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The Christian menace to Sikhi in Canada

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On 1/14/2020 at 12:31 PM, Guest Jigsaw_Puzzled_Singh said:

It's 1st and 2nd generation for the Toronto Sikhs. It's 4th and 5th generation for the Vancouver - Abbotsford BC west coast Sikhs. There is no "out there". They're totally different cities in totally different provinces in totally different time-zones with totally different people with different histories in places with totally different vibes. There is no generic "out there"

He has never been to Canada.

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On 1/14/2020 at 7:00 PM, puzzled said:

If gurdware granthis started saying they will take evil spirits out and perform exorisms and free people from black magic spells  then gurdware would have lines of people waiting outside. 

The pastor in the poster with Deol looks like a South Indian.

There is a huge evangelical push in South India and what you speak of with exorcisms comes straight out of the evangelical playbook. 

Who does evangelicals? The US Bible Belts.

It seems that there is money pumped from the Evangelicals from the US and they are using South Indian pastors to go to Punjab and recruit and convert local people to become pastors who will the convey the Gospel to the locals.

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13 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The pastor in the poster with Deol looks like a South Indian.

There is a huge evangelical push in South India and what you speak of with exorcisms comes straight out of the evangelical playbook. 

Who does evangelicals? The US Bible Belts.

It seems that there is money pumped from the Evangelicals from the US and they are using South Indian pastors to go to Punjab and recruit and convert local people to become pastors who will the convey the Gospel to the locals.

yh especially those southern areas in the US    they do those crazy exorcisms lmao   women screaming and rolling on the floor with pastors holding the cross at them and screaming back   haha!

these pastors in punjab do the exact same thing, they do exorcisms on stage with massive gatherings watching,  that attracts massive crowds as everyone in india believe in black magic and think they are possessed.  

thats why all these self made babas and deras are so popular as well    they do exorcisms and get rid of black magic.  

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lots of punjabis in the west become christians too. the channel glory tv is full of christian converts that once were sikhs,  hindus and muslims too. the big fat woman pammi the presenter was a sikh before

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2 minutes ago, puzzled said:

lots of punjabis in the west become christians too. the channel glory tv is full of christian converts that once were sikhs,  hindus and muslims too. the big fat woman pammi the presenter was a sikh before

Must be the oppressive caste system in the West that has oppressed them, lol.

You ever noticed that with Jehovah Witnesses they always use Punjabi speakers when they come to Punjabi households. 

Sometimes they come on Saturday and they are always suited and booted. One of them knocks on your door and then they have a colleague who is standing about 10 yards back.

I normally ask for a copy of Watchtower straight away and they give a copy and then they leave.

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13 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Must be the oppressive caste system in the West that has oppressed them, lol.

lol  thats funny 

14 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You ever noticed that with Jehovah Witnesses they always use Punjabi speakers when they come to Punjabi households. 

yh  in brown areas they always have a brown person with them  mostly south indian looking. i think its to show us that brown people can be christians too lol.  around here its mostly old black ladies that go around knocking on people doors. 

back in school we had two punjab guys in my year  both their families had converted to Christianity.  ones surname was kalsi and one was dutt. 

i know a gujarati girl who belonged to a gujarati carpenter caste and she was dating a gujarati guy from the same caste but he had converted to Christianity, she told me that it wasnt a problem for her or her family  because he was still gujarati!  she called him a hindu christian!    think it works differently for different ethnicity

goan christians are ok i think   they mainly catholics but its the evangicals that are the one sthat are trying to convert everyone. 

indian society is very very complex, one of the most complex societies in the world,  very thin line between, culture, religion, tradition, belief, politics, superstitions.   its very complex.   every invader has been confused by indian society, none of them had ever seen anything like it.    its difficult to "dissect" it, probably impossible    if that makes sense. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

No.

Your theories come out straight out of the marxist playbook. 

Some of those lower castes are doing far better than those higher castes.

They are far less "oppressed" than you imagine. 

There are far more dynamics at play than you realise.

If you have been to Punjab and actually understand what the ground realities were instead of just reading some books you would grasp this.

There are nuances that you haven't picked up on.

