Music in Sikhi

[puzzled]

Modern day media including music and popular media personalities like the karsashians corrupt society, it's because of media that we live in such a degraded moral less society. Celebs encourage women to be sl@gs, the media endorses this by placing trash like the Kardashians on a platform. 

[Akalifauj]

3 hours ago, Koi said:

Could I ask (as an extension to the original question) about dancing? Personally I believe (much like profane music) that it is not allowed. However, if we were to be asked about evidence from Gurbani  (and let's face it, we always are) then what quotes for proof can we give? I usually say that there is no evidence from the Gurus bani (Aad Dasam Sarbloh), bhai Gurdas, bhai Nand Lal, any ithihas  (panth parkash (parcheen/naveen), suraj prakash), janam sakhi, mahapursh bachan etc etc that allows dancing within Sikhi. However, usually people who try and view Gurbani with a black-and-white/abrahamic mindset try to say that there is no explicit "command" that forbids it. 

Would like to know the Sangat's thoughts on this, and how they would answer such a question.

Guru Nanak Dev ji Bani on muslims dancing in a circle, basically spinning on the spot. Satguru speaks against it.  

[jkvlondon]

2 hours ago, Akalifauj said:

Guru Nanak Dev ji Bani on muslims dancing in a circle, basically spinning on the spot. Satguru speaks against it.  

you mean dervaishs ? If I remember He actually specifies what makes a true dervaish ...

[Akalifauj]

1 hour ago, jkvlondon said:

you mean dervaishs ? If I remember He actually specifies what makes a true dervaish ...

Yes, and Guru Nanak Dev ji tells them to give up the dancing.  

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥

ਵਾਜਾ ਮਤਿ ਪਖਾਵਜੁ ਭਾਉ ॥

ਹੋਇ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਸਦਾ ਮਨਿ ਚਾਉ ॥

ਏਹਾ ਭਗਤਿ ਏਹੋ ਤਪ ਤਾਉ ॥

ਇਤੁ ਰੰਗਿ ਨਾਚਹੁ ਰਖਿ ਰਖਿ ਪਾਉ ॥੧॥

ਪੂਰੇ ਤਾਲ ਜਾਣੈ ਸਾਲਾਹ ॥

ਹੋਰੁ ਨਚਣਾ ਖੁਸੀਆ ਮਨ ਮਾਹ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਸਤੁ ਸੰਤੋਖੁ ਵਜਹਿ ਦੁਇ ਤਾਲ ॥

ਪੈਰੀ ਵਾਜਾ ਸਦਾ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥

ਰਾਗੁ ਨਾਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਦੂਜਾ ਭਾਉ ॥

ਇਤੁ ਰੰਗਿ ਨਾਚਹੁ ਰਖਿ ਰਖਿ ਪਾਉ ॥੨॥

ਭਉ ਫੇਰੀ ਹੋਵੈ ਮਨ ਚੀਤਿ ॥

ਬਹਦਿਆ ਉਠਦਿਆ ਨੀਤਾ ਨੀਤਿ ॥

ਲੇਟਣਿ ਲੇਟਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਤਨੁ ਸੁਆਹੁ ॥

ਇਤੁ ਰੰਗਿ ਨਾਚਹੁ ਰਖਿ ਰਖਿ ਪਾਉ ॥੩॥

ਸਿਖ ਸਭਾ ਦੀਖਿਆ ਕਾ ਭਾਉ ॥

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਸੁਣਣਾ ਸਾਚਾ ਨਾਉ ॥

ਨਾਨਕ ਆਖਣੁ ਵੇਰਾ ਵੇਰ ॥

ਇਤੁ ਰੰਗਿ ਨਾਚਹੁ ਰਖਿ ਰਖਿ ਪੈਰ ॥੪॥੬॥

[Sukhvirk1976]

On 12/31/2018 at 2:29 AM, jkvlondon said:

Gurbani tells us not to listen to profane songs in exchange of kirtan/ doing bandagi , but it's your choice ... agreed stop asking retarded questions , sikhi is totally a personal relationship to the divine.

Where in gurbani does it tell us that? 

[jkvlondon]

6 hours ago, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Where in gurbani does it tell us that? 

ang 1342

rwig nwid mnu dUjY Bwie ] (1342-7)
raag naad man doojai bhaa-ay.
In music and song, the mind is caught by the love of duality.

AMqir kptu mhw duKu pwie ] (1342-7)
antar kapat mahaa dukh paa-ay.
Filled with deception deep within, one suffers in terrible pain.

siqguru BytY soJI pwie ] (1342-7)
satgur bhaytai sojhee paa-ay.
Meeting with the True Guru, one is blessed with clear understanding,

scY nwim rhY ilv lwie ]4] (1342-7)
sachai naam rahai liv laa-ay. ||4||
and remains lovingly attuned to the True Name. ||4||

scY sbid scu kmwvY ] (1342-8)
sachai sabad sach kamaavai.
Through the True Word of the Shabad, one practices Truth.

scI bwxI hir gux gwvY ] (1342-8)
sachee banee har gun gaavai.
He sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord, through the True Word of His Bani.

inj Gir vwsu Amr pdu pwvY ] (1342-8)
nij ghar vaas amar pad paavai.
He dwells in the home of his own heart deep within, and obtains the immortal status.

[mahandulai]

19 hours ago, puzzled said:

Modern day media including music and popular media personalities like the karsashians corrupt society, it's because of media that we live in such a degraded moral less society. Celebs encourage women to be sl@gs, the media endorses this by placing trash like the Kardashians on a platform. 

disagree with this statement,

the kardashians, are not made out to be this at all.

19 hours ago, puzzled said:

Hip hop is about sex, @as, women, alcohol and money.  When it first came about it was very lyrical and poetic and was about bringing around positive social change and reform, the media then corrupted the movement and made it about sex, alcohol and money, media is owned by the government and the government didnt want thise social changes. I mean music today tells women to be b!tches and strippers and to shake their @ss,  this is the opposite of the social change musc was trying to bring around. i think they say over 50% of African Americans are kids of single mothers now.

 

hip hop, songs like that talks about temptations of the world, like any song, and isnt that what gurbani talks about?

literally the same thing.

[jkvlondon]

4 minutes ago, mahandulai said:

disagree with this statement,

the kardashians, are not made out to be this at all.

hip hop, songs like that talks about temptations of the world, like any song, and isnt that what gurbani talks about?

literally the same thing.

no Gurbani says its rubbish, a distraction, pointless  whereas Hip Hop encourages it to be partaken of, in fact promotes it as the only measure of success whereas Gurbani says nothing will come out it .....so POLAR OPPOSITES

[puzzled]

14 minutes ago, mahandulai said:

disagree with this statement,

the kardashians, are not made out to be this at all.

Kim first made it big when the world saw a leaked video of her sucking Ray J d!ck, before that no one cared about her she was just paris hiltons freind. Later, Kim's claim to fame is her fat @SS, it's her @SS that made her who she is today, without that fat @SS she would be a nobody. Your average guy she's her as nothing but a wh0re,  

[mahandulai]

5 minutes ago, puzzled said:

Kim first made it big when the world saw a leaked video of her sucking Ray J d!ck, before that no one cared about her she was just paris hiltons freind. Later, Kim's claim to fame is her fat @SS, it's her @SS that made her who she is today, without that fat @SS she would be a nobody. Your average guy she's her as nothing but a wh0re,  

disagree bro, watch her vids, no one gains an empire like that, without a ounce of smarts.