Why Was This Thread Locked?

[Malkeetv]

Why was this thread locked www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/77789-17th-and-18th-century-rehat-maryada/

[JagsawSingh]

Probably because its full of the ramblings of a man that comes from an alcohol drinking, drug taking, dead animal eating family trying desperately to justify it in the name of religion, in order for him to feel better about himself and family. Religion however, is about sprituality, and only a complete inbecile would claim any of the above things aid sprituality. Thats probably why it was locked.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Maybe because it sounded like it was Anti-Nihang? Also it could just be one Maryada which was like that in the past I'm sure not all Maryadas were the same back then.

[Balkaar]

Probably because its full of the ramblings of a man that comes from an alcohol drinking, drug taking, dead animal eating family trying desperately to justify it in the name of religion, in order for him to feel better about himself and family. Religion however, is about sprituality, and only a complete inbecile would claim any of the above things aid sprituality. Thats probably why it was locked.

Nevertheless, he has a right to say those things.

We cannot even begin to imagine the hardships that were endured by the Khalsa of old. We who have never known that kind of suffering can hardly begrudge them the things they did to survive, or relieve the weight of their circumstances. When you're being chased by head hunters and ekeing out a living in a hostile jungle, it is understandable that practical concerns can supersede spiritual ones.

[dallysingh101]

Probably because its full of the ramblings of a man that comes from an alcohol drinking, drug taking, dead animal eating family trying desperately to justify it in the name of religion, in order for him to feel better about himself and family. Religion however, is about sprituality, and only a complete inbecile would claim any of the above things aid sprituality. Thats probably why it was locked.

Is that your description of Rattan Singh Bhangu and his family, or are you talking about posters?

[Malkeetv]

Probably because its full of the ramblings of a man that comes from an alcohol drinking, drug taking, dead animal eating family trying desperately to justify it in the name of religion, in order for him to feel better about himself and family. Religion however, is about sprituality, and only a complete inbecile would claim any of the above things aid sprituality. Thats probably why it was locked.

How do you know that my family is alcoholic, drug consuming and dead animal eating? If you call yourself spiritual then your sarcasm and tone shows your spirituality. And do you think that those thousands of Sikhs in the 17th and 18th century who forfeited their lives for our freedom were not spiritual? And how do you define spirituality? That thread was a discussion of the rehat in the past versus that of the present. It was not about spirituality or what Sikhs should consume or not consume. Scholarly work requires an open mind and removal of cognitive biases and wishful thinking. Thanks for replying anyway. This shows how people select their version of history based on thier major premises. It's also called confirmation bias.

[Malkeetv]

Nevertheless, he has a right to say those things.

We cannot even begin to imagine the hardships that were endured by the Khalsa of old. We who have never known that kind of suffering can hardly begrudge them the things they did to survive, or relieve the weight of their circumstances. When you're being chased by head hunters and ekeing out a living in a hostile jungle, it is understandable that practical concerns can supersede spiritual ones.

It can't be said that the Practical concerns superseded the spriritual ones for the Khalsa because they had their Kesh unshorn even when thier was a reward on their heads and also all Sikhs adhered to the ban on tobacco.

[Malkeetv]

It can't be said that the Practical concerns superseded the spriritual ones for the Khalsa because they had their Kesh unshorn even when thier was a reward on their heads and also all Sikhs adhered to the ban on tobacco.

I think the past rehat should be seen in the light of spirituality/temporality concept of Sikhi

[Balkaar]

It can't be said that the Practical concerns superseded the spriritual ones for the Khalsa because they had their Kesh unshorn even when thier was a reward on their heads and also all Sikhs adhered to the ban on tobacco.

Tobacco can never be said to be necessary for survival, and it has no medicinal properties. It can't be compared to being forced to consume meat or cannabis. When your family are crying out in hunger and in pain because they can't properly digest the tree bark they've been forced to eat, you'd be a fool to do nothing if a wild boar, whose meat could feed your family for days, trotted past. And if you're severely injured you might also consider using cannabis to dull the excruciating pain. It's no different from taking painkillers - getting high wasn't the object in taking it.

I ought to mention that I don't think there's anything un-spiritual about eating meat.

[dallysingh101]

It can't be said that the Practical concerns superseded the spriritual ones for the Khalsa because they had their Kesh unshorn even when thier was a reward on their heads and also all Sikhs adhered to the ban on tobacco.

When you seriously start studying history you discover all manner of hidden things. The point you made (highlighted above) isn't true according to Bhangu's Panth Prakash.

He explicitly mentions how the Khalsa tolerated the smoking of someone who was part of the Moghul government but an undercover sehaj-dhari Sikh. His name was Kaura Mal. This guy would forewarn the Khalsa of impending Moghul attacks and send supplies when they were surrounded. Apparently they made him pay fines for his smoking huqqa but he was well loved.

This IS NOT (!!!) any attempt on my part to justify, encourage, excuse smoking before anyone jumps on that wagon! I'm just exploring what I've discovered whilst exploring my own literary heritage!

I think what has happened today is that the Sikh masses have been so conditioned by a particular, white washed account of their history that many have sadly become incapable of exploring their own beautiful and rich literary heritage because they experience hardcore dissonance with what they sometimes encounter because it is so different from their preconceptions of the past. It's sad really but very common.