Waheguru Is Real - So Be Inspired And Keep Up Your Simran And Bhagti

[MisterrSingh]

So in other words the reality of the situation is I am a pakhadi bibi being corrected by pakhadi babe?

For your kind info my childhood was spent in a house without a refrigerator and I slept in the living room on a bed which was assembled of petiya and wooden boxes. If that makes you happy.

Predictably, you've missed the point of the complaints.

Nobody, certainly not myself, has claimed you're manufacturing anything. I believe you're telling the truth, in as much as you saw and felt what you claimed you did. What I'm questioning are your motivations.

Also, the strength of one's religiosity and spirituality is not measured by how difficult you, or anyone else, has had it in life. That way lies an almost inverse snobbery, whereby the assumption is that only the destitute are capable of realising God. (Although I believe that to be untrue, a cursory glance at modern religious Sikhs does send mixed signals to anyone who cares to observe such issues. But that's a subject for another time.)

Again, nobody is saying that at all. What I am saying is, per your own words, you unwittingly revealed a glaring insight into your mind, when you defined getting an extension done as the contributor to a hugely stressful year. That's such a terribly middle class thing to say, lol. It showcases an insensitivity to people who experience genuine hardships and stresses not brought upon the shallow inconvenience of having their comfortable existence perturbed for a few weeks due to having thousands of pounds available to extend their home, adding further value to their property. You made it sound as if you were undergoing a life-destroying ordeal; how does one justify demanding or wishing for a holy experience in such mundane and unimportant circumstances?

If that's all you've known, then you can't really be blamed. But some awareness beyond your own existence would've told you that others find God through the most trying of circumstances, and to hear someone sermonising about their experiences, which really aren't that exceptional, only serves to promote even further the belief that God is not real, and that these experiences are self-willed and self-induced, especially if he turns up to comfort someone who's flustered at getting their house extended! All those souls who pray for comfort and darshan when being abused; suffering from starvation; suffering from life-threatening illnesses, why does He not offer them affirmation as to His existence? So, you see how that can damage people's faith?

I did not mean to upset you or cast doubt on the validity of your experiences. For any crossed wires, I sincerely apologise.

[simran345]

I think females are the ones who mostly sing this shabad at sat sangs. It is written by Guru Arjan Dev Ji.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/20123-darshan-dekh-jeeva-gur-tera-pooran-karam-hoe-prabh-mera/

I don't understand how you figured this out from the shabads in the link ? Please explain. I don't agree with it, how does one know that the males are not singing either.

There is no mention of gender in either shabad from my understanding, unless I'm missing something?

ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

सिरीरागु महला ५ ॥

Sirīrāg mėhlā 5.

Sri Rag, Fifth Guru.

ਸਭੇ ਥੋਕ ਪਰਾਪਤੇ ਜੇ ਆਵੈ ਇਕੁ ਹਥਿ ॥

सभे थोक परापते जे आवै इकु हथि ॥

Sabẖe thok parāpaṯe je āvai ik hath.

I receive all the commodities if Him alone I obtain.

ਜਨਮੁ ਪਦਾਰਥੁ ਸਫਲੁ ਹੈ ਜੇ ਸਚਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਥਿ ॥

जनमु पदारथु सफलु है जे सचा सबदु कथि ॥

Janam paḏārath safal hai je sacẖā sabaḏ kath.

The invaluable human life become fruitful, if the True Name be repeated.

ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਮਹਲੁ ਪਰਾਪਤੇ ਜਿਸੁ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਥਿ ॥੧॥

गुर ते महलु परापते जिसु लिखिआ होवै मथि ॥१॥

Gur ṯe mahal parāpaṯe jis likẖi▫ā hovai math. ||1||

He, whose brow bear such a writ, obtains Lord presence through the Guru.

ਮੇਰੇ ਮਨ ਏਕਸ ਸਿਉ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥

मेरे मन एकस सिउ चितु लाइ ॥

Mere man ekas si▫o cẖiṯ lā▫e.

O my soul! fix thy attention with the one Lord.

ਏਕਸ ਬਿਨੁ ਸਭ ਧੰਧੁ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਮਿਥਿਆ ਮੋਹੁ ਮਾਇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

एकस बिनु सभ धंधु है सभ मिथिआ मोहु माइ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Ėkas bin sabẖ ḏẖanḏẖ hai sabẖ mithi▫ā moh mā▫e. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Without one all else is but an entanglement. the love of mammon is all false. Pause.

ਲਖ ਖੁਸੀਆ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀਆ ਜੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥

लख खुसीआ पातिसाहीआ जे सतिगुरु नदरि करेइ ॥

Lakẖ kẖusī▫ā pāṯisāhī▫ā je saṯgur naḏar kare▫i.

If the True Guru casts His merciful glance, I enjoy the happiness of lakhs of empires.

ਨਿਮਖ ਏਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦੇਇ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਤਨੁ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਹੋਇ ॥

निमख एक हरि नामु देइ मेरा मनु तनु सीतलु होइ ॥

Nimakẖ ek har nām ḏe▫e merā man ṯan sīṯal ho▫e.

Were he to bless me with His Name even for a trance, my soul and body will become cool.

ਜਿਸ ਕਉ ਪੂਰਬਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤਿਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਚਰਨ ਗਹੇ ॥੨॥

जिस कउ पूरबि लिखिआ तिनि सतिगुर चरन गहे ॥२॥

Jis ka▫o pūrab likẖi▫ā ṯin saṯgur cẖaran gahe. ||2||

They, who are so pre-ordained. hold fast the feet of the True Guru.

SGGS Ang 44

?? Dhan Guru Arjan Dev ji

[simran345]

ਸੂਹੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ सूही महला ५ ॥

Sūhī mėhlā 5.

