How Muslims Spread Their Religion

[FireFistAce]

It's not as simple as that:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324039/Like-Lauren-Booth-ARE-modern-British-career-women-converting-Islam.html

People often get culture and religion mixed up. Arabs in the old days before Islam used to bury their daughters alive. And in the Indian subcontinent, we all used to be Hindus who would burn their widows.

Arab and Indian cultures to this day are still backwards and patriarchial.

Like how Sikhism is supposed to be egalitarian but you always see a drunk "Jatt" father beating his wife, which only encourages the daughter to rebel. The drinking and wife beating is "Punjabi culture" not anything to do with religion.

[genie]

People often get culture and religion mixed up. Arabs in the old days before Islam used to bury their daughters alive.

This is why most people on the forum think your a muslim.

The propaganda that muslims peddle out is that arabs used to bury their daughters yet where is your proof? Any non-baised non-islamic sources?

Even if that was the case and that is what they used to do to show how bad women were treated before islam and what rights they had then explain to me how khadijah prophet muhammads first wife was able to be a rich business woman and have muhammad work for her before he started to get the strange visions to start new abrahmic cult of islam?

Also explain to me how comes women were allowed to be musicians, goddesses, poets and warriors in pre-islamic pagan hindu arab societies but after islam came around all those freedoms and female orientated rights were slashed under punishment of death? How did islam liberate women from oppression? more like it put women under more oppression from being able to truly think and express themselves.

[FireFistAce]

This is why most people on the forum think your a muslim.

The propaganda that muslims peddle out is that arabs used to bury their daughters yet where is your proof? Any non-baised non-islamic sources?

Even if that was the case and that is what they used to do to show how bad women were treated before islam and what rights they had then explain to me how khadijah prophet muhammads first wife was able to be a rich business woman and have muhammad work for her before he started to get the strange visions to start new abrahmic cult of islam?

Also explain to me how comes women were allowed to be musicians, goddesses, poets and warriors in pre-islamic pagan hindu arab societies but after islam came around all those freedoms and female orientated rights were slashed under punishment of death? How did islam liberate women from oppression? more like it put women under more oppression from being able to truly think and express themselves.

This is a HUGE myth that women in Hindu India were more liberated than they are now. I've studied Indian history. Google "Ashvamedha" and you'll understand. It was a ritual that after having conquered a kingdom, the Hindu King would have one of his wives (they used to have loads of wives) basically have sex with the horse.

[genie]

This is a HUGE myth that women in Hindu India were more liberated than they are now. I've studied Indian history. Google "Ashvamedha" and you'll understand. It was a ritual that after having conquered a kingdom, the Hindu King would have one of his wives (they used to have loads of wives) basically have sex with the horse.

I'm not on about Hindu's we all known on this forum that Hindu women and non-high caste hindus in general were violently oppressed hence why Sikhism came about and was a danger to the ruling Indian powers of the day.

You failed to address the questions on Islam I put to you. Muslims know in their hearts that women had it pretty good pre-islam but because they need brownie points from muhammad to interceed on them on day of judgement before allah they cant go against the brainwashing propaganda they been fed about non-muslim societies before and after islam's advent.

I know how the muslim mind works and it is brainwashed pretty hard. Only once the muslim gets some intelligence and ability to think freely will he/she begin to criticise the shortcomings of Islam, muhammad and quran/hadiths. Eventually free themselves from this violent backward abrahmic cult

[13Mirch]

Islam spreads through fear, deceit, and Taqiyaa. 'Nuff said.

[jkvlondon]

This is why most people on the forum think your a muslim.

The propaganda that muslims peddle out is that arabs used to bury their daughters yet where is your proof? Any non-baised non-islamic sources?

Even if that was the case and that is what they used to do to show how bad women were treated before islam and what rights they had then explain to me how khadijah prophet muhammads first wife was able to be a rich business woman and have muhammad work for her before he started to get the strange visions to start new abrahmic cult of islam?

Also explain to me how comes women were allowed to be musicians, goddesses, poets and warriors in pre-islamic pagan hindu arab societies but after islam came around all those freedoms and female orientated rights were slashed under punishment of death? How did islam liberate women from oppression? more like it put women under more oppression from being able to truly think and express themselves.

Khadija was a widow of about forty , it is probable she inherited the business from her late husband , Muhammed worked for her before wooing and marrying her. Arab culture is not respectful of women as individuals now or in the past , usually society improves by realising their shortcomings but this has not been the case in Arabia. The Abrahmic religions are all misogynistic to some extent , perhaps Jesus wasn't as he had female followers who preached but we know his followers post-Jesus set up the bible and church to cast woman in a bad light and to remove them from a central role in Christianity.

