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14 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

I knew about christianity because our primary school used to read parables to us each assembley and we used to sing hymns, do the nativity at christmas

Isn't that illegal, or did you and your parents consent to that? And if so why?

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singhunit
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Akalifauj - where have what I said anti-gurmat?   Have I said I celebrate or follow Jesus? I buy my children a present and have a tree (with no star on top before you get excited).  

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Fateh I have a tree for my children and no I am not a cocount.  My children know their history but I also want them to integrate with their community, children at school etc. Yes I buy them

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We're complaining that our children, and adults for that matter, don't celebrate our own festivals or occasions. Why is that? It's because there is no formalised celebration(s). There is no ritua

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1 hour ago, simran345 said:

It was the same at our school. We also sang hymns in assembly. It was the norm in all schools, but I don’t know what it is nowadays. 

Its absurd that you guys had to go through this. Does the UK not have separate Christian/Catholic schools? This is literally imposing religion onto impressionable young children. Its wrong on so many levels!

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15 minutes ago, TejS said:

Its absurd that you guys had to go through this. Does the UK not have separate Christian/Catholic schools? This is literally imposing religion onto impressionable young children. Its wrong on so many levels!

Yeah well this was a long time ago. Many many moons ago. There were no Sikhi schools then, it was part of a normal school routine to sing hymns. I used to have a bible too, but don’t remember much. Nativity plays are still done in schools at Christmas time, but I don’t know about the hymns. I guess it depends which area you are in too. I think there weren’t any Sikhi schools then either, as we lived in a majority gora area. The catholic schools were separate from our school. We didn’t have the privileges of what there are now. But it was down to the parents/family to teach the children about their faith/religion. Not sure if Sikhi is taught in RE classes now. The Gurdwara did have Punjabi classes, which I attended for a bit and our secondary school had a few too, which I was at top always. Don’t know why as I didn’t study much, but somehow seemed to be good at it. 

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2 hours ago, TejS said:

Isn't that illegal, or did you and your parents consent to that? And if so why?

I don't know about the UK, but when I studied at a  Convent school in India (which was perceived to be one of the best) for some months, we had to sing Catholic prayers every day and refusing to do so could result in punishment (fines, hitting with stick or even expulsion). I remember during Christmas season, we had to sing extra prayers (Silent Night, Christmas Tree etc).  "Sisters" (nuns) would take extra measures to punish kids speaking Punjabi, especially during Christmas month. 

 

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5 hours ago, TejS said:

Isn't that illegal, or did you and your parents consent to that? And if so why?

no it is not illegal  or at least it wasn't then and teachers and headteachers were not constrained in how to teach as the current spoonfed neo liberal slush given to our kids.

in the seventies , people actually still talked about the faith of the land ...nothing unusual really ...Indians are forever talking about their majority religions and forcing their chosen languages on others.

it was a state school , and we all sang the songs when told to close eyes and bow heads I did the same but did naam japp ...same with my siblings

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On Thursday, December 28, 2017 at 10:11 PM, MrDoaba said:

 

Yes kids are ignorant, that was my point, they are ignorant to the facts, hence, everything I said in my post.

This all makes sense although, again, I do not see how it relates to the matter being discussed. I'm talking about formal celebration of the day itself, traditions! Something to mark the day. Sikhs as a whole do not have enthusiasm when it comes to their own celebrations. Then we b!tch and moan when kids don't know about it, or don't want to celebrate it, or when the day in question is sidelined because it is perceived as boring - Sakhis and Ithiaas only go so far.

 

Who chose not to tell those children about gurpurabs. The more you find out and share with your children the more they will undetstand about sikhi. I think a parents course should be developed which teaches sikh parents about what to talk to the choldren about.

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On 29/12/2017 at 9:15 AM, TejS said:

Its absurd that you guys had to go through this. Does the UK not have separate Christian/Catholic schools? This is literally imposing religion onto impressionable young children. Its wrong on so many levels!

the only reason there is seperation of church and state in the US is because the church would be outspoken against the STate and that didn't suit the fed reserve and elites so they are now muzzled by threatening their tax exempt status.

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On 26/12/2017 at 11:46 PM, Big_Tera said:

Slowly slowly your kids with becomes jehovas witness. slowlys but surely young female Sikh wen will have crosses on the knecks. dont be foolish. This is happening rigjt now. We are turning into coconuts. 

 

I dont know. when we were young we always wanted to have a tree. None of my siblings have become Christians yet.

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