Who Cares Is He's Muslim?

[ParminderG]

Sat Sri Akal,

I was born in California, USA, my father came to the states when he was 4, and my mother came when she was married at 17 (she was a city girl from india). My parents aren't too religious, but we do love God, and everyone around us. My question is why do Sikh families care if their children marry Muslims? My brother and I grew up dating whoever we wanted as long as they were respectful and kind. I am now in my mid 20's and I have an interest in a Muslim man.. But my parents say that they can't accept him. I'm baffled as to why that is, since they don't have an issue with any other religion. I am aware of the history between the religions, but why let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch? I won't continue dating him if it will give me trouble, but I'm wondering why is it that we're told to love everybody but are prejudice?

Thank you in advance for your kind, and considerate responses as this is my first time,

Parminder G.

[pushpinda]

Sat Sri Akal,

I was born in California, USA, my father came to the states when he was 4, and my mother came when she was married at 17 (she was a city girl from india). My parents aren't too religious, but we do love God, and everyone around us. My question is why do Sikh families care if their children marry Muslims? My brother and I grew up dating whoever we wanted as long as they were respectful and kind. I am now in my mid 20's and I have an interest in a Muslim man.. But my parents say that they can't accept him. I'm baffled as to why that is, since they don't have an issue with any other religion. I am aware of the history between the religions, but why let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch? I won't continue dating him if it will give me trouble, but I'm wondering why is it that we're told to love everybody but are prejudice?

Thank you in advance for your kind, and considerate responses as this is my first time,

Parminder G.

I think your parents are the only two people that can best answer your question. People on this forum are very helpful, they will answer your question, no doubt about it but, their answers will not have any impact on you. Why? The answer is very simple. We listen to those that we love, respect and know especially when they happen to be our parents. Strangers don't have the same impact on us as our parents or loved ones do. You claim you are aware of the history between religions then why are you so 'baffled' at your parents decision not to accept this muslim man? What does this mean? Does it mean you haven't learned any lessons from our history? Which 'few rotten apples' are you referring to? What 'bunch' are they spoiling? I am not entirely sure what is it that you are referring to. If you knew the sikh history as you claim you do, you would have soon learned that our glorious history is much larger than few rotten apples and a bunch they are meant to be spoiling! Our history is very unique and powerful and to express it in terms of few rotten apples and a bunch is absolutely sacrilegious! There is no history in this world that can equal the sikh history. Believe you me our sikh history has got nothing to do with few 'rotten apples,' or a 'bunch' and to see it being expressed in this way is hurting me so much that I am literally in tears now.

Please read the SGGS, the Dasam Patshah ji's Bani, about Mahaan Baba Deep Singh Ji. Find out about Dasam Pita's sacrifices for us so we can call ourselves sikhs today. We are heavily indebted to our Deshmesh Pita for all the sacrifices that have been made for us. Do you know why our Deshmesh Pita ji is known as 'Sarbans Daani?' There is no way we can ever repay Him. If you are lucky you will soon learn that our history is more than just 'few rotten apples' and a 'bunch' they are suppose to be spoiling. There is simply no comparison.

I am not sure if you are a sikh. In my view, it is arrogant to call oneself a sikh when you don't even know your history which is replete with painful martydoms, imprisonment and sacrifices throughout, starting with the first Guru to the tenth!! Besides knowing our history it is also imperative to learn lessons from it!

[Guest Jacfsing2]

I have to agree with the person above, you just wouldn't listen to strangers online in decisions you feel that you think what your doing right. It's not as effective or powerful.

I have to agree with the person above, you just wouldn't listen to strangers online in decisions you feel that you think what your doing right. It's not as effective or powerful.

[kazimakazima]

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[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

Well, whatever you do, don't wander into gurdwara hoping for an Anand Karaj ceremony.

[SheikhYoBooty]

Because the Holy Quran says men can rape female non-Muslims and it's cool

Because the Holy Quran says making non-Muslim women as slaves and sex objects is cool

Because Muslim men respect a pedophile called Prophet Muhammad who aged 54 had sex with his 9year old Aisha.

I mean would u want your daughter to marry a Muslim man that is allowed to rape a kaffir woman at any time?

Would u want your daughter married off at age 6 and offered up for sex to a 54 year old Arab?

Because in Islam copying the role model of Prophet Muhammad is seen as the best way of life for Muslim men.

Would u want your daughter married to a Muslim man when the Quran (Sura 4 Ayat 34) says its ok to beat women?

TheReligionofPeace.com
Guide to Understanding Islam

What does the
Religion of Peace
Teach About...

A Woman's Worth Relative to a Man's

Question:

Does Islam teach that a woman is worth less than a man?

Summary Answer:

Absolutely. The only debatable point is by what degree.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.

Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.

Bukhari (2:29) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.

Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.

Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an , a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."

Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTeAB4l0KCM

Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.

Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.

Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad traded captured women for horses.

Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."

Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."

Ishaq 969 - "Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons." - This same text also justifies beating women for flirting.

Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.