[Jeevan]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278018/How-young-Saudis-drink-despite-country-s-strong-laws-tipple-choice-99-cent-proof-alcohol.html

The real Arabian nights: Extraordinary picture shows drunk, burka-clad woman passed out in a Saudi street as ex-pats lift lid on secret debauchery

• Police usually turn a blind eye to parties behind Western compound walls
• But it is claimed they also ignore the wild parties thrown by Saudis
• Ex-pats reveal Saudis brew super-strength alcohol made from potatoes
• Rising numbers are now also taking Captagon - the drug favoured by ISIS

By Flora Drury For Mailonline

Published: 17:05, 18 October 2015 | Updated: 18:49, 18 October 2015

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It is not a picture one expects to see coming out of Saudi Arabia: a burka-clad woman, lying down drunk in the streets of the capital.

But ex-pats have revealed how this is not a surprising sight, as young Saudis do drink and take drugs at debauched gatherings - despite their countries strict laws.

Westerners - who themselves admit to wild parties on compounds in the desert state - have lifted the lid on the excesses of their Saudi neighbours, including a growing taste for a drug used by ISIS fighters before they go into battle.

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Wild parties: The western compounds have always been known for their parties, but Saudis also engage in drinking and drug taking, according to ex-pats. The claims are backed up by this picture, apparently of a woman in a burqa passed out on the streets of Ridyah, despite the country's strict laws

Dry: Technically, selling alcohol is banned in Riyadh, and all Saudi cities, but ex-pats say it is freely available

Falling foul of the law: British grandfather Karl Andree has been jailed for the last 12 months, after he was found with alcohol in his car. He now faces the prospect of 350 lashes for a couple of bottles of wine

Their claims came as the picture of the 'drunk' woman emerged, apparently collapsed after a gathering held in the capital Riyadh - one of many held in the strictly Muslim country, right beneath the nose of the strict authorities.

It throws into question exactly why British grandfather Karl Andree has been sentenced to 350 lashes for having a few bottles of homemade wine in his car when the authorities are known to turn a blind eye to the excesses of its residents - for a price.

In theory, alcohol is banned. At worst, a person caught with alcohol can be put to death. Most of the time, however, they are sentenced to lashes and time behind bar, like Mr Andree.

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However, that doesn't stop people from brewing, buying and consuming alcohol in vast consequences - especially within the walled compounds where westerners live.

'The parties are pretty crazy even by western standards,' one ex-pat told the Sunday Mirror.

Tony, another ex-pat, told the BBC that while the compounds are like 'holiday camps' - but the Saudis were just as likely to be found with a drink in their hand.

'There is quite a drinking culture with the Saudis themselves,' he said.

'Most of the guys that I socialise with have stocks of Jack Daniels and other booze, as well as buying stuff that some of the expats brew.'

Harsh: Punishment for those caught with alcohol can be death, but is more usually prison and flogging

Risk: Despite this, young Saudis are known to make their own alcohol, some at a shocking 99 per cent prooof

They also are known to make their own 99 per cent proof moonshine, made from potatoes, the Mirror's source revealed.

The partying culture is nothing new. Five years ago, Wikileaks revealed how a Saudi prince threw a party for 150 20 and 30-somethings, where booze was flowing freely and prostitutes mingled with the super-rich.

Attendees were protected from the authorities thanks to their host's royal status, according to an American diplomat, the Guardian reported.

The dispatch also revealed a bottle of Smirnoff vodka could fetch as much as 1,500 riyals (£250), while the local version will cost just 100 riyals (£16).

But it doesn't stop at drink: the Mirror's source also revealed how rich young Saudis have got a taste for the Syrian-made drug Captagon - a drug used by ISIS fighters.

It has previously been reported that the drug is used to keep the fighters on both sides of the bloody conflict alert, allowing them to fight for longer.

However, the source claimed: 'Rich young Saudi men love it and it has led to a deadly craze known as Drifting where they speed expensive sports cars up to 100mph and then slam on the hand brake for fun.'

Read more:

• 'Devout' Saudis partying on booze, drugs and hookers while Briton faces flogging which could kill him - Mirror Online
• WikiLeaks cables: Saudi princes throw parties boasting drink, drugs and sex | World news | The Guardian
• Saudi Arabia drinking: The risks expats take for a tipple - BBC News

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278018/How-young-Saudis-drink-despite-country-s-strong-laws-tipple-choice-99-cent-proof-alcohol.html

The real Arabian nights: Extraordinary picture shows drunk, burka-clad woman passed out in a Saudi street as ex-pats lift lid on secret debauchery

• Police usually turn a blind eye to parties behind Western compound walls
• But it is claimed they also ignore the wild parties thrown by Saudis
• Ex-pats reveal Saudis brew super-strength alcohol made from potatoes
• Rising numbers are now also taking Captagon - the drug favoured by ISIS

By Flora Drury For Mailonline

Published: 17:05, 18 October 2015 | Updated: 18:49, 18 October 2015

70 shares

View comments

It is not a picture one expects to see coming out of Saudi Arabia: a burka-clad woman, lying down drunk in the streets of the capital.

