Punjab Suba was a mistake .

[S1ngh]

Punjab industry was in Gurgaon from the very beginning when it was part of Punjab state. Haryana didn’t create any industry but it was taken away illegally after it was made a different state. Haryana are anti Sikh ppl and they are bit crazy- out of control.

[jkvlondon]

6 hours ago, TejS said:

What does something that happened 34 years ago that the people of Punjab have already forgotten and are instead too indulged in their menial riches/showoff and drug abuse have to do with the economy? 

The economy of Punjab is falling because our people are, and I have said it many times on here, not interested in any worthwhile pursuits. Farming? Nah we'll let that migrants do that. Education? Nah, we're going to Canada. Business? Nah, that's what Banias do. The only constant thing they pursue is selling off their lands for materialistic interests and drugs. There are no businesses being started and grown in Punjab by Punjabis themselves. No initiatives set up by the gov't to attract foreign investment. Even Canada, the beloved country of our people, did not invest into Punjab in their last trip to India. The gov't of Punjab simply could not secure Canadian investment that Haryana, Gujarat, Bangalore managed to do.

But then again what do I know? I'm the one lacking in common sense right, so please educate me.

it wasn't just one incident in amritsar it was the kettling of punjab and the systematic murder of the ablebodied generation of that time , removing the protection, the breadwinners, the next upcoming generation , the ones who could have guided the babies to adulthood . The systematic rape of the mothers and daughters traumatising them so they too were not capable of inspiring the babies . It was also the 'policing' over two decades which involved disappearing any aankhi sikhs moneh or amritdhari . with this going on there was a determined shut down of education places and increase of teke , govt sponsored influx of drugs   . There are people in Punjab staying and striving but this is risky business as the GOI doesn't want Punjab's fate to be positive and achievements notable . Captain is the reason we did not secure trade because he was on a mission to prevent confidence in the state.  Sikhs have to go back to gurbani and what its faisla is ...do what is required with our own hands, don't trust anyone's promises look captain obese even swore on gurbani that he would remove the drug threat within 4 weeks ... we all know that Guru Pita ji told us specifically DO NOT TRUST THE OATHS AND PROMISES MADE ON HOLY SCRIPTURES OR THE PEOPLKE MAKING THEM. It is clear Captain Obese is panth dusht.

[Ranjeet01]

15 hours ago, TejS said:

You're in denial. Haryana is doing far better economically than Punjab. It is far more developed too. The politicians of Haryana are far less corrupt than Punjab and are actually working to better the lives of their people.

Here, look at the GDP of Indian states, Haryana is richer than Punjab:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_states_and_union_territories_by_GDP

 

Haryana's success is predominantly due to Gurgaon. 

Gurgaon's success is predominantly due to it's proximity to Delhi. 

Gurgaon has only developed in the last 20-30 years, before then it was extremely backward.

Generally speaking areas around capital cities are always going to have better development because of political reasons and therefore  money will be spent in these areas. 

You see this across the world. Virginia in the US is a very wealthy state because it is near DC.

 

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

 

Haryana's success is predominantly due to Gurgaon. 

Gurgaon's success is predominantly due to it's proximity to Delhi. 

Gurgaon has only developed in the last 20-30 years, before then it was extremely backward.

Generally speaking areas around capital cities are always going to have better development because of political reasons and therefore  money will be spent in these areas. 

You see this across the world. Virginia in the US is a very wealthy state because it is near DC.

 

also Virginia is one of the oldest settlements in the USA

[puzzled]

I agree with Tejs, as someone who goes Punjab every year, their obsession with leaving Punjab for the West is real. These people are hungry for the west, they refuse to go college or work, and have put everything on a standstill  because they want to go abroad. Young people have told be that in the west they will be happy to clean toilets but they are not gnna work in Punjab under any circumstances. They refuse to work because they told me it is baijti and that work is for chamars and other lower castes. They say doing work does not look good in Punjab but its ok in the west. Even jobs like repairing cars, changing tires is considered baijti, your not supposed to paint house either apparently, that to is reserved for lower castes. Women are refusing to milk cows, or broom the area where the cows/buffalo are kept or take roti over to the field for their husbands, they get the bihari workers to do all that for them. Women just make roti and then lie on the manjas with their massive bellies. 