Additional Notes:

The attempt to paint Islam as a pioneering force in women's rights is a recent one, corresponding with the efforts of Muslim apologists (not otherwise known for their feminist concerns) and some Western academics prone to interpreting history according to pre-formed conclusions. In truth, the Islamic religious community has never exhibited an interest in expanding opportunities for women beyond the family role.

The fourth Caliph, who was Muhammad's son-in-law and cousin, said just a few years after the prophet's death that "The entire woman is an evil. And what is worse is that it is a necessary evil."

A traditional Islamic saying is that, "A woman's heaven is beneath her husband's feet." One of the world's most respected Quran commentaries explains that, "Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden." (Tafsir al-Qurtubi)

The revered Islamic scholar, al-Ghazali, who has been called 'the greatest Muslim after Muhammad,' writes that the role of a Muslim woman is to "stay at home and get on with her sewing. She should not go out often, she must not be well-informed, nor must she be communicative with her neighbors and only visit them when absolutely necessary; she should take care of her husband... and seek to satisfy him in everything... Her sole worry should be her virtue... She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment." [as quoted from Ibn Warraq]

A Yemeni cleric recently explained in a television broadcast what it is that makes women inferior and unable, say, to serve as good witnesses: "Women are subject to menstruation, when their endurance and mental capacity for concentration are diminished. When a woman witnesses a killing or an accident, she becomes frightened, moves away, and sometimes even faints, and she cannot even watch the incident."

[Big_Tera]

Sat Sri Akal,

I was born in California, USA, my father came to the states when he was 4, and my mother came when she was married at 17 (she was a city girl from india). My parents aren't too religious, but we do love God, and everyone around us. My question is why do Sikh families care if their children marry Muslims? My brother and I grew up dating whoever we wanted as long as they were respectful and kind. I am now in my mid 20's and I have an interest in a Muslim man.. But my parents say that they can't accept him. I'm baffled as to why that is, since they don't have an issue with any other religion. I am aware of the history between the religions, but why let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch? I won't continue dating him if it will give me trouble, but I'm wondering why is it that we're told to love everybody but are prejudice?

Thank you in advance for your kind, and considerate responses as this is my first time,

Parminder G.

One day you will know the answer. by that time it will be to late. why risk everything for one person? Is that how powerful another person is. You need to be strong not weak. No one is worth that.

[Koi]

Because the Holy Quran says men can rape female non-Muslims and it's cool

Because the Holy Quran says making non-Muslim women as slaves and sex objects is cool

Because Muslim men respect a pedophile called Prophet Muhammad who aged 54 had sex with his 9year old Aisha.

I mean would u want your daughter to marry a Muslim man that is allowed to rape a kaffir woman at any time?

Would u want your daughter married off at age 6 and offered up for sex to a 54 year old Arab?

Because in Islam copying the role model of Prophet Muhammad is seen as the best way of life for Muslim men.

Would u want your daughter married to a Muslim man when the Quran (Sura 4 Ayat 34) says its ok to beat women?

TheReligionofPeace.com

Guide to Understanding Islam

What does the

Religion of Peace

Teach About...

A Woman's Worth Relative to a Man's

Question:

Does Islam teach that a woman is worth less than a man?

Summary Answer:

Absolutely. The only debatable point is by what degree.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (4:11) - (Inheritance) "The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females" (see also verse 4:176). In Islam, sexism is mathematically established.

Qur'an (2:282) - (Court testimony) "And call to witness, from among your men, two witnesses. And if two men be not found then a man and two women." Muslim apologists offer creative explanations to explain why Allah felt that a man's testimony in court should be valued twice as highly as a woman's, but studies consistently show that women are actually less likely to tell lies than men, meaning that they would make more reliable witnesses.

Qur'an (2:228) - "and the men are a degree above them [women]"

Qur'an (5:6) - "And if ye are unclean, purify yourselves. And if ye are sick or on a journey, or one of you cometh from the closet, or ye have had contact with women, and ye find not water, then go to clean, high ground and rub your faces and your hands with some of it" Men are to rub dirt on their hands if there is no water to purify them following casual contact with a woman (such as shaking hands).

Qur'an (24:31) - Women are to lower their gaze around men, so they do not look them in the eye. (To be fair, men are told to do the same thing in the prior verse).

Qur'an (2:223) - "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will..." A man has dominion over his wives' bodies as he does his land. This verse is overtly sexual. There is some dispute as to whether it is referring to the practice of anal intercourse, which it has been used historically to justify. If this is what Muhammad meant, however, then it would appear to contradict what he said in Muslim (8:3365).

Qur'an (4:3) - (Wife-to-husband ratio) "Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four" Inequality by numbers.

Qur'an (53:27) - "Those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names." Angels are sublime beings, and would therefore be male.

Qur'an (4:24) and Qur'an (33:50) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage. Note that the verse distinguishes wives from captives (those whom they right hand possesses).

From the Hadith:

Bukhari (6:301) - "[Muhammad] said, 'Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?' They replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her intelligence.'"

Bukhari (6:301) - continued - "[Muhammad said] 'Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?' The women replied in the affirmative. He said, 'This is the deficiency in her religion.'" Allah has made women deficient in the practice of their religion as well, by giving them menstrual cycles.

