Do Sikhs Hate Atheism?

[CharlieBravoTango 3]

Today, my mother showed me some path on the tv and it showed this Sikh telling everyone in the gurdwara, that people who don't believe in God who say they are happy, but they actually not and they pretend. I guess he is saying that Atheism is bad? For Sikhism we don't discriminate people's beliefs, but for the path on the tv the guy is saying people who don't believe in God are unhappy. I asked my mom and she believed it, yet she told me that people can believe anything they want. I am so confused and I don't believe that stuff at all. It was on ATV, a Gurdwara Sahib Damesh Surrey, BC.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon 774]

The guy on TV sounds like an <banned word filter activated> to me. Whoever he was.

[simran345 2,500]

[jkvlondon 4,973]

Today, my mother showed me some path on the tv and it showed this Sikh telling everyone in the gurdwara, that people who don't believe in God who say they are happy, but they actually not and they pretend. I guess he is saying that Atheism is bad? For Sikhism we don't discriminate people's beliefs, but for the path on the tv the guy is saying people who don't believe in God are unhappy. I asked my mom and she believed it, yet she told me that people can believe anything they want. I am so confused and I don't believe that stuff at all. It was on ATV, a Gurdwara Sahib Damesh Surrey, BC.

We all want to be happy deep down but we can search through different avenues to reach there , some paths can be successful other not so much , but first you have to consider what is happiness ? is it purely owning stuff, or is it dependent on others i.e. their treatment of us ? Is is earning a big name or fame ? If you boil it all down it all gets to a point where you realise you are searching for something outside of you to satisfy that internal need for peace (the silencing of that restlessness/the demanding nature inside for more experiences etc) .What Sikhi shows us is that peace was always there it's just that our minds haven't twigged yet. when we do prayer we connect with that inner peace via the multiverse conciousness/Waheguru , that is not to say you cannot reach realisation through other religions. When you deny the existence of Waheguru you kind of remove yourself from the paths which help you towards self-realisation so it is harder to achieve that higher level of happiness/peace. No sikhs don't hate atheists they accept all people are living out their karma and some people are destined to be atheiest, agnostic, nominally of a faith, deeply faithful or even saints according to their previous actions and actions of this life.

[superkaur 386]

Today, my mother showed me some path on the tv and it showed this Sikh telling everyone in the gurdwara, that people who don't believe in God who say they are happy, but they actually not and they pretend. I guess he is saying that Atheism is bad? For Sikhism we don't discriminate people's beliefs, but for the path on the tv the guy is saying people who don't believe in God are unhappy. I asked my mom and she believed it, yet she told me that people can believe anything they want. I am so confused and I don't believe that stuff at all. It was on ATV, a Gurdwara Sahib Damesh Surrey, BC.

hate is a strong word. I wouldn't say hate but Sikh's view atheism as foolish. Similarly Sikhs don't hate other religions or spiritual ideologies but they think the other paths are foolish and wrong.

When gurbani talks about all paths leading to God, lets just say the other paths take so long to get to God you will have to go through many lifetimes to become human and Sikh again to get to God. So why go through the hard way and take detours with other religions when you can get to God directly through Sikhis. Furthermore If you are of other beliefs when you die you will get reincarnated and come back into lifeforms (plants, insects, animals, humans,etc) again and I'm sure thats something all of us want to avoid.

[jkvlondon 4,973]

hate is a strong word. I wouldn't say hate but Sikh's view atheism as foolish. Similarly Sikhs don't hate other religions or spiritual ideologies but they think the other paths are foolish and wrong.

When gurbani talks about all paths leading to God, lets just say the other paths take so long to get to God you will have to go through many lifetimes to become human and Sikh again to get to God. So why go through the hard way and take detours with other religions when you can get to God directly through Sikhis. Furthermore If you are of other beliefs when you die you will get reincarnated and come back into lifeforms (plants, insects, animals, humans,etc) again and I'm sure thats something all of us want to avoid.

foolish and wrong ? I think you need to stop being judgemental and centre yourself on SIkhi principles , love is acceptance of someone warts and all , non-conditional if you cannot love your fellow siblings on this planet because of your perception then you have picked up what Guru ji told you to drop 'the sense of superiority' . We all are here , with the same mission, few will make it, some will draw closer to end goal but most will fall prey to delusion of this world ... have compassion and realise it is all down to Akal Purakh's judgement and Kirpa/Grace .'jiv manas te devta kiye karat nahin lagi //' an instant for kirpa .

