The lost Sikh turban style

[GurjantGnostic]

Is the joke he's referring to about the earrings?  I'm confused.

I think we all agree the Guru Sahiban are worthy of our respect.  If it was the joke about the earring stand, I thought it was funny, but I have all the class of a stray dog.

I think when we are free of the five vices we will look at this maya and laugh and laugh.  Everything we took so seriously, how offended we were on behalf of our own fragile egos.  This place is too ugly not to be a big joke in the end.

I also think whether it's the Guru Sahiban, or Buddah, or Christ, that they must have a really good sense of humor and some thick skin.  I bet they spend half their time laughing at us and the other half shaking their heads.

I guess it's fair to say some people thought it was funny and some didn't, and if we're upset about it, it's an opportunity to release some damas and chant the naam and chuckle.

[MrDoaba]

58 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Is the joke he's referring to about the earrings?  I'm confused.

I think we all agree the Guru Sahiban are worthy of our respect.  If it was the joke about the earring stand, I thought it was funny, but I have all the class of a stray dog.

The actual joke, or rather, tongue in cheek remark was this:

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Excuse me sir, do you know where I can get earrings similar to the ones worn by the Gurus?

Many thanks.

Which in itself was a response to a long post about how Guru Sahib didn't wear earrings.

1 hour ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I also think whether it's the Guru Sahiban, or Buddah, or Christ, that they must have a really good sense of humor and some thick skin.  I bet they spend half their time laughing at us and the other half shaking their heads.

I would like to believe this is true. With the amount of Gyaani Policing that goes on here, one would not be wrong in wondering if they're actually on a Irani forum, a forum on which the logo wouldn't be dissimilar to the one created by SikhSangat coincidentally.

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[GurjantGnostic]

Yeah.  That made me chuckle.  I was just making sure it wasn't some super horrible joke that you had to edit out or something that I missed.

When I used to eat meat, I'd order a cheeseburger, and then with a dead serious face ask the waiter to make sure only kosher ingredients were used. 

[MrDoaba]

8 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

When I used to eat meat, I'd order a cheeseburger, and then with a dead serious face ask the waiter to make sure only kosher ingredients were used. 

Best not to mention meat here brother. Unless it's the meat of vegetables.

 

P.S. Use the quote function, it makes it easier to see and respond to your posts.

[GurjantGnostic]

3 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Best not to mention meat here brother. Unless it's the meat of vegetables.

 

P.S. Use the quote function, it makes it easier to see and respond to your posts.

Absolutely.  Thanks to the example set by the Guru Sahiban, the Khalsa, and writings of SIkh Dr's I've stopped eating it.  I've realized the huge impact the hormones have on us, and that we are not meant to eat it physically, and also that it is cruel.   I was a fool to eat it, and am thankful to the Sangat for helping me.  I am still a fool and am thankful for gurbani, and simran.  I am thankful to be able to come here and surround myself with wiser people than myself.

I've been chanting the naam, reading my daily hukam, and studying japji for some time now, all of which has benefit me immensely.  I still struggle with anger and attachment but as my focus on vaheguru increases my pain and anger decrease.  I carry my own "kirpan" and by the good example of the Khalsa seek to love and protect anyone who needs it, which I've almost paid the final bodily price for before.

I am like a stray dog, that comes to the gurus house, having been so well treated I am loyal to my master.  My master who I cannot even be a sacrifice to.  When the fear and darkness seem to be falling upon me I chant the naam and release my head as if it has been cut off for the guru.  It has come to be my only comfort.

 

[MrDoaba]

1 minute ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Absolutely.  Thanks to the example set by the Guru Sahiban, the Khalsa, and writings of SIkh Dr's I've stopped eating it.  I've realized the huge impact the hormones have on us, and that we are not meant to eat it physically, and also that it is cruel.   I was a fool to eat it, and am thankful to the Sangat for helping me.  I am still a fool and am thankful for gurbani, and simran.  I am thankful to be able to come here and surround myself with wiser people than myself.

