All The "singhs" Are Good For.

[Akalifauj]

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[eduardo]

Your the bigger soorma, so come and stop Singhs. Cowards like yoy will never embrass Sikhi. You only follow a christianized version of Sikhi. My Guru judges my actions. Not some sunday going....God is one.....follow any religion fool boy.

Do you know what you sound like to me pal?

You sound like a guy with no personality who finds it very difficult to form normal relationships.

I bet you have no real power in your everyday life and most people ignore you or cross the street to avoid you.

The only power you can find in your life is in religion, it gives you a sense of superiority over others.

You like to judge other people and threaten them with your new found religious power but underneath you are just a seething mass of resentment and jealousy.

You probably have no idea how communicate with women and if you do eventually get a wife through some arranged marriage you will

no doubt be a complete control freak who monitors your wives every movement and questions her whenever she has been out.

I guarantee you like to throw words like guilt and shame around a lot because it makes you feel all high and mighty and you will no doubt become a bully

given the chance to be.

You are an extremist who underneath is a very unpleasant person but most people just ignore you and you hope your religion will one day give you opportunity

to get back at all the people who have belittled you through the years.

And by the way, you can't spell for sh1t.

[Bundha]

It is amusing how these couples and their families bow down to Guru Sahib Ji with a sincere heart and nimarta. The truth is far from this.

These people have NO love for Guru Ji or Sikhi. It is just a matter of a big show off -

Keep beard just for the anand karaj then as soon as it is done, shave it off in the toilets - is this bowing down to Guru Ji?

Hold a 3 foot kirpan in the gurdwara and then dance the night away - is this bowing to Guru Ji ?

Tie pag in the gurdwara and then throw it off as soon as it is over - is this bowing to Guru Ji ?

The bride hardly has her head covered while doing the lava - is this showing respect to Guru Ji ?

If you want to show respect then become Sikh first. Then nobody can even throw an angry glance at you.

When a non Jew wants to marry a Jew he/she has to go through a rigorous test. They get tested on Jewish law and history, they have to convert before the Jew will marry him or her.

When a muslim marries outside he/she demands that the partner converts first, only then they marry.

What do we do? We have none Sikhs come into the gurdwara, make solemn promises infront of Guru Ji - make solemn pact with Guru Ji with full ardaas. Then go off forget about it and party all night.

So why are we such idiots ? Why do we not demand that the partner converts first ?

That is the state of affairs with us, and we get people come on here and complain that some Sikhs are making a stand against this. You should hang you heads in shame.

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[Akalifauj]

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[DTF]

Bundha Bhai Sahib (respect to you as an artist btw) but have you fully thought this through?

So there are 5 million Sikhs in this generation of marriageable age (let's assume for argument's sake).

Remarkably only 20% find a spouse who doesn't happen to be born in a Sikh family background (despite the populations of the two main diaspora bastions of Sikh populations ie the UK and Canada being 99% non-Sikh and even India itself supposedly being 98% non-Sikh).

So OK via your method people like you stand at the gates and ruin the most joyous day of a couple's life.

And you successfully ban 1 million erstwhile Sikhs (of the 5million = 20%) from having an Anand Karaj at a Gurdwara.

The consequence of which is that the couple and all their future generations are lost from Sikhi permanently.

Via these tactics the Diaspora Sikh populations will be half of what they currently are within just 2 generations.

It's an absolute no-brainer (demographically and morally) as to why we need to focus on drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty as the bigger threats to the Sikh Panth.

And focus on welcoming all so-called mixed couples into the Panth so that they and even more importantly their children feel an integral part of the Sikh Panth which is universal and inclusive in outlook.

I would not be Sikh today if people had stopped my non-Sikh ancestors from having been blessed with an Anand Karaj as recently ago as the 20th century. Millions of non-Sikhs came into Sikhi through the blessing of Anand Karaj.

[eduardo]

Billy bob, calm down and go wash your panties. Sharing with your cousin larry is not a good idea.

Is that your best comeback?

See I said you had no personality.

