The use of mantras

[Reecon 2]

WJKK WJKF

I have a question about this mantra. 

https://www.3ho.org/kundalini-yoga/mantra/kundalini-yoga-mantras/mantra-toolkit-chattra-chakkra-varti

It is the last part of jaap sahib. I stumbled across it on YouTube and began researching the meaning. 

I'm a little torn. Should a sikh be taking snippets of bani and using them as a mantra (apologies for lack of a better word)? 

These are the words of our guru so reciting them can't be bad right? 

I am not a 3ho person nor do I understand a great deal about them. 

I hope my question makes sense. 

please forgive me for any mistakes I have made.

WJKK WJKF

[Kira 1,406]

32 minutes ago, Reecon said:

WJKK WJKF

I have a question about this mantra. 

https://www.3ho.org/kundalini-yoga/mantra/kundalini-yoga-mantras/mantra-toolkit-chattra-chakkra-varti

It is the last part of jaap sahib. I stumbled across it on YouTube and began researching the meaning. 

I'm a little torn. Should a sikh be taking snippets of bani and using them as a mantra (apologies for lack of a better word)? 

These are the words of our guru so reciting them can't be bad right? 

I am not a 3ho person nor do I understand a great deal about them. 

I hope my question makes sense. 

please forgive me for any mistakes I have made.

WJKK WJKF

Bani is like Medicine, Reciting certain lines of Gurbani wth devotion will remove pain (for example Dukh Bhanjan tera Naam Ji), Lines from the Dasam Granth's amazing Bir Raas banis will give you strength. But bear in mind, inside all of Gurbani, every single tukh there lies the ultimate goal of merging with the lord.

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2 hours ago, Reecon said:

WJKK WJKF

I have a question about this mantra. 

https://www.3ho.org/kundalini-yoga/mantra/kundalini-yoga-mantras/mantra-toolkit-chattra-chakkra-varti

It is the last part of jaap sahib. I stumbled across it on YouTube and began researching the meaning. 

I'm a little torn. Should a sikh be taking snippets of bani and using them as a mantra (apologies for lack of a better word)? 

These are the words of our guru so reciting them can't be bad right? 

I am not a 3ho person nor do I understand a great deal about them. 

I hope my question makes sense. 

please forgive me for any mistakes I have made.

WJKK WJKF

Gurbani is not separated into Mantras it's separated more into Raag than anything else, there's only 2 "Mantras", in the Sikh faith, that's Gurmantar and Mool Mantar. Everything else an individual can learn lines from shabads.

[singh598 471]

Your just a little pathetic baby with your pathetic questions

Even the recitation of just gurmuki

Akhar can give you mukti let alone a sentence of bani

All Gurbani is mantar

[Dsinghdp 184]

WAHEGURU

W - Wasudev 

H - Hari 

G - Gobind

R - Raam 

[Akalifauj 900]

13 hours ago, Reecon said:

WJKK WJKF

I have a question about this mantra. 

https://www.3ho.org/kundalini-yoga/mantra/kundalini-yoga-mantras/mantra-toolkit-chattra-chakkra-varti

It is the last part of jaap sahib. I stumbled across it on YouTube and began researching the meaning. 

I'm a little torn. Should a sikh be taking snippets of bani and using them as a mantra (apologies for lack of a better word)? 

These are the words of our guru so reciting them can't be bad right? 

I am not a 3ho person nor do I understand a great deal about them. 

I hope my question makes sense. 

please forgive me for any mistakes I have made.

WJKK WJKF

3ho is a well oiled machine for making money by hook or crook.  They take Hindu concepts and apply them to Sikhi for a profit.  There Guru, yogi bhajan made a lot of money exploiting gullible and spiritually illiterate white Americans.  Which shabad in Gurbani does not lift anxiety, fear, depression, insecurities and phobias?  All of Gurbani is the medicine to uplift these diseases of the mind.  Shake the hand of a gursikh and you will feel the hard work they have put in there honest living.  3ho have not worked a day in lives.  There guru stole from them when he introduced his manmat and now they are taking his false teachings and exploiting others because they don't want to work either.  A lazy teacher can only teach his students how to be lazy.  Look at Guruka Singh, he has a bigger belly than a sumo wrestler.  Yet the poor Sikhs who work hard in factories and farms are giving 3ho money?????  Look at Sant Baba Thakur Singh ji, who spent his whole life in service to sikhi.  Where was his huge belly? Where was his 100 000 thousand dollar income by taking donations?  He had one or two cholas and gave everything he had in his pocket to those who needed the money.  He lived off a few dollars a day.  Sant Jarnail Singh ji Khalsa was the same.  DamDami taksal had a lot of money come in as donations.  Yet as the jathedar, he lived poor.  Sant ji didn't eat sangats money.    

[singh598 471]

I wouldn't say Yogi Bhajan was bad

He bought Sikhism to many people in USA

[harsharan000 3,765]

 

Let us see a bit why Yogi Bhajan was not good at all, forget being a sikh, but even a decent human being.