Lol I support the decision of all diets. Wanna eat meat, go for it, don't wanna eat it, fine by me. One cannot justify either view as there are examples of both choices. We can't and shouldn't force others. I respect your choice though. Do you feel different in any way after stopping? Physically, mentally, spiritually? Please share your experience. And likewise brother, we are glad you have joined us here in this madness we call Sangat!

7 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I've been chanting the naam, reading my daily hukam, and studying japji for some time now, all of which has benefit me immensely.  I still struggle with anger and attachment but as my focus on vaheguru increases my pain and anger decrease.  I carry my own "kirpan" and by the good example of the Khalsa seek to love and protect anyone who needs it, which I've almost paid the final bodily price for before.

Glad to hear, again please do make a topic on your studies. I'm sure we would all learn something. We all struggle with the panj chor, they're ghastly but addictive. Are you willing to elaborate on the latter comment? If you feel comfortable of course.

10 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I am like a stray dog, that comes to the gurus house, having been so well treated I am loyal to my master.  My master who I cannot even be a sacrifice to.  When the fear and darkness seem to be falling upon me I chant the naam and release my head as if it has been cut off for the guru.  It has come to be my only comfort.

We are all stray dogs (you'll find out later which are rabid though haha). Happy to hear that Maharaaj has done Kirpa on you to walk this path.

Don't become an ant though because I am still armed with ant powder. Someone took my gun so it's all I have left.

[GurjantGnostic]

1 hour ago, MrDoaba said:

 Do you feel different in any way after stopping? Physically, mentally, spiritually? Please share your experience. And likewise brother, we are glad you have joined us here in this madness we call Sangat!

Physically and mentally I would say the primary effects I've noticed are less anger, less fear, less depression,  When I am on deployments it's sometimes hard to avoid meat, and when I've "relapsed" in those situations,  each of those times was followed by a withdrawl-like symptom of irrational anger and frustration.  I've also noticed that my body instantly maintains a healthier weight.  That also is because I was saved from alcohol addiction by Vaeheguru Ji.  After a head injury I was poisoning myself with the stuff to cope, and it reduced me to an unhealthy and depressed state.  I sincerely believe it took the hand of something greater than myself to get clear of it, and again I had the example of the Khalsa to follow.

Spiritually I feel healthier without meat as well.  When I make food now, I think to myself nothing had to suffer and die for this, I didn't kill anything this time.  When I eat it feels like when I would take communion as a child, that I was partaking in something spiritually fulfilling.  When I eat this food I can feel that it is provided to me out of love by the creator, and I feel in better company.

1 hour ago, MrDoaba said:

Are you willing to elaborate on the latter comment? If you feel comfortable of course..

I was born in 1982, shortly before 1984.  From my early childhood my mother would tell me two stories:  One about Kitty Genovese being murdered in the middle of New York City and nobody coming to her aid.  She would also tell me about the Khalsa and the attack on Harminder Sahib.  She said that were I ever in a situation like that, I should do anything I could to help who needed it, like the Khalsa would, and to remember what happened to them and...I hate to say especially, but especially that if they ever needed help I would be better of dying with them than idly watching, that it would be a sin to watch something like that and not help. 

So I made a practice of looking out for people, which was typified by success.  Mainly I'd verbally de-escelate things, and when attacked I always had what was needed.  However one night while tending bar at a teahouse on the ground floor of a high rise downtown, a boy ran past the large window front.  He was bleeding from all over, ear half hanging off, and four rather large, methed out, tattooed wanna be white gang bangers were chasing him with weapons.  He collapsed on the front porch of the bar.  Everyone in the bar told me not to go outside, but I told my female co-worker to call the police (knowing full well they'd be there a half hour or hour later) and put down the knife I was holding.  I felt in that situation it would escalate things, and there was no room for it to get worse,  In retrospect I should have taken it, or had a gun lol.

When I got outside the young man was losing consciousness and his arm was visibly broken, it was already turning all sorts of wrong colors from where he'd been blocking their attacks.  So I ran out and said "Hey guys, I don't know what this is about, but you've clearly won, he can't take anymore, it's over."  This at first worked, they backed off for a moment and looked like they were going to leave, but then the biggest one thought he'd run back and try and stomp the guys unconscious head.  I was pretty sure that would kill him, so I physically stepped in between them and repeated again "No, he's had enough"... and this is when things got trippy.  It's the Internet so why not just say it like it is...