[superkaur 386]

foolish and wrong ? I think you need to stop being judgemental and centre yourself on SIkhi principles , love is acceptance of someone warts and all , non-conditional if you cannot love your fellow siblings on this planet because of your perception then you have picked up what Guru ji told you to drop 'the sense of superiority' . We all are here , with the same mission, few will make it, some will draw closer to end goal but most will fall prey to delusion of this world ... have compassion and realise it is all down to Akal Purakh's judgement and Kirpa/Grace .'jiv manas te devta kiye karat nahin lagi //' an instant for kirpa .

Wrong and this is why you fall into the camp of non-Sikh with that kind of thinking.

In your logical you will tell a Sikh there is nothing wrong with converting to other religion and especially destructive negative religions like Islam that want to see us all killed or converted as their end goal.

Also by your logical there is no need for Sikhi because you can be any religion and still get to God so to a non-sikh they will think why the need for this religion that allegedly forces you to wear a turban, not cut your hair, carry a weapon,etc.

Your logic fails and its dangerous for you to spread this kind of message to yourself or others. Sikhi is about spreading Guru Ji's light to the darkness of other beliefs, those other belief systems are inferior to Sikhi otherwise why the need for Guru nanak to critise and mock them in SGGS Ji? You need to wake up and see the bigger picture.

[dallysingh101 1,729]

Life is weird. Some atheists I've met have been more moral than many 'religious' people I've met, some of whom can be really egoist, ruthless, petty and two-faced. But I still find atheist's lack of any spirituality weird. Some of them are cool but some of them have this scarcely hidden contempt for anyone with religious beliefs, whom they deem as backwards and primitive like Richard Dawkins vocally does. So they can have their own egoist issues with some perceived sense of superiority over perceived 'weak minded' people unable to break away from their religious beliefs and practices.

Some of them think religious people are following some outdated 'medieval' texts that are either irrelevant in today's world - at best, or outright dangerous at worst. My guess is that they see stuff like dress codes, regular prayers, keeping marriages within communities boundaries, dietary restrictions etc. as unnecessary and silly?

[scali 214]

Creation is already finished. One chooses an aspect of what they want to experience and experiences that. Sikh choose path of meregence with the source. One has a free will to choose what they want to experience Athesism, agnostic, selfish, greedy you name it you can expeience it. If GOD allows free will who are Sikhs to hate Athesist or anyone for their choice, unless their free will is revoked by else than they have a right to defend themselves.

[dallysingh101 1,729]

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Some atheists are real jerks though. I've often heard them moaning that 'religion is root cause of all war'; but they ignorantly ignore the fact that race and economic issues and greed for resources are more often the root causes of war. Some atheists do have a tendency to try and lay blame for all of societies ills at the religion's door in a way that makes no sense.

[superkaur 386]

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Some atheists are real jerks though. I've often heard them moaning that 'religion is root cause of all war'; but they ignorantly ignore the fact that race and economic issues and greed for resources are more often the root causes of war. Some atheists do have a tendency to try and lay blame for all of societies ills at the religion's door in a way that makes no sense.

Most if your all atheists have said that also and this is why they need to be slapped down with facts.

Most of atheist western governments are made up of politicians who are mostly atheist secularists and they have sanctioned wars that have killed milions of people majority of them innocent civilians in countries aboard in the last 2 centuries. Hitler was occulist/atheist in nature, Stalin was atheist, chinese communists are atheists, most violent criminal prison populations are majority atheist followed by muslims.

So atheists and atheism has the unenvious position top stop of killing innocent civilians and alot to answer for in terms of political terrorism and violent criminality follows by muslims.

As for morality that comes from religions, if there is no higher being to answer to for your sins or crimes against fellow man then logically you are free to do what you like apart from fellow man who has more physical strength judging you and stopping you.

