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Is Hindutva Worse Than Islamic Radicalism?

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What follows are two extracts from the book We, Our Nationhood Defined written by M.S. Golwarkar, the second leader of the RSS:

"To keep up the purity of the Race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the semitic Races - the Jews. Race pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well nigh impossible it is for Races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindusthan to learn and profit by."[31] "Ever since that evil day, when Moslems first landed in Hindustan, right up to the present moment, the Hindu Nation has been gallantly fighting on to take on these despoilers. The Race Spirit has been awakening."

"The non-Hindu people of Hindustan must either adopt Hindu culture and language, must learn and respect and hold in reverence the Hindu religion, must entertain no idea but of those of glorification of the Hindu race and culture ... In a word they must cease to be foreigners, or may stay in the country, wholly subordinated to the Hindu nation, claiming nothing, deserving no privileges, far less any preferential treatment—not even citizens' rights."

These horrific offerings are distinct from Islamic fundamentalism in some very important ways:

1 - Islam is not an inherently racist creed. Hindutva on the other hand appears to take for its inspiration the same sort of racial theories propounded by the Nazis, and covertly advocates genocide in the pursuit of Hindu racial hegemony by recommending Hindustanis to adopt Nazi methods. Even the pictures of them in their uniforms and at their rallies in formation evoke echoes of the Third Reich.

2 - Shariah law is repugnant, there can be no doubt, especially in point of its treatment of unbelievers. But even non-Muslim dhimmis living beneath the aegis of the Dar-ul-Islam are afforded basic rights such as protection by their rulers. Hindutva would deny them even that. It would literally reduce them to a subhuman level.

3 - It is based on a dangerous hallucination. The forces of Hindutva have somehow managed to utterly convince themselves that the laughable Hindu record of defeats at Muslim hands was actually a 'gallant fight' (to take the words of Gokalwar himself). Only a person of breathtaking psychiatric imbalance could perform these sorts of mental gymnastics. The cause of Islamic Jihad is manned by stupid fanatics - the cause of Hindu nationalism is manned by insane fanatics.

This is scary stuff. I haven't yet decided whether it frightens me more than Islamism, but that there should even be a contest between the two says it all. Also, it bears mentioning that whilst Punjab hasn't really been affected by Jihad, the tentacles of the RSS have embedded themselves deeply and extensively.

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Lets get our house in order before we try to solve world problems.

Hindutva and the RSS are a direct threat to Sikhi. They prop up Deras, undermine all our efforts for self-determination, and relentlessly try to assimilate our faith into theirs.

Dealing with them should be very high up on the Panth's list of priorities, I assure you.

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Both Islamic and hindu brahmin fundamentalists are bad as each other

The muslim usually stabs you in the front cos you know his faith hates all non-muslims you know what you getting with his moronic religion

With the Hindu Brahmin he doesnt care about his religion much because the knows its all rubbish so he is Hindu atheist so what he cares about is his land/nation (ie the land of Hind). If you oppose his hindutva agenda he will stab you in the back while plotting with your enemy and seeming to be your good friend. He will also pose as a Sikh to damage your reputation and to create trouble between you and the non-Sikh.

Hinduism/Hindus are tolerant of Sikhs and Sikhism as long as Sikhs dont have any political ambitions or authority.

Islam/Muslims are tolerant of of Sikhs and Sikhism as long as they are smaller number than muslims and dont convert them but they are allowed to convert sikhs.

So both religious agenda's are harmful to us but Islam is the greater danger as it will not tolerate our demographic numbers to rise to pose a threat to their authority hence they they always tareget kafir women cos they know you control the female breding stock you control the population.

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I got more respect for muslims, atleast they do it infront of u. Where as, gangus, especially panjabi gangus, r biggest backstabbers goin! S.indian n bangla gangus r nice ppl tho.

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There is a term in Hindu thought called Purva Puksha, it means looking things through another's point of view or "reversing the gaze".

I think it is important that we get an idea from the Hindu or Brahmin elite point of view what they find threatening about Sikhs.

Hindutva has a problem with Islam (for obvious reasons) but also because it comes from outside India but Sikhi is a different kettle of fish.

We as Sikhs are oblivious to the impact we make on others. We challenge the authority of things because we work outside the yolk of Brahminism and we come from the subcontinent which confuses the Brahmin even further.They envy our chardi kala ness and wish they had it themselves which is why they always try to incorporate us into the Hindu fold. But at the same time they want to destroy who we are and keep what makes us useful for them. It's like schizophrenic behaviour.

They then try to rationalise things by saying " Sikhs are sword arm of India" or "Sikhs were there to protect Hindus" They try to control the narrative.

They see things in us that we don't see.

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It probably spawned from the fact that Sikhs ended up protecting many of them during the Mughal campaign. Just imagine it like a playground. We have the Mughals as one big group (group 1) picking on the other group 2 (the hindus). Along comes group 3 (Sikhs) and starts sticking up for the victim group. Mughal group get's pushed back and dissolves. Group 3 's job is done but Group 2 feels they may be threatened again. What better protection than to have Group 3 as part of your group. So as a result they zealously try to take over. It's a very well established fact that Indians have a tendency of living in the past. Their afraid that if something happens again they won't have the same protection as they did before. If Group 1 and 3 make peace and get along, group 2 feels threatened.

Simple as that.

They want Protection but refuse to accept that Sikhs will protect anyone who needs helps. Their a force for the world, not just India.

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It probably spawned from the fact that Sikhs ended up protecting many of them during the Mughal campaign. Just imagine it like a playground. We have the Mughals as one big group (group 1) picking on the other group 2 (the hindus). Along comes group 3 (Sikhs) and starts sticking up for the victim group. Mughal group get's pushed back and dissolves. Group 3 's job is done but Group 2 feels they may be threatened again. What better protection than to have Group 3 as part of your group. So as a result they zealously try to take over. It's a very well established fact that Indians have a tendency of living in the past. Their afraid that if something happens again they won't have the same protection as they did before. If Group 1 and 3 make peace and get along, group 2 feels threatened.

Simple as that.

They want Protection but refuse to accept that Sikhs will protect anyone who needs helps. Their a force for the world, not just India.

It just happened to be Hindus, Guru Sahib would have protected anyone who came to him.

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It just happened to be Hindus, Guru Sahib would have protected anyone who came to him.

I'm well aware of that fact. the problem is radical organizations like this don't understand that.

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rss considers sikhs buddhists jains as hindus they show our gurus as hindus and if anybody questions them then he is a terrorist.

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Guru Sahib specifically warned the Khalsa from the Bammans.



'Jab lag Khalsa rahe nyaara, tab lag tej deyoon main saara,


Jab eh gahai BIPRAN KI REET, main na karon inn ki parteet".



Guru Sahib used the word Bippar which means bamman.

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In India and wherever else Indian influence reaches, the danger of the Hindutva cause to Sikhs cannot be underestimated. The thing is they're quite subtle about it, so the danger seems less imminent or serious. They're content to play the long game, gently chipping away over years and decades as we've seen with the gradual attempts at distorting Sikhi and confounding the Sikh population in Punjab. What they do isn't smart or stealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but it's smart enough for our ignorant minds not to resist.

They've taken a page out of the old American social conditioning / subterfuge book that the likes of the CIA used against the blacks back in the day, and are hitting us on many fronts such as the obvious religious, political and social, but others such as popular culture which is where we are being hurt the most IMO.

Islamic radicalism can be spotted a mile away. We've only ourselves to blame if we can't resist their surges into our territory, figuratively speaking.

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