I could see a fifth figure in the background, and all of a sudden it was like he and the other four were connected, by lines, like you see when constellations are drawn, and above them was this thing, that they all connected to, like it was driving them. I went to intercept this giant drugged out dude, I swung early, and he wound up bowling into me and latching on.  I'm smart enough not to get caught in the middle usually  (I've scrapped bullies my whole life, and spent ten years living as uchi deshi in Aikido Dojos in the USA and Japan) but I was stuck that time.  This was the first time I'd stepped out of simple fighting and into something much worse.  It didn't take long for his three friends to start lashing me open from behind with metal batons.  I didn't feel the blows, they sounded like someone was banging on the walls of a metal shed I was in.  I struggled briefly, then this peace took over me and I just stopped.  I didn't lose consciousness or go down, I could just hear the batons wet pounding any my skull crunching.  When I stopped fighting my point of view moved outside my body and I was looking down on the violence from above. 

My female co-worker, came out screaming at them like an irish banshee.  I'm not sure if it was a combination of that and perhaps that head wounds bleed like no other and they couldn't stomach the sight of it anymore.  Really I feel like I my life was spared by Vaheguru. 

Since you know...I'm smart, as they were leaving I spouted off some stuff like "Really, there's four of you guys and you have to hit me from behind with weapons?"  They ran off, and left their car there.

The cops came some ridiculous time after, hundreds of people, including six roided out security guards from the bar next door just stood there.  The cops made me wait for an ambulance for an hour even though the hospital is four blocks from the bar and I could see it.  They promised up and down they'd get the dudes, and they didn't.  The security cameras didn't work, I had to pester a guy my family knows in internal affairs at the PD for months just for them to put a detective on it, and when he found and questioned them, they admit to the fight and said I had it coming cause I was talking S***.  Which apparently where I'm from is enough for the cops to be like cool bro no charges then.

To add insult to injury, the dudes frequented the biker bar across the street from my house, and were gang affiliated with the tattoo shop in my neighborhood... just my luck, and I'd call the PD and say the guys that attacked me are right across the street, and the cops wouldn't send anyone.  So over time these guys realize they "know me", and they start threatening to shoot up my house (little did they know I was right behind the door, lights out, 30 30 in hand) and start following me around in their cars and pantomiming drive bys, or pantomime shanking me prison style.

By this time, the hyper-vigilance and "ptsd" had set in.  I was drinking heavily, foolishly, to medicate the physical and emotional pain.  So I started carrying a .38 and going to all the worst bars I knew these dudes would frequent and I got the word out.  I told all their associates that I had given the cops a chance to do their job and they hadn't and that I wasn't playing anymore and that I'd be seeing them for sure and that I had no mixed intentions about what I was going to do when I found them. 

Again Vaheguru interceded.  Two of them went to prison, one wound up dead and one fled and I didn't have to murder anyone.  The effects of the encounter lasted a long long time.  Most people would just tell me I was stupid for even intervening in the first place.  So I comforted myself initially with two things.  One, knowing that if I hadn't done something I could have never felt alright about myself let alone looked that boy's mother in the face if he'd been murdered right in front of me.  Two, that I wasn't a fool, that a shaheed or sant sipai would have done the same thing.  It was at this time my interest in sikhi grew from respect to practice, and I turned to the naam for relief from my addiction, pain and depression.

It wasn't until I re-read the police reports some time later, that I realized everyone reported four assailants and that I saw five, and of course nobody else saw the...thing above them.  As far as I can tell that fifth guy wasn't even "there", the one that was in the background and never interacted physically.

I guess to speak to our troll, yes study gutka,  it's wonderful.  Yes, chant the Naam, nothing is better.  You really really might want to consider a firearm just in case though.  If I had one with me that day, I'd have saved myself a lot of pain and drama, one way or the other.  It's not every time you get spared, and even if you are, it's not without consequence.