[Balkaar 1,332]

Most if your all atheists have said that also and this is why they need to be slapped down with facts.

Most of atheist western governments are made up of politicians who are mostly atheist secularists and they have sanctioned wars that have killed milions of people majority of them innocent civilians in countries aboard in the last 2 centuries. Hitler was occulist/atheist in nature, Stalin was atheist, chinese communists are atheists, most violent criminal prison populations are majority atheist followed by muslims.

Hitler, Stalin and Mao were all treated as gods in their own right. The personality cults established in their names (which produced images of them surrounded by haloes, among other things) were not very different from those of Christ or Muhammad. Make no mistake, the religious impulse thrived in Soviet Russia, Communist China and Nazi Germany, even if the opposite was claimed to be true. In each instance strict religiosity was just obscured beneath a veneer of nominal 'atheism'. Show me a system of government which truly lives by the ideals of Jefferson (not America, which flagrantly violates the ideals of its founding fathers in spite of all the grovelling lip service it directs at them) or Socrates which has committed moral outrages akin to those of the great religions and I will admit that your point has some weight to it.

I also wouldn't attempt to engage atheists with facts. Regretabbly, the grounds of logic and deduction are atheist home turf. We believers should content ourselves with the purity of faith, which defies all logic and doesn't really rest upon much evidence.

As to the original question, most of us don't hate atheists. Most of them are quite well-educated and articulate. not all Dawkins worshipping crazies with neckbeards and fedoras by any means.

[MisterrSingh 3,341]

As for morality that comes from religions, if there is no higher being to answer to for your sins or crimes against fellow man then logically you are free to do what you like apart from fellow man who has more physical strength judging you and stopping you.

I'm rather religious (I hope), but morality does not come from religion.

If the only reason you're stopping yourself from doing bad things is because you're afraid God is going to smack you down for being naughty, I'd say you're an innately terrible person who only does good due to the fear of punishment for doing otherwise.

Atheists have morals, else the prisons would be full of middle-aged biologists who've hacked up fellow human beings for the most trivial of issues. What they lack is faith.

[dallysingh101 1,729]

You have to be careful with the 'religion = ethics/morals' argument. We all know religion can, has and is used to justify the most violent, sick depraved actions too.

It's the way that certain atheists used religion as some sort of whipping boy for all mankind's ills and try to represent certain practices as backwards and archaic that's my gripe with them.

All humans need certain 'rituals', dress codes and 'myths/legends' (if you want to call them as such) to stabilise and normalise their lives within their society. If we were to study even the most vehement atheist's day to day living over a long period, we'd find that they too have these in some form or another. What is hypocritical is when they try and demean other culture's practices, which are stemmed in their own history/context claiming to be above such things themselves. Certain highly educated white people are especially rubbish like this, especially when so many romanticise the Greeks and their history and see nothing wrong with drawing lessons and knowledge from the myths that that society generated.

I get that some really simple minded individuals engage with their religion in a really brainless way, where there is no intellectual dimension to it all. Blind dogma if you like. But to suggest that ALL followers of religion are like this (which is what is often subtly implied) is obviously wrong.

[CharlieBravoTango 3]

We all want to be happy deep down but we can search through different avenues to reach there , some paths can be successful other not so much , but first you have to consider what is happiness ? is it purely owning stuff, or is it dependent on others i.e. their treatment of us ? Is is earning a big name or fame ? If you boil it all down it all gets to a point where you realise you are searching for something outside of you to satisfy that internal need for peace (the silencing of that restlessness/the demanding nature inside for more experiences etc) .What Sikhi shows us is that peace was always there it's just that our minds haven't twigged yet. when we do prayer we connect with that inner peace via the multiverse conciousness/Waheguru , that is not to say you cannot reach realisation through other religions. When you deny the existence of Waheguru you kind of remove yourself from the paths which help you towards self-realisation so it is harder to achieve that higher level of happiness/peace. No sikhs don't hate atheists they accept all people are living out their karma and some people are destined to be atheiest, agnostic, nominally of a faith, deeply faithful or even saints according to their previous actions and actions of this life.

Thank you so much!