But ex-pats have revealed how this is not a surprising sight, as young Saudis do drink and take drugs at debauched gatherings - despite their countries strict laws.

Westerners - who themselves admit to wild parties on compounds in the desert state - have lifted the lid on the excesses of their Saudi neighbours, including a growing taste for a drug used by ISIS fighters before they go into battle.

Scroll down for video

+6

Wild parties: The western compounds have always been known for their parties, but Saudis also engage in drinking and drug taking, according to ex-pats. The claims are backed up by this picture, apparently of a woman in a burqa passed out on the streets of Ridyah, despite the country's strict laws

Dry: Technically, selling alcohol is banned in Riyadh, and all Saudi cities, but ex-pats say it is freely available

Falling foul of the law: British grandfather Karl Andree has been jailed for the last 12 months, after he was found with alcohol in his car. He now faces the prospect of 350 lashes for a couple of bottles of wine

Their claims came as the picture of the 'drunk' woman emerged, apparently collapsed after a gathering held in the capital Riyadh - one of many held in the strictly Muslim country, right beneath the nose of the strict authorities.

It throws into question exactly why British grandfather Karl Andree has been sentenced to 350 lashes for having a few bottles of homemade wine in his car when the authorities are known to turn a blind eye to the excesses of its residents - for a price.

In theory, alcohol is banned. At worst, a person caught with alcohol can be put to death. Most of the time, however, they are sentenced to lashes and time behind bar, like Mr Andree.

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However, that doesn't stop people from brewing, buying and consuming alcohol in vast consequences - especially within the walled compounds where westerners live.

'The parties are pretty crazy even by western standards,' one ex-pat told the Sunday Mirror.

Tony, another ex-pat, told the BBC that while the compounds are like 'holiday camps' - but the Saudis were just as likely to be found with a drink in their hand.

'There is quite a drinking culture with the Saudis themselves,' he said.

'Most of the guys that I socialise with have stocks of Jack Daniels and other booze, as well as buying stuff that some of the expats brew.'

Harsh: Punishment for those caught with alcohol can be death, but is more usually prison and flogging

Risk: Despite this, young Saudis are known to make their own alcohol, some at a shocking 99 per cent prooof

They also are known to make their own 99 per cent proof moonshine, made from potatoes, the Mirror's source revealed.

The partying culture is nothing new. Five years ago, Wikileaks revealed how a Saudi prince threw a party for 150 20 and 30-somethings, where booze was flowing freely and prostitutes mingled with the super-rich.

Attendees were protected from the authorities thanks to their host's royal status, according to an American diplomat, the Guardian reported.

The dispatch also revealed a bottle of Smirnoff vodka could fetch as much as 1,500 riyals (£250), while the local version will cost just 100 riyals (£16).

But it doesn't stop at drink: the Mirror's source also revealed how rich young Saudis have got a taste for the Syrian-made drug Captagon - a drug used by ISIS fighters.

It has previously been reported that the drug is used to keep the fighters on both sides of the bloody conflict alert, allowing them to fight for longer.

However, the source claimed: 'Rich young Saudi men love it and it has led to a deadly craze known as Drifting where they speed expensive sports cars up to 100mph and then slam on the hand brake for fun.'

Read more:

• 'Devout' Saudis partying on booze, drugs and hookers while Briton faces flogging which could kill him - Mirror Online
• WikiLeaks cables: Saudi princes throw parties boasting drink, drugs and sex | World news | The Guardian
• Saudi Arabia drinking: The risks expats take for a tipple - BBC News

All of this is well known. The Saudi royal family is among the worst group of people on the planet. Saud family was so scared after 2011, that their arms purchases quadrupled. In 2014 Saudi Arabia was the biggest importer of weapons in the world. They are using them to crush uprisings in Arabia and Yemen.

[genie]

Forget saudi everyone knows that house of saud was put in place by their western pay masters to control the muslim population and the access their holiest sites so that the yummy black gold called oil would keep flowing to the west and keep the economies running smoothly.

If some people still think saudi's are purest and best muslims then we can also believe that richard dawkings is a muslim too and Elvis is alive on some moon base with the aliens who kidnapped him lol.

[Kira]

Forget saudi everyone knows that house of saud was put in place by their western pay masters to control the muslim population and the access their holiest sites so that the yummy black gold called oil would keep flowing to the west and keep the economies running smoothly.

If some people still think saudi's are purest and best muslims then we can also believe that richard dawkings is a muslim too and Elvis is alive on some moon base with the aliens who kidnapped him lol.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3270860/Former-radar-tracking-officer-U-S-Air-Force-claims-remembered-bizarre-shocking-incidents-hypnosis.html

There may be some truth in that :stupidme: :stupidme: