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2 hours ago, StarStriker said:

panj-aab just like shar-aab r both persian words. Aab obviously means water(s), and shar means shararat (naughty), alot of our words are from persian origins.

and of course aab e hiyat ...meaning water of life or  Amrit 

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panj-aab just like shar-aab r both persian words. Aab obviously means water(s), and shar means shararat (naughty), alot of our words are from persian origins.

Define India? If by India you mean the artificial state that the British created in 1947, then no. But if by India you mean a continent of independent nations and regions as it always has been histori

You know, the same can be said of India

On September 23, 2016 at 5:38 PM, jkvlondon said:

but they got kashmir for doing ghadari of sikh kaum from Angrez

What do you mean "but"? Lol  you were speaking against kashmiris, and he said they were from Jammu. I dont get how youre countering his statement, you have no argument left  

On September 23, 2016 at 2:46 PM, Thanatos said:

Punjab is a Persian word, any Historian will tell you that but Preeto's filled with so much ego she wont admit she's wrong. Notice how quickly she jumped onto this thread since its bashing Pakistan.

Sri Preet Ji will do anything to link anything Sikh/Punjabi related too Hinduism.

On September 23, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Preeet said:

Punjab is from Sanskrit because there is such a similarity in words and considering Punjabi came from Sanskrit there is no doubt that the words are from Sanskrit rather than persian. Of course, everyone is free to what they would like to believe in though, considering what you said is true (Back then Punjab was called Madhardesh). 

Lol, not everything is tied too Hinduism!

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6 minutes ago, KhoonKaBadlaKhoon said:

What do you mean "but"? Lol  you were speaking against kashmiris, and he said they were from Jammu. I dont get how youre countering his statement, you have no argument left  

Sri Preet Ji will do anything to link anything Sikh/Punjabi related too Hinduism.

Lol, not everything is tied too Hinduism!

bro even if they were from Jammu didn't mean they had nothing to with Kashmir ...that was my point

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21 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

bro even if they were from Jammu didn't mean they had nothing to with Kashmir ...that was my point

But Jammu natives getting control over Kashmiris doesnt/shouldnt speak on Kashmiris. None the less, I, like you, am not sure how I feel about folks from Jammu & Kashmir. Seems like Sikhs try to unite with them more than they try to unite with us. 

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16 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Why are Sikhs supporting Muslims, (Kashmiri), in this topic? Do none of you know Islam is a threat to humanity? Do you guys really want Sharia Law in your land, if not, don't encourage it for other human beings. Read some verses here instead of being an ignorant regressive leftist: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

I think it is a nostalgia thing , they think now the whole scene will return to the pre independence ways of sufi peoples smiling and being open again ...but no-one steps into the same river twice as they say ,jo beet gia so beet gia ...now the new Kashmir will be full of fear and hatred of Indian and sikhs

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24 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Why are Sikhs supporting Muslims, (Kashmiri), in this topic? Do none of you know Islam is a threat to humanity? Do you guys really want Sharia Law in your land, if not, don't encourage it for other human beings. Read some verses here instead of being an ignorant regressive leftist: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

The Kashmir situation is immensely complex, India has done horrible things to the muslim populous there and the Jihadis are just as bad. In my book both are equally bad, putting religion aside its human killing human. Extremely saddening. 

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8 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

I think it is a nostalgia thing , they think now the whole scene will return to the pre independence ways of sufi peoples smiling and being open again ...but no-one steps into the same river twice as they say ,jo beet gia so beet gia ...now the new Kashmir will be full of fear and hatred of Indian and sikhs

The Eras from the British Raj when Hindus, Muslims, and Sikhs, could trust each other and have their kids play with each other with mutual respect is over! (It'll never, ever come back, in the ways it used to), we are pretty much on our own, (and imagine what'll happen to those Kashmiri Sikhs living in Sharia Kashmir?) We all want love and respect for individuals regardless of who they may be to come back, (Daas wishes to live in such a world with harmony); however, it seems a bit childish to be attached to old ideas.

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5 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

The Kashmir situation is immensely complex, India has done horrible things to the muslim populous there and the Jihadis are just as bad. In my book both are equally bad, putting religion aside its human killing human. Extremely saddening. 

Hindu nationalism means some brown people can get a country, (it doesn't actually mean anything), but Islamic nationalism means the destruction of all other cultures, religions, ways of life, to promote one idea: Sharia. Muslims have way too many countries, and look at how their human rights standards are.

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9 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Hindu nationalism means some brown people can get a country, (it doesn't actually mean anything), but Islamic nationalism means the destruction of all other cultures, religions, ways of life, to promote one idea: Sharia. Muslims have way too many countries, and look at how their human rights standards are.

Bro like I said both sides have done horrible things, as Sikhs we should look past that and help humanity rather than select individuals. From what I'm aware most Kashmiri Muslims are peace-loving ones and don't actually want Sharia. The problem is the people there are trapped in an endless game of chess between India and Pakistan.

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10 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

Bro like I said both sides have done horrible things, as Sikhs we should look past that and help humanity rather than select individuals. From what I'm aware most Kashmiri Muslims are peace-loving ones and don't actually want Sharia. The problem is the people there are trapped in an endless game of chess between India and Pakistan.

+1, but At the end of the day it doesn't matter if most individual Kashmiris are peaceful, (most humans are relatively peaceful), but from the ones fighting for independence for Kashmir most of them are Islamic Fundamentalists, especially if you include those fighting for independence from Pakistan, (because it is a 2-sided-war for 1 Kashmir). Jinnah wasn't looking for Sharia either, but look at how Pakistan turned out, and the direction Turkey is going, (which used to be the secular Muslim country which wasn't too fundamentalist).

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10 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

+1, but At the end of the day it doesn't matter if most individual Kashmiris are peaceful, (most humans are relatively peaceful), but from the ones fighting for independence for Kashmir most of them are Islamic Fundamentalists, especially if you include those fighting for independence from Pakistan, (because it is a 2-sided-war for 1 Kashmir). Jinnah wasn't looking for Sharia either, but look at how Pakistan turned out, and the direction Turkey is going, (which used to be the secular Muslim country which wasn't too fundamentalist).

What about a free kashmir without sharia? Isnt this what kashmiris really want or is it just join with pakistan? problem is, who will govern this free kashmir? Cant these radicals be re-integrated back into their sufi ancestral ways?

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1 hour ago, mrggg123 said:

What about a free kashmir without sharia? Isnt this what kashmiris really want or is it just join with pakistan? problem is, who will govern this free kashmir? Cant these radicals be re-integrated back into their sufi ancestral ways?

Kashmir isn't even Sufi anymore. If you look at the independence fighters, 90% of the people are Islamic Sunni Fundamentalists. It'll easily be governed by some Qazi or something. 

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