Nindak Missionary Dhunda At It Again

[jkvlondon]

I'm not arguing with you on any point you make there because...I'm not either on your side nor his. I choose a position once I hear the facts. I...indeed all of us....are being denied the opportunity to hear the facts.

But.....going back to what you just said, can you explain to me how and why it would be in the interest of the RSS (and indeed all right wing Hindu and Indian nationalists) to drive Sikhs away from certain scriptures that praise Hindu gods and is, in all essence, Hindu in nature ? Surely it would be in RSS's interest (and indeed all right wing Hindu and Indian nationislts) to ensure Sikhs cling on to an unbreakable tie with Hindusim ?

I'm just intrigued by this magnificent convulated plan that the RSS had...i.e a 20 year plan to first set up colleges....then produce 'missionaries'....then tell those missionaries to go out there and ensure all Hindu elements are withdrawn from Sikhi. When you consider how the RSS spend every ounce of strength in their bodies trying to join Sikhi with Hindusim and stress a Hindu nature to Sikhi one can't can't help but wonder just what kind of crazy plan is this ?

obviously you haven't got a clue about Dasam Granth , it is not about praising any hindu deity .... RSS have tried to use SGPC printing presses to print their corrupted version of Sikh itihaas labelling Guru Sahiban as liars, frauds , thieves, murderers etc (year 2007) it is only with the campaign of a gursikh over three long years to bring the matter forward to the panth's attention that this was withdrawn from printing but where did those printed copies go?

To break Sikhs from Dasam Bani is to create a rift between Parent and child Guru Pita and Khalsa bachhey, what do groomers do? they do the same, they create isolation then they can go in with their indoctrination..

a sikhi nature ? mate, to abandon Guru ji's teaching is become bemukh and outside Guru ji's protection .

Guru Sahiban has declared the Khalsa as Nekalank avtar in kalyug why wouldn't bahman want to lessen that chance of their power waning? They have known for thousands of years that sikhi was coming , what is 20 years after a wait of thousands? Guru Pita ji warned us to be ready for their tricks and deceits

[Singh559]

I won't be responding to huge text block, but will just say if you look hard enough you'll see Dhunda was challenged and he and committee ran with their tails between their legs. Once they thought that the Khalsa scholars had left then they agreed to a meeting so they could bully less knowledgeable sangat into a corner and make a good PR stunt, but that backfired and scholars showed up to teach him a lesson.

Darpok dhunda pajda intellectual juttiya ton

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

Lol JagsawSingh, I have to hand it to you, you say it very bluntly and dont hold back ? I think your posts in this thread have been spot on. Now due to this post Waljinder sio will think we are both the same person lol.

[WaljinderSingh]

Khoonka badla and Jagsaw you both are warned before being banned as you are not allowed to question the authenticity of Dasam bani on this forum.

I would suggest to drink 'ethical' milk before you lot act like grasshoppers when Dhundi is challenged for a debate and provide him a free ride to the Airport.

[chatanga]

I have no idea what this 'Dhanda' geezer's views are because he's not allowed to say them and I'm not allowed to hear them.

because I don't even know what his "ideology" is and am of the opinion that he seems to come across as a bit of a dufus.

I'm not arguing with you on any point you make there because...I'm not either on your side nor his. I choose a position once I hear the facts. I...indeed all of us....are being denied the opportunity to hear the facts.

Like everyone else I don't know what his actual views

Bro, without malice, you repeat this in almost post but there is a lot of places where dhunda has made his thoughts known on the internet. I'm sure that you can use a search engine.

[chatanga]

He can't be an RSS agent because his whole arguent is that Hindu scriptures praising and worshipping multiple Hindu gods do not belong in Sikhi.

What Sikhs do you know who read the HIndu scriptures? The Vedas, Purans, Simritis? Or worship Ram, Vishnu?

But.....going back to what you just said, can you explain to me how and why it would be in the interest of the RSS (and indeed all right wing Hindu and Indian nationalists) to drive Sikhs away from certain scriptures that praise Hindu gods and is, in all essence, Hindu in nature ?

Which scriptures are these?

As a family unit, me, myself and wife read the scriptures daily to our kids and teach them of life from it. There are however, at least a few things from Dasam Granth that a parent could never repeat to his children and frankly would smack his or her children upside the head if they ever uttered such language and is indeed of a nature that cannot be repeated here on this forum where children visit and read.

From Guru Granth Sahib:

ਸਲੋਕੁ ਮਃ ੧ ॥

ਸਹੰਸਰ ਦਾਨ ਦੇ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੁ ਰੋਆਇਆ ॥

Given the charity of a thousand , Indra cried in shame. ( a thousand what?)

ਪਰਸ ਰਾਮੁ ਰੋਵੈ ਘਰਿ ਆਇਆ ॥

Paras Raam returned home crying.

Guru reveals all:

ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ਦਖਣੀ ॥

Prabhaatee, First Mehl, Dakhnee:

ਗੋਤਮੁ ਤਪਾ ਅਹਿਲਿਆ ਇਸਤ੍ਰੀ ਤਿਸੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਇੰਦ੍ਰੁ ਲੁਭਾਇਆ ॥

Ahalyaa was the wife of Gautam the seer. Seeing her, Indra was enticed.