Suhi 5th Guru.

ਦਰਸਨੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਜੀਵਾ ਗੁਰ ਤੇਰਾ ॥

दरसनु देखि जीवा गुर तेरा ॥

Ḏarsan ḏekẖ jīvā gur ṯerā.

O my Guru, I live seeing thine vision.

ਪੂਰਨ ਕਰਮੁ ਹੋਇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਰਾ ॥੧॥

पूरन करमु होइ प्रभ मेरा ॥१॥

Pūran karam ho▫e parabẖ merā. ||1||

Like this my destiny is completed, O Lord.

ਇਹ ਬੇਨੰਤੀ ਸੁਣਿ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਰੇ ॥

इह बेनंती सुणि प्रभ मेरे ॥

Ih benanṯī suṇ parabẖ mere.

Hear this my supplication, O my Lord.

ਦੇਹਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਿ ਅਪਣੇ ਚੇਰੇ ॥੧॥

ਰਹਾਉ ॥ देहि नामु करि अपणे चेरे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Ḏėh nām kar apṇe cẖere. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Bless me with Thy Name and make me Thy slave. Pause.

ਅਪਣੀ ਸਰਣਿ ਰਾਖੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦਾਤੇ ॥

अपणी सरणि राखु प्रभ दाते ॥

Apṇī saraṇ rākẖ parabẖ ḏāṯe.

My Beneficent Lord, keep Thou me under Thine protection.

ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਕਿਨੈ ਵਿਰਲੈ ਜਾਤੇ ॥੨॥

गुर प्रसादि किनै विरलै जाते ॥२॥

Gur parsāḏ kinai virlai jāṯe. ||2||

By Guru's grace, some rare person understands Thee.

ਸੁਨਹੁ ਬਿਨਉ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਮੇਰੇ ਮੀਤਾ ॥

सुनहु बिनउ प्रभ मेरे मीता ॥

Sunhu bin▫o parabẖ mere mīṯā.

O Lord, my friend, hear Thou my supplication.

ਚਰਣ ਕਮਲ ਵਸਹਿ ਮੇਰੈ ਚੀਤਾ ॥੩॥

चरण कमल वसहि मेरै चीता ॥३॥

Cẖaraṇ kamal vasėh merai cẖīṯā. ||3||

May Thine lotus feet abide within my mind.

ਨਾਨਕੁ ਏਕ ਕਰੈ ਅਰਦਾਸਿ ॥

नानकु एक करै अरदासि ॥

Nānak ek karai arḏās.

Nanak makes one prayer,

ਵਿਸਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਪੂਰਨ ਗੁਣਤਾਸਿ ॥੪॥੧੮॥੨੪॥

विसरु नाही पूरन गुणतासि ॥४॥१८॥२४॥

visar nāhī pūran guṇṯās. ||4||18||24||

that I may not forget Thee, O Thou the Perfect Treasure of virtues.

SGGS Ang 742

?? Dhan Guru Arjan Dev ji

[simran345]

" When a spiritual experience occurs you do not realise that you were actually praying for it. "

Sikhni777 penji, I don't wish to offend you, but there are some sentences of yours I don't agree with, such as this one above also.

My understanding is that Waheguru are the ones that grace the experience, not us praying for it. People maybe praying, but it does not mean their praying is the cause of the experience. Their devotion towards Waheguru may play a part in the nimrata and love they have for Waheguru, but I feel it is Waheguru that actually graces in their Hukam. Una de hath dorh a, Sade nai ji. They can give an experience to whoever they wish, regardless of how much they pray for it.

Although it nice for you that you had an experience, which you should cherish yourself.

But, who are we to say that is the reason they give it? Surely it's Waheguru's decision alone, of who they grace.

God's, Waheguru's darshan can be seen anywhere, but it's just that our karm and Haumai do not allow us to. When we hear Gurbani that is also darshan, when we go to Gurdwara and matha tek to Maharaj ji, that is having darshan of them too through Gurbani. Well that's my understanding.

[sikhni777]

Thanks for your feedback. It has been invaluable both negative and positive. I will edit, make the required changes and clarify what I am trying to getaacross. Perhaps its all my mistake misunderstandings are occuring.

[Jonny101]

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I was in full consciousness but sort of paralysed. Something kept tugging me on the side and I thought it was my son.

This seems like sleep paralysis. This can be a very dangerous situation especially with you feeling something tugging you on the side which might be a bhoot. I saw a documentary about this on YouTube where victims would describe how during sleep paralysis, entity attacks would occur.

[sikhni777]

Would you kindly provide me the links because it has now happened a number of times.

[simran345]

Would you kindly provide me the links because it has now happened a number of times.

Penji here's a brief link on it, but as you are the one that has experienced it, only you can establish if it is that. I was also thinking it maybe sleep paralysis, as I've had that too and it feels so real, so when this happens it's difficult to establish what's happening and whether one is fully conscious or semi.

http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Sleep-paralysis/Pages/Introduction.aspx

http://www.m.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/sleep-paralysis

I would first see if your experience is associated about sleep paralysis or similar symptoms, to rule out anything medical. Then think about the spiritual experience to make sure what it is.

Hope it helps, and that I've not offended you, as I know spiritual experiences are real too.

[sikhni777]

Thanks any help appreciated. As I go deeper into prayer Experiences just sort of increase. Will post more on this laters when I have more time and able to concentrate on writing better.

[sikhni777]

The experience; the faith; the unseen is not enough for these people. They need proof, something tangible. I'm sorry, but that's not faith.

In this case, I was trying to express something which was felt, not seen. It was a sort of elevated personal experience where the soul seems to have risen to the level of feeling what it is to become one with God. - Total bliss. Nothing like you have ever felt on earth.