Kashmir protests and killings

[YOYO29]

12 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

The Bharat that our people died for doesn't even exist in the modern world, when India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh would be one country, and our people wouldn't lose most of their land from Hindus and Muslims.

in that case there would have been no sikh majority punjab. Partition was painful but at the end of day both communities got benefited from it;  

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, Preeet said:

Don't you think Punjab could have come from sanskrit? As in Pancha means 5, and Aaap means water.. So it makes PanchAap/Punjab.

Not every word is from sanskrit bibi ji , remember it was sapat sindh  and Madardesh also those are sanskrit names

[Jonny101]

8 hours ago, Preeet said:

Don't you think Punjab could have come from sanskrit? As in Pancha means 5, and Aaap means water.. So it makes PanchAap/Punjab.

no, punjab is not Sanskrit but Persian. This is common knowledge. Sanskrit word for water is aapaH. So if it was Sanskrit it would have been PunchaapaH not matching the Persian Punjaab

Personally I don't have a problem with the Persian language. All our Gurus learned this language and used Persian words extensively in Gurbani. Especially Guru Gobind Singh Jee.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

3 hours ago, Preeet said:

but kaur ji, it has the same meaning from sanskrit, and of course the punjabi language is also from sanskrit/indo aryan and not the iranic/dardic side.

Punjabi before Guru Sahib was only in Shahmukhi, Punjabi isn't an Indo-Aryan language which may confuse people from it's location in the world. Also the massive amount of Islamic conquests bringing their Sharia from time to time made huge impacts to Hindi, (the word Hindu is a persian word, before these people were called Sindhu, then the Persians gave the word to the conquered people the same as thieves).

[Jonny101]

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Punjabi before Guru Sahib was only in Shahmukhi, Punjabi isn't an Indo-Aryan language which may confuse people from it's location in the world. Also the massive amount of Islamic conquests bringing their Sharia from time to time made huge impacts to Hindi, (the word Hindu is a persian word, before these people were called Sindhu, then the Persians gave the word to the conquered people the same as thieves).

Before Gurmukhi, Punjabi was written in the Landa script which was almost the same as the Gurmukhi script. The Landa script or very similarly related scripts were used all over Punjab, Sindh, Jammu and Kashmir areas. The Gurus modified it and added LagaMatra. Only the Sufi Saints wrote in the arabic script. Gurmukhi is the indiginous script of Punjab. The Devnagri and the Arabic(Shahmukhi) scripts are both foreign scripts to Punjab and surrounding areas. Only the Sikh people have enough self respect to use the indigenous script of the land.

[Jonny101]

1 hour ago, Preeet said:

So what, the word for 5 is also Pancha, and we say Punj, and so Aaap/AaapaH is similar in the same way. + I know our Sri Guru Sahib jis always knew all languages. They are not exclusive to any besides Gurmukhi.

 

Actually Punjabi was in devanagari, as modern haryana/himachal uses it. & Punjabi is an Indo-Aryan language, it isn't an Indo-Iranian language at all.. If you see a similarity between Farsi (Indo Iranian) and Punjabi more than Hindi (Indo Aryan) and Punjabi then you are lying to yourself.

Punjab being a formation of two Persian words Punj and Aab is common knowledge that even school going infants in Punjab know. Yet you are arguing the opposite. If Punjab is a Sanskrit word then why arent you and everyone else calling it a weird word like PunchAapaah? why is Punjab pronounced exactly like the Persian Punj aab? Due to invasions and centuries of cultural exchanges, the persian language has had a huge impact on the Punjabi langauge much like English has many French loan words

 

Punjabi was never written in Devnagri. Where did you get this info from? Have you ever read a text book on the history of Punjabi or Gurmukhi? Read about the Language politics that occurred in UP/Avadh/Bihar areas between Hindus and Muslims in the 1800s. Devnagri was an ancient script used to write Sanskrit. It was only revived during the mid 1800s by Hindu nationalists who wanted to sanskritise Hindustani while the Muslims wanted to Persianise Hindustani langauge. This resulted in the distinct formations of Hindi and Urdu.  Due to the influence of Arya Samaj, the Punjabi Hindus also began advocating Devnagri and Hindi languages.Seeing this pro Devnagri and Hindi stance of Punjabi Hindus, Giani Dit Singh of the Singh Sabha also had written a book proving their pro Hindi and pro Devnagri arguments wrong. Himachal and Haryana have only adopted Devnagri scripts recently in the past few decades. In the case of Himachal for centuries they used their own Pahari script which was related to the Punjabi Landa script. Not sprirsingly since Pahari is basically a dialect of Punjabi itself. And Haryanvi language which is similarly related to Rajasthani never had any Devnagri script.

 

 

[Guest Jacfsing2]

4 hours ago, Jonny101 said:

Punjab being a formation of two Persian words Punj and Aab is common knowledge that even school going infants in Punjab know. Yet you are arguing the opposite. If Punjab is a Sanskrit word then why arent you and everyone else calling it a weird word like PunchAapaah? why is Punjab pronounced exactly like the Persian Punj aab? Due to invasions and centuries of cultural exchanges, the persian language has had a huge impact on the Punjabi langauge much like English has many French loan words

 

Punjabi was never written in Devnagri. Where did you get this info from? Have you ever read a text book on the history of Punjabi or Gurmukhi? Read about the Language politics that occurred in UP/Avadh/Bihar areas between Hindus and Muslims in the 1800s. Devnagri was an ancient script used to write Sanskrit. It was only revived during the mid 1800s by Hindu nationalists who wanted to sanskritise Hindustani while the Muslims wanted to Persianise Hindustani langauge. This resulted in the distinct formations of Hindi and Urdu.  Due to the influence of Arya Samaj, the Punjabi Hindus also began advocating Devnagri and Hindi languages.Seeing this pro Devnagri and Hindi stance of Punjabi Hindus, Giani Dit Singh of the Singh Sabha also had written a book proving their pro Hindi and pro Devnagri arguments wrong. Himachal and Haryana have only adopted Devnagri scripts recently in the past few decades. In the case of Himachal for centuries they used their own Pahari script which was related to the Punjabi Landa script. Not sprirsingly since Pahari is basically a dialect of Punjabi itself. And Haryanvi language which is similarly related to Rajasthani never had any Devnagri script.

 

 

Your arguing with someone who believes Sikhi supports the idea of Hindu rituals, is it really worth arguing her? 

[Thanatos]

54 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Your arguing with someone who believes Sikhi supports the idea of Hindu rituals, is it really worth arguing her? 

Punjab is a Persian word, any Historian will tell you that but Preeto's filled with so much ego she wont admit she's wrong. Notice how quickly she jumped onto this thread since its bashing Pakistan.

[StarStriker]

panj-aab just like shar-aab r both persian words. Aab obviously means water(s), and shar means shararat (naughty), alot of our words are from persian origins.

[jkvlondon]

On 18/08/2016 at 11:40 PM, Jonny101 said:

Dogras were from Jammu not Kashmir 

but they got kashmir for doing ghadari of sikh kaum from Angrez