Bukhari (2:29) - Women comprise the majority of Hell's occupants. This is important because the only women in heaven ever mentioned by Muhammad are the virgins who serve the sexual desires of men. (A weak Hadith, Kanz al-`ummal, 22:10, even suggests that 99% of women go to Hell).

Bukhari (62:81) - "The Prophet said: "'The stipulations most entitled to be abided by are those with which you are given the right to enjoy the (women's) private parts (i.e. the stipulations of the marriage contract).'" In other words, the most important thing a woman brings to marriage is between her legs.

Bukhari (62:58) - A woman presents herself in marriage to Muhammad, but he does not find her attractive, so he "donates" her on the spot to another man.

Muslim (4:1039) - "A'isha said [to Muhammad]: 'You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses'" These are the words of Muhammad's favorite wife, complaining of the role assigned to women under Islam.

Abu Dawud (2:704) - "...the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) said: When one of you prays without a sutrah, a dog, an , a pig, a Jew, a Magian, and a woman cut off his prayer, but it will suffice if they pass in front of him at a distance of over a stone's throw."

Abu Dawud (2155) - Women are compared to slaves and camels with regard to the "evil" in them.

Ishaq 593 - "As for Ali, he said, 'Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.'" Ali was raised as a son by Muhammad. He was also the 4th caliph. This comment was made in Muhammad's presence without a word of rebuke from him.

Ishaq 593 - "From the captives of Hunayn, Allah's Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another." - Even in this world, Muhammad treated women like party favors, handing out slave girls to his cronies for sex.

Ibn Ishaq (693) - "Then the apostle sent Sa-d b. Zayd al-Ansari, brother of Abdu'l-Ashal with some of the captive women of Banu Qurayza to Najd and he sold them for horses and weapons." Muhammad traded captured women for horses.

Al-Tirmidhi 3272 - "When Allah's Messenger was asked which woman was best he replied, 'The one who pleases (her husband) when he looks at her, obeys him when he gives a command, and does not go against his wishes regarding her person or property by doing anything of which he disapproves'."

Tabari VIII:117 - The fate of more captured farm wives, whom the Muslims distributed amongst themselves as sex slaves: "Dihyah had asked the Messenger for Safiyah when the Prophet chose her for himself... the Apostle traded for Safiyah by giving Dihyah her two cousins. The women of Khaybar were distributed among the Muslims."

Tabari IX:137 - "Allah granted Rayhana of the Qurayza to Muhammad as booty."

Ishaq 969 - "Men were to lay injunctions on women lightly, for they were prisoners of men and had no control over their persons." - This same text also justifies beating women for flirting.

Tabari Vol 9, Number 1754 - "Treat women well, for they are [like] domestic animals with you and do not possess anything for themselves." From Muhammad's 'Farewell Sermon'.

Additional Notes:

The attempt to paint Islam as a pioneering force in women's rights is a recent one, corresponding with the efforts of Muslim apologists (not otherwise known for their feminist concerns) and some Western academics prone to interpreting history according to pre-formed conclusions. In truth, the Islamic religious community has never exhibited an interest in expanding opportunities for women beyond the family role.

The fourth Caliph, who was Muhammad's son-in-law and cousin, said just a few years after the prophet's death that "The entire woman is an evil. And what is worse is that it is a necessary evil."

A traditional Islamic saying is that, "A woman's heaven is beneath her husband's feet." One of the world's most respected Quran commentaries explains that, "Women are like cows, horses, and camels, for all are ridden." (Tafsir al-Qurtubi)

The revered Islamic scholar, al-Ghazali, who has been called 'the greatest Muslim after Muhammad,' writes that the role of a Muslim woman is to "stay at home and get on with her sewing. She should not go out often, she must not be well-informed, nor must she be communicative with her neighbors and only visit them when absolutely necessary; she should take care of her husband... and seek to satisfy him in everything... Her sole worry should be her virtue... She should be clean and ready to satisfy her husband's sexual needs at any moment." [as quoted from Ibn Warraq]

A Yemeni cleric recently explained in a television broadcast what it is that makes women inferior and unable, say, to serve as good witnesses: "Women are subject to menstruation, when their endurance and mental capacity for concentration are diminished. When a woman witnesses a killing or an accident, she becomes frightened, moves away, and sometimes even faints, and she cannot even watch the incident."

Yeah, but who cares, right?...

[thesoldier]

[sikhstudent99]

Sat Sri Akal,

I was born in California, USA, my father came to the states when he was 4, and my mother came when she was married at 17 (she was a city girl from india). My parents aren't too religious, but we do love God, and everyone around us. My question is why do Sikh families care if their children marry Muslims? My brother and I grew up dating whoever we wanted as long as they were respectful and kind. I am now in my mid 20's and I have an interest in a Muslim man.. But my parents say that they can't accept him. I'm baffled as to why that is, since they don't have an issue with any other religion. I am aware of the history between the religions, but why let a few rotten apples spoil the bunch? I won't continue dating him if it will give me trouble, but I'm wondering why is it that we're told to love everybody but are prejudice?

Thank you in advance for your kind, and considerate responses as this is my first time,

Parminder G.

Is he arab pakistani afghan?