[eduardo]

When a non Jew wants to marry a Jew he/she has to go through a rigorous test. They get tested on Jewish law and history, they have to convert before the Jew will marry him or her.

When a muslim marries outside he/she demands that the partner converts first, only then they marry..

Why do you feel the need to compare yourself to other religions?

[JSinghnz]

Bundha Bhai Sahib (respect to you as an artist btw) but have you fully thought this through?

So there are 5 million Sikhs in this generation of marriageable age (let's assume for argument's sake).

Remarkably only 20% find a spouse who doesn't happen to be born in a Sikh family background (despite the populations of the two main diaspora bastions of Sikh populations ie the UK and Canada being 99% non-Sikh and even India itself supposedly being 98% non-Sikh).

So OK via your method people like you stand at the gates and ruin the most joyous day of a couple's life.

And you successfully ban 1 million erstwhile Sikhs (of the 5million = 20%) from having an Anand Karaj at a Gurdwara.

The consequence of which is that the couple and all their future generations are lost from Sikhi permanently.

Via these tactics the Diaspora Sikh populations will be half of what they currently are within just 2 generations.

It's an absolute no-brainer (demographically and morally) as to why we need to focus on drugs, alcohol, female infanticide, biraderi apartheid, illiteracy, cancer and poverty as the bigger threats to the Sikh Panth.

And focus on welcoming all so-called mixed couples into the Panth so that they and even more importantly their children feel an integral part of the Sikh Panth which is universal and inclusive in outlook.

I would not be Sikh today if people had stopped my non-Sikh ancestors from having been blessed with an Anand Karaj as recently ago as the 20th century. Millions of non-Sikhs came into Sikhi through the blessing of Anand Karaj.

Try telling that to a Muslim that he can celebrate the most joyous moment of his/ her life with a non Muslim and get wed the Muslim way.Compare their numbers with ours.

[DTF]

D = Bundha Ji the first part of your posts apply equally to couples where both partners are nominally Sikh. A potential solution which can keep all parties within the Panth on the same page and welcome new members to the Panth would be to perhaps reserve Anand Karaj for Amritdhari couples and have a Sikh wedding service for those who wish to marry in a Gurdwara but are not currenty Amritdhari.

Bundha = When a non Jew wants to marry a Jew he/she has to go through a rigorous test. They get tested on Jewish law and history, they have to convert before the Jew will marry him or her. When a muslim marries outside he/she demands that the partner converts first, only then they marry.

D = Bundha Ji all three Abrahamic faiths also condone slavery. Does that mean Sikhs should follow the mistakes of others? Sikh ik vakhri Qaum ne!

D = If all the other religions build fancy places of worship costing tens of millions, why do we feel the need to copy them when Guru Sahib wanted us to worship in simple Gurughars rather than wrongly adorn places of worship with gold when Guru Sahib would have wanted the gold melted to feed the poor.

So why are we such idiots ? Why do we not demand that the partner converts first ?

D = A human being that bows down before Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj with a sincere heart is the base definition of an ordinary lay Sikh.

That is the state of affairs with us, and we get people come on here and complain that some Sikhs are making a stand against this. You should hang you heads in shame.

D = Bhai Sahib please be so kind as to address the points I have put forward on this thread if you disagree with me (as I respect the sincerity of why you feel the way you do). But I am sincerely arguing that what you are saying is totally wrong and will result in the annihilation of Sikh diaspora populations within a couple of generations.

[MisterrSingh]

Yep, it's the numbers game unfortunately; numbers that the other faiths have in absolute abundance. If we carry on the way things are headed they'll be very little left of us.

In an ideal world of justice and fair play, yes, we should be able to marry people of other backgrounds and bring them before Guru Sahib so they can pay their respects, and begin a lifelong journey of acquainting themselves with Sikhi.

But we know that in reality once the formalities are over, aside from another wedding or a death, none of these individuals will ever step foot inside a Gurdwara, much less raise children in the Sikh way. Yes, there'll be exceptions, but never enough to make a huge difference. That's not to say bully-boy tactics are the way forward, because they're not.