Should we feel sorry for Sikhs or not?

[Guest Dera Premi]

22 hours ago, Guest guest said:

why should they 'take care' of these issues^?

if people want to join deras etc, let them, so what?

p.s. what is dhumma???

 

[intrigued]

There is a difference in the missionary styles of Sikhs in the past and what is thought of today (Christian Missionaries). Sikh Masands (imo) didn't go with the intent to convert others, but rather spread Sikhi, and make others more aware of the truth. BOS's Street Parchar is sorta somewhat like this today. The Masands didn't have the thought process that many Christian Missionaries had that if you don't convert, you will burn. Those missionaries are focused on increasing their numbers of those that identify with their faith while not counting who actually practices their faith.

 

Just an important distinction that I felt needed to be made...

[Guest Punjab]

On 1/20/2019 at 5:48 AM, Guest Sikh demographics said:

We often hear about how we as Asians non-Sikhs feel sorry for the ingenious white people indigenous Sikhs of the UK east Punjab due to the perceived take over there by ethnic minorities non-Sikhs

Ie Britian east Punjab, in certain areas have become a white Sