancy.

[eduardo]

Theres a reason y sikhs n sufis have, n had a great relationship, as we both agree on singin gods name, with music. So much so, that, pre-partition it was marasi/sufis that did kirtan in our gurdwaras, without any hesitancy.

Are they singing to a God of love not of fear.

I wonder where the Sufi's got these ideas from, does anyone know?