 

Following is an article written by Steven Hassan which I found on the net, and seems having credibilty:

"The head of the empire, Yogi Bhajan, died in New Mexico in 2004 at the age of seventy-five.

Born Harbhajan Singh Puri, he arrived in the U.S. in 1969. He soon renamed himself Yogi Bhajan. He said he was a well-known holy man back home in India. In reality, in India, Bhajan had been merely a civil servant, a customs inspector.

Members of Yogi Bhajan’s group claim to be Sikhs. However, according to mainstream members of the religion, by adhering to the doctrine of Yogi Bhajan, they are violating more traditional Sikh teachings.

Yogi Bhajan’s teachings are closer to a synthesis of Kundalini yoga, tantric and New Age practices than anything originating from Sikh teachings.
 

The audacity of Yogi Bhajan’s claims makes this story particularly alarming. Bhajan taught, among other things, that he could see auras and see into the future. But perhaps his most outrageous claim was that he was the official religious and administrative leader of all Sikhs in the Western world.

I am told that most legitimate Sikhs avoid any association with Bhajan’s group, and that Yogi Bhajanism is by no means representative of the five-century-old Sikh tradition whose homeland is in the Indian Punjab

Former members with whom I have worked populate and tell their stories on a Delphi forum, “The Wacko World of Yogi Bhajan“. Over the past thirty years I have helped former members who alleged sexual and psychological abuse by and under Yogi Bhajan. There have been allegations of various criminal activities, and also Security Exchange Commission convictions of members of Yogi Bhajan’s inner circle. Several former students of Yogi Bhajan claim that when attempting to leave the group, they were threatened with violence. There is an unsolved murder of a member that is still under investigation, and also haunting suicides.

There is more information on this fraud yogi bhajan which can be read on the following address:(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-hassan/the-disturbing-mainstream_b_667026.html), but the above evidences are more than sufficient to prove out how devlish was this fellow."

 

*And to share a bit of light on the topic of the OP about what is a mantra, and its effects .... following are some basic points :

Mantra is a Sanskrit word that consists of two parts: the root word man, which relates to thought, and the suffix -tra, which refers to tools or instruments. The word literally means “a tool of the mind” or “instrument of thought.”

The word mantra is used to describe any thoughts, utterances, songs, or other sequences of words or sounds that are supposed to have spiritual efficacy or magical power.

A mantra is defined as “a tool of the mind that has a spiritual effect on a person’s will or emotional state of being.” A mantra can be a religious or sacred prayer or chant, but it can also be a spell or supernatural weapon.

Mantras are not specific to any one system of thought or religion.

Generally,any utterance or thought that is believed powerful enough, to affect either the inward state of a person’s mind or the world at large can be called a mantra.

 

[Reecon 2]

11 hours ago, singh598 said:

Your just a little pathetic baby with your pathetic questions

Even the recitation of just gurmuki

Akhar can give you mukti let alone a sentence of bani

All Gurbani is mantar

okay...

I didn't realise that you dwell on an infinitely higher intellectual plain and that my pathetic questions would have offended you so much. 

Thanks Singh. 

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23 hours ago, silverSingh said:

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How does this have 3 likes, and it's not even edited?

[JUSTAJATT 100]

10 hours ago, harsharan000 said:

 

Let us see a bit why Yogi Bhajan was not good at all, forget being a sikh, but even a decent human being.

 

Following is an article written by Steven Hassan which I found on the net, and seems having credibilty:

"The head of the empire, Yogi Bhajan, died in New Mexico in 2004 at the age of seventy-five.

Born Harbhajan Singh Puri, he arrived in the U.S. in 1969. He soon renamed himself Yogi Bhajan. He said he was a well-known holy man back home in India. In reality, in India, Bhajan had been merely a civil servant, a customs inspector.

Members of Yogi Bhajan’s group claim to be Sikhs. However, according to mainstream members of the religion, by adhering to the doctrine of Yogi Bhajan, they are violating more traditional Sikh teachings.

Yogi Bhajan’s teachings are closer to a synthesis of Kundalini yoga, tantric and New Age practices than anything originating from Sikh teachings.
 

The audacity of Yogi Bhajan’s claims makes this story particularly alarming. Bhajan taught, among other things, that he could see auras and see into the future. But perhaps his most outrageous claim was that he was the official religious and administrative leader of all Sikhs in the Western world.

I am told that most legitimate Sikhs avoid any association with Bhajan’s group, and that Yogi Bhajanism is by no means representative of the five-century-old Sikh tradition whose homeland is in the Indian Punjab

Former members with whom I have worked populate and tell their stories on a Delphi forum, “The Wacko World of Yogi Bhajan“. Over the past thirty years I have helped former members who alleged sexual and psychological abuse by and under Yogi Bhajan. There have been allegations of various criminal activities, and also Security Exchange Commission convictions of members of Yogi Bhajan’s inner circle. Several former students of Yogi Bhajan claim that when attempting to leave the group, they were threatened with violence. There is an unsolved murder of a member that is still under investigation, and also haunting suicides.