And you've just jumped on the stereotype of what Juts are like and ran with that, like it is some solid fact that all of them must behave like you describe because it is some innate characteristic, but plenty don't and are embarrassed by it. The number of the latter type needs to increase, and the other type need to decrease. 

You want to talk about 'dominating' which is akin to controlling the environment and not shoulder any responsibility for when this goes wrong and has severe negative consequences for all of the panth.

Cop out.  

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56 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

Must be the oppressive caste system in the West that has oppressed them, lol.

Or it might be the failure to create a cohesive, supportive community, because we've brought our baggage out here too. 

You know damn well we can much better than we currently do. Globally. 

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watch this.   this is what most punjabi churches are like

punjabi taape and giddha for jesus

 

you can see why these churches attract massive crowds!  they offer entertainment, exorcisms, giddha and boliyan etc    people love this stuff there.    deras offer the same package as well   

you can see how the church has shaped itself to attract punjabi crowds, it gives them Christianity but dont take away the punjabism,  they incorporate it  

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9 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

And you've just jumped on the stereotype of what Juts are like and ran with that, like it is some solid fact that all of them must behave like you describe because it is some innate characteristic, but plenty don't and are embarrassed by it. The number of the latter type needs to increase, and the other type need to decrease. 

You want to talk about 'dominating' which is akin to controlling the environment and not shoulder any responsibility for when this goes wrong and has severe negative consequences for all of the panth.

Cop out.  

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i think the pastors are seen as babas that you can go to for advise, these pastor like like celebs   with their chresy smiles slapped on every wall. sikh/hindu babas are still the most popular option though. my aunties in punjab have babas and matas that they go to for advise. if they feel their family has someones evil eye, or someones done a magic spell, or if there is a wedding they ask which date is right. my mami took my cousins kundli to a mata and asked her what the right date and time is for the marriage, the mata lives in a massive koti. people go to babas and matas for everything.

these pastors haven't reached the same level of popularity as these babas and matas yet.  i really wouldn't be surprised if my mami goes to a pastor for advice 

i know a middle aged man from phagwara  which is where radhe maa was based and he said half of phagwara has slept with her, this was before she became famous. she had a reputation for being the local wh0re in phagwara and used to have men of all ages going in and out of her house all the time.  this is like 20 yrs ago when she was a young woman and before she became a Mata.

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19 minutes ago, puzzled said:

i think the pastors are seen as babas that you can go to for advise, these pastor like like celebs   with their chresy smiles slapped on every wall. sikh/hindu babas are still the most popular option though. my aunties in punjab have babas and matas that they go to for advise. if they feel their family has someones evil eye, or someones done a magic spell, or if there is a wedding they ask which date is right. my mami took my cousins kundli to a mata and asked her what the right date and time is for the marriage, the mata lives in a massive koti. people go to babas and matas for everything.

these pastors haven't reached the same level of popularity as these babas and matas yet.  i really wouldn't be surprised if my mami goes to a pastor for advice 

i know a middle aged man from phagwara  which is where radhe maa was based and he said half of phagwara has slept with her, this was before she became famous. she had a reputation for being the local wh0re in phagwara and used to have men of all ages going in and out of her house all the time.  this is like 20 yrs ago when she was a young woman and before she became a Mata.

I went to Goa many years ago and it used to be a Portuguese colony.

So a great many Goans are Catholic.

One of the things I noticed is that Jesus Christ is like a Murti and is worshipped like a Hindu Murti is.

What you mentioned about Punjabis who are Christian worship Christianity like Deras and Baba could possibly mean the worship of Jesus being absorbed into hindu belief. 

Christianity left to its own devices in India without foreign intervention will likely be absorbed back in.

Jesus Christ will probably become the 9th or 10th avatar of Vishnu.

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Indian ppl esp hindus dont really care about religion. That's just knowledge and beliefs. They care about caste/ethnicity also called roti-beti di saanjh. People only married and shared food with certain ppl due to rules by brahmans and their families. and that became a distinct ethnicity.

Even now,my aunt says that she hopes when her aughter grows up she chooses someone in the same caste. Being same caste means panjabi sikh jatt. 

My Asian studies teacher was also saying that indian ppl use 2 descriptions to describe ppl. The state their from and their religion. Like gujarati Muslim. Panjabi sikh. 

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