ਸਹਸ ਸਰੀਰ ਚਿਹਨ ਭਗ ਹੂਏ ਤਾ ਮਨਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਇਆ ॥੧॥

When he received a thousand vaginas on his body, then he felt regret in his mind. ||1||

or:

ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥

First Mehl:

ਉਤੰਗੀ ਪੈਓਹਰੀ ਗਹਿਰੀ ਗੰਭੀਰੀ ॥

O you with swollen breasts, let your consciousness become deep and profound.

ਸਸੁੜਿ ਸੁਹੀਆ ਕਿਵ ਕਰੀ ਨਿਵਣੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ਥਣੀ ॥

O mother-in-law, how can I bow? Because of my stiff nipples, I cannot bow.

So, as a family man do you talk about vaginas, breasts and nipples with your wife and children?

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

Khoonka badla and Jagsaw you both are warned before being banned as you are not allowed to question the authenticity of Dasam bani on this forum.

I would suggest to drink 'ethical' milk before you lot act like grasshoppers when Dhundi is challenged for a debate and provide him a free ride to the Airport.

Bro unless you are a mod, youre not one too warn me. Nor have I said anything against or pro Dasam bani. Im neutral as I do not have gyaan on this topic to pick a side. But how can you say youre open to debate if youre saying stuff like "you'll be banned if you oppose it!"...

"Dhundi" is no one to me lol. Give him a ride yourslf bro since youre so eager for a debate. Or get him an Uber.

[jkvlondon]

Oh but I do.

although it does so anyway just by strange co-incidence.

RSS...and their friends in the powers that rule the country called 'India' have been killing, murdering, massacring, raping, arresting, imprisoning and hanging both you and me for 30 years now. Thats why I spend 99% of my time here trying to break our forced illegal and unethical ties with India and you spend 0% of your time doing so and I spend 0% of my time ignoring the obvious and you spend 100% of your time in some shaheedi degh ganga cannibis marijuana induced haze imaging the real issue with the RSS is that they've gone on the most amazingly clever convulated plan ever whereby they play double jeapordy for 35 years...set up Sikh colleges....train Sikhs in the art of intellectual thought and critical reasoning......bring them in to Delhi HQ every now and then for brainwashing sessions.......then turn them loose into the wider Sikh community.....get them to articulate a viewpoint that criticises Hinduism..tries to rid Hindu influences on Sikhism....asserts a uniquely seperately Sikh identity.....then watch while western born, western educated Sikhs are so bandar that they say this must be a RSS conspiracy....and then bobinderjits yer uncle. Bish bosh bish......Job Done. This RSS masterplan must be the greatest, most cleverest plan ever in the history of worldwide convuluted plans.

And, if you think about it, it would be an amazing plan because it seemingly has you forgetting about the quarter of a million of your brothers and sisters the Hindu RSS has killed and raped and got you imagining that some 30 year college-missionary anti-Hindu rhetoric is actually the masterplan.

And yet we wonder why the Indians call us 12 o'clock and dumbos ?

You...jkv london, i.e:------ a girl from a sikh family who ran way from home as a teenager to have sex and sleep with your black brazilian boyfriend....get in a habit of some weed with him...then go on a very covenient path of 'sikhi' in which the main part of your faith is the marijuana praising cannabis loving bits about it in the dasam granth...whereby you can both mysteriously indulge in your cannbis addiction and pretend to be sikhs at the same time-----need to understand that the RSS, right wing Hindu nationalists and Hindu Indians in general want nothing more than for us to continue to embrace dasam granth because the dasam granth is the one and only thing that connects us to Hindu India. If you think right wing Hindus want to create a rift between us and dasam granth than, aside from sorting out your cannabis shaheedi degh induced psychosis, you need to go back to the drawing board and think again. Once you come out of your cannabis induced psychosis you will see that the dasam granth is what 100% of the RSS, 100% of right wing Hindu facists,100% of non-Sikh Indian nationalsts love the most about Sikhs because...it is the one thing that binds forever Sikhs to Hinduism....Sikhs to India and...ultimately, Sikhs to perennial slavery.

just because you are a rabid anti-dasam bani person don't think you can shut up people with personal attacks , I have already gone over this with you, your lies and nindiya is noted by Akal Purakh from the first time you started up I have nothing to say to you on that part except you are 100% wrong about EVERY detail . Anyone who likes this kind of ulti you should be ashamed ... Just because this guy doesn't know the arth of Chandi(gurmat budhi) , and significance of mahaKaal (BTW it isn't Shiva like you have fantasies about, because Shiva was created by Akal Purakh) . You do not know your own history then come on here and spill venom ...shame on you

[jkvlondon]

for those who still doubt Guru ji

https://www.facebook.com/sggsacademy/photos/a.211451842147.132889.194686442147/10154211152457148/?type=3&theater

[WaljinderSingh]

Bro unless you are a mod, youre not one too warn me. Nor have I said anything against or pro Dasam bani. Im neutral as I do not have gyaan on this topic to pick a side. But how can you say youre open to debate if youre saying stuff like "you'll be banned if you oppose it!"...

"Dhundi" is no one to me lol. Give him a ride yourslf bro since youre so eager for a debate. Or get him an Uber.

Do you think people on here are stupid?

Your 70th post does not indicate that you are even slightly neutral.

You did exactly what I suggested.

Next time make sure you don't feel anxious to hold up in agreement and stay away from posting as such.

One more of your in-agreement-post slandering Dasam bani or its authenticity, you are out.