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I have heard and read this expression from atheist's who argue you don't need to follow a  religion to know the difference between what is right or wrong thing to do or have morals.

I would strongly disagree because:

1) Without a good religion (such as sikhi) you could be indoctrinated to follow some other ideology which could tell you its ok to commit murder, rape, robbery against the person who isn't from your group.

2) What is right in one religion/ideology can be wrong in another.

E.g.slaughtering an animal in agnosing death then eating meeting its meat such as beef is perfectly fine in judaism/Islam. However in hinduism killing a cow is a sin and wrong and slaughtering animals inhumanely is wrong other non-abrahamic faiths.

E.g Its wrong in islam to worship more than 1 God other than arab pagan moon God Allah however in hinduism it's not wrong and you can worship millions of Gods.

3) Evolution theory which atheists look too for existence of everything see's no right or wrong when it comes to genociding/extincting whole species/races of people. Because its the survival of the fittest if your group is not strong enough to out compete those who are trying to undermine or harm you then you do not deserve to exist as per the evolution theory. It is only a firm adherence to sort of civilized belief systems, a religion that has kept humanity from destroying each other to the point of existence as was the case when modern humans fought with other human species (such as Neanderthals) where eventually those others died off due to genocide.

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If you look at Moses and the Ten Commandments, as an example, they state some things which you think would be obvious eg thou shalt not steal. 

We know stealing is wrong but only because we have been brought up that way. A child who does not know the concept of ownership (eg this toy belongs to that child) would struggle to understand that taking something that belongs to others is wrong. You would have to educate the child, and for that to happen, the parents would need to be aware  

Secondly, look at bani and how Guru Ji repeatedly tells us to naam jap. Guru Ji could have written it once. But Guru Ji does it repeatedly. Why? To reinforce the importance of the message. 

In both cases, by laying down some ground rules, you can live a morally good life.

Science developed as a way to know God. By being able to explain the world, it would help to know the mind of the Lord. Without religion, science would not have flourished. Would we have reached the point we have now? Even in this "Age of Information", people are still committing crimes. Clearly the laws of the land are insufficient in eradicating crime. 

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On ‎6‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 11:11 AM, genie said:

I have heard and read this expression from atheist's who argue you don't need to follow a  religion to know the difference between what is right or wrong thing to do or have morals.

I would strongly disagree because:

1) Without a good religion (such as sikhi) you could be indoctrinated to follow some other ideology which could tell you its ok to commit murder, rape, robbery against the person who isn't from your group.

 

That is a good point. Such as incels now or school shooters in the USA. They think its right to take revenge for the harm they suffered, for their sadness. 

Also even with a good religion, ppl can be indoctrinated into a political ideology that allows us to commit murder and robbery from nongroup ppl.

Look at ISIS, 

And even some sikh fighters during 84 got so caught up in ideology that they forgot the religion. Like  the ppl who blew up Air India (even tho some say it was an indian set up. Its responsible to accept blame) or those who threatened  hindus (christiana mehmoud writes about a sikh, who set up bombs in hindu marketplaces just cuz they hindu and they hated Sikhs) or kidnapped children of high ranking officers. 

Ofc compared to other civil and guerilla wars, such as Balkans, isreal, etc Sikhs hardly killed any innocent civilians

 

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