1 hour ago, MrDoaba said:

We are all stray dogs (you'll find out later which are rabid though haha). Happy to hear that Maharaaj has done Kirpa on you to walk this path.

Since I already over-shared and popped the cork on weird talk, might as well share this too...

When I started to find more comfort in Gurbani and the Naam, and my health started to improve, I had a dream that I was in a restaurant with my deceased grandfather.  As is typical of dead people in my dreams, he smiled and his eyes sparkled but he wouldn't speak.  I grabbed up wine from an empty table and began drinking it and telling him about my life struggles, and he'd smile and nod. 

There was a khalsa family eating at the a nearby table, and they said hello to my grandfather.  The father figure of their family said to my grandfather "Watch this" and he said Sat Sri Akal, so I responded Sat Sri Akal, then he said "Waheguru" and I replied "Waheguru ji ga kalsa, Waheguru ji ga fateh" and he said to my granfather "See how well trained he is, why don't you let us have him?"  My grandfather nodded and that was the lat time I saw him in my dreams that I remember.

I can't count the number of times I'd have been done for spiritually or physically without the Kirpa of Maharaaj.  I am truly a wretched fool many times over who is sustained I think by Kirpa alone. 

After all of this I joined the Air Force, thinking that I'd be more connected or enfranchised in my community.  I didn't get any earthly justice and I thought maybe if I was more affiliated that I'd be better off, but that isn't true really.  I've met some truly excellent people in the Air Force, but there is a really large contingent of people who don't live the Air Force core values at all, so it's kind of a let down in that regard, and it was another lesson not to look for solutions in people.  I figured if I was going to associate with anyone might as well be select solid individuals only, and as far as groups go I don't really connect with them any more unless it's the Aikidoka in the Dojo or Sikhs in my community that I'm always happy to see.

 

Well...ask me what time it is I guess I'll tell you how the watch was made.  Hopefully that's interesting to read if nothing else.

[MrDoaba]

11 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

I can't count the number of times I'd have been done for spiritually or physically without the Kirpa of Maharaaj.  I am truly a wretched fool many times over who is sustained I think by Kirpa alone. 

Vah brother, just Vah! Had I known you were to return with such a profound reply, I would have urged you to make a new topic because this, and forgive my language, sure as sh!t deserves one.

I am however, slightly lost for words lol. I will need to read your post a few times over before I can say something which is even 0.1% of what you have written.

For now...Fateh Parvaan Karo Ji, Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fatehhhh!!!!

Sada Jai Bhagauti!!

[GurjantGnostic]

7 minutes ago, MrDoaba said:

Vah brother, just Vah! Had I known you were to return with such a profound reply, I would have urged you to make a new topic because this, and forgive my language, sure as sh!t deserves one.

I am however, slightly lost for words lol. I will need to read your post a few times over before I can say something which is even 0.1% of what you have written.

For now...Fateh Parvaan Karo Ji, Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fatehhhh!!!!

Sada Jai Bhagauti!!

Thanks to you, I know now how to say "Booooleeee sooo Nihaaal! Sat Sri Akalee"  Would have been great to hear it that day, but Sikh's are smart enough not to be drinking downtown.  Lol.  I know that had there been one I'd have not been alone.  That's why I've come to kick it with you guys on sikhsangat.  I don't really vibe with most people in my area these days.  And sometimes I can't find answers to questions about punjabi, or guri, or things online.

[MrDoaba]

18 minutes ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Thanks to you, I know now how to say "Booooleeee sooo Nihaaal! Sat Sri Akalee"  Would have been great to hear it that day, but Sikh's are smart enough not to be drinking downtown.  Lol.  I know that had there been one I'd have not been alone.  That's why I've come to kick it with your guys on sikhsangat.  I don't really vibe with most people in my area these days.

Loll I was wondering if you were the same person!! I'm sure you'll get a chance to do a Jaikaara soon enough, Gurprasaad!

On behalf of SikhSangat I welcome you to the forum! We hope to have you here...well until Kalyug ends!

Do mind the trolls and ants however.