Peoples obsession with the west is getting so bad that many send their daughters to spend time with NRI visitors,  spend time with them, go shopping, go out to eat in the hope that these NRI men will agree to marry them by the end of their trip!  Females are obsessed with the west as much as the guys, many are prepared to marry 50 60 year olds or even do sexual favors for NRI men! yup its true. Several of my cousins in India have told me that it would be very easy for me to get girls and have sex because many of the girls will agree to sleep with me with the hope that they will have a chance to go abroad! and im not talking about the poor, dalit girls but your average middle class punjabi girls. Many of them women will have their knickers around their ankles in no time for NRI men. The hunger to go abroad is real! If you go Punjab and just sit with your parents then you don't notice much of this but if you actually go out and about and interact with the young people then you will hear some shocking <banned word filter activated> from them.   

With this mentality Punjab is far from positive change. The people there are refusing to do anything about it. My family are from Doaba, Nawanshahr, perhaps its different in other parts of Punjab...

[puzzled]

Im also shocked with the lack of sexual morality in pinds! everyone has sex with everyone! pinds are like a massive orgy. young people hookup with each other through FB and they have these big networks running through the pind where you can basically ring anyone up and have sex with them! everyone is at it! Even the middle aged lot! many of the aunties go to the shar/city to get some. There are illegitimate kids in pinds too, my own mama has a kid with a married woman in the same pind! married women are sleeping with other men, married men are sleeping with other married women etc 

They are very disgusting people 

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, puzzled said:

Im also shocked with the lack of sexual morality in pinds! everyone has sex with everyone! pinds are like a massive orgy. young people hookup with each other through FB and they have these big networks running through the pind where you can basically ring anyone up and have sex with them! everyone is at it! Even the middle aged lot! many of the aunties go to the shar/city to get some. There are illegitimate kids in pinds too, my own mama has a kid with a married woman in the same pind! married women are sleeping with other men, married men are sleeping with other married women etc 

They are very disgusting people 

I thought majority of pind vasi are related through blood ...that's pretty low and disgusting if that's true

[TejS]

6 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it wasn't just one incident in amritsar it was the kettling of punjab and the systematic murder of the ablebodied generation of that time , removing the protection, the breadwinners, the next upcoming generation , the ones who could have guided the babies to adulthood . The systematic rape of the mothers and daughters traumatising them so they too were not capable of inspiring the babies . It was also the 'policing' over two decades which involved disappearing any aankhi sikhs moneh or amritdhari . with this going on there was a determined shut down of education places and increase of teke , govt sponsored influx of drugs   . There are people in Punjab staying and striving but this is risky business as the GOI doesn't want Punjab's fate to be positive and achievements notable . Captain is the reason we did not secure trade because he was on a mission to prevent confidence in the state.  Sikhs have to go back to gurbani and what its faisla is ...do what is required with our own hands, don't trust anyone's promises look captain obese even swore on gurbani that he would remove the drug threat within 4 weeks ... we all know that Guru Pita ji told us specifically DO NOT TRUST THE OATHS AND PROMISES MADE ON HOLY SCRIPTURES OR THE PEOPLKE MAKING THEM. It is clear Captain Obese is panth dusht.

Punjabis are doing good from what I've seen. Most families in Punjab are doing great economically and are comfortable. And that is the problem. Many of them think this is all it should be. There is no desire to innovate, to create. Do something with that money for the Sikh community like opening up an institution to educate or starting a business to employ more youth, don't just spend it on depreciating items like cars and phones.  Perhaps its having been raised in a Western setting that I cannot see eye to eye with the kind of mentality those people share. 

[TejS]

9 hours ago, S1ngh said:

Punjab industry was in Gurgaon from the very beginning when it was part of Punjab state. Haryana didn’t create any industry but it was taken away illegally after it was made a different state. Haryana are anti Sikh ppl and they are bit crazy- out of control.

Agreed. But I would also argue that industry was flourishing in places like Ludhiana/Amritsar. However, Sikh Punjabis aren't interested in growing those cities to the levels of Chennai or Bangalore. 

[TejS]

7 hours ago, Ranjeet01 said:

 

Haryana's success is predominantly due to Gurgaon. 

Gurgaon's success is predominantly due to it's proximity to Delhi. 

Gurgaon has only developed in the last 20-30 years, before then it was extremely backward.

Generally speaking areas around capital cities are always going to have better development because of political reasons and therefore  money will be spent in these areas. 

You see this across the world. Virginia in the US is a very wealthy state because it is near DC.

 

This is also a good point. However, this shouldn't stop Sikhs from investing/creating businesses right? It should actually serve as an impetus to build better/greater cities on our own. That sentiment however is not shared by our people in Punjab.