There is more information on this fraud yogi bhajan which can be read on the following address:(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-hassan/the-disturbing-mainstream_b_667026.html), but the above evidences are more than sufficient to prove out how devlish was this fellow."

 

*And to share a bit of light on the topic of the OP about what is a mantra, and its effects .... following are some basic points :

Mantra is a Sanskrit word that consists of two parts: the root word man, which relates to thought, and the suffix -tra, which refers to tools or instruments. The word literally means “a tool of the mind” or “instrument of thought.”

The word mantra is used to describe any thoughts, utterances, songs, or other sequences of words or sounds that are supposed to have spiritual efficacy or magical power.

A mantra is defined as “a tool of the mind that has a spiritual effect on a person’s will or emotional state of being.” A mantra can be a religious or sacred prayer or chant, but it can also be a spell or supernatural weapon.

Mantras are not specific to any one system of thought or religion.

Generally,any utterance or thought that is believed powerful enough, to affect either the inward state of a person’s mind or the world at large can be called a mantra.

 

substitute the word "yogi bhajan" with your own radhasoami guru, (or any cult/dera) then it will still read the same.

don't know why you've started blowing the baja again with your own "MASKED" agenda!!

 

[JUSTAJATT 100]

there is no paap in doing jaap of any mantra from gurbani...>>as long as the intention is out of pure prem for waheguru.

I'm not gonna make judgements on other sects but from harsharan's examples above, it seems like one cult or sect just continues to fight in the playground with the other sects.  

Someone said above that all gurbani is mantar>> and that is correct. You can sit there saying ek onkaar repearedly if you want. God's not gonna ignore ya.

MANTAR -> means MAN which is MIND. and TAR defines to a tool or something we use to produce an outcome from something. Therfore, MANTAR=,means MIND-Tool.   >>>Game is ALL about the MANN-MIND and how to steady it to focus on just the ONE sachay patshah.  >>>>> as long as you use the mantar fro this purpose and it's from guru''s bani, ie. something that Guru has given personally, >>then there's no problem with this. Dont' matter whether radhasomai, nirankaaris , 3ho or whoever> sings their own versions. WE don't need to be judging them>let GOD do the judging.

 

I know and i can tell you all as i did u-turn on my own life just by starting to jap gurmantar.. I had gone to anger managent classes repeatedly for years and couldn't get any control over this edge of mine.  II know you plonkas on here will try and provoke me as usual cuz of my "jatt" ness factor in my name. But you guys gotta learn that i'm changing one thing at a time and i've come a long way from the streets where i used to be selling gear. In all fairness, bring it on if you want but you just gonna bark at a brick wall. i'm in the absorbing phase at the moment and that means the more punches i take, the tougher i get and the more ego i shed, cuz you will just be knocking off layers of my ego with ya puches....  

 

[simran345 2,500]

8 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

How does this have 3 likes, and it's not even edited?

lol somebody likes full stops. 

[Reecon 2]

14 hours ago, JUSTAJATT said:

there is no paap in doing jaap of any mantra from gurbani...>>as long as the intention is out of pure prem for waheguru.

I'm not gonna make judgements on other sects but from harsharan's examples above, it seems like one cult or sect just continues to fight in the playground with the other sects.  

Someone said above that all gurbani is mantar>> and that is correct. You can sit there saying ek onkaar repearedly if you want. God's not gonna ignore ya.

MANTAR -> means MAN which is MIND. and TAR defines to a tool or something we use to produce an outcome from something. Therfore, MANTAR=,means MIND-Tool.   >>>Game is ALL about the MANN-MIND and how to steady it to focus on just the ONE sachay patshah.  >>>>> as long as you use the mantar fro this purpose and it's from guru''s bani, ie. something that Guru has given personally, >>then there's no problem with this. Dont' matter whether radhasomai, nirankaaris , 3ho or whoever> sings their own versions. WE don't need to be judging them>let GOD do the judging.

 

I know and i can tell you all as i did u-turn on my own life just by starting to jap gurmantar.. I had gone to anger managent classes repeatedly for years and couldn't get any control over this edge of mine.  II know you plonkas on here will try and provoke me as usual cuz of my "jatt" ness factor in my name. But you guys gotta learn that i'm changing one thing at a time and i've come a long way from the streets where i used to be selling gear. In all fairness, bring it on if you want but you just gonna bark at a brick wall. i'm in the absorbing phase at the moment and that means the more punches i take, the tougher i get and the more ego i shed, cuz you will just be knocking off layers of my ego with ya puches....  

 

Thank you. 

Your first sentence was basically the answer I was looking for. 

Because the 'mantra' is something they use I didn't know if it was proper for one to do.

Thank you. 

[harsharan000 3,765]

15 hours ago, JUSTAJATT said:

substitute the word "yogi bhajan" with your own radhasoami guru, (or any cult/dera) then it will still read the same.

don't know why you've started blowing the baja again with your own "MASKED" agenda!!

 

Utter madness , and mentally unbalanced of a so called person, who is  thus worse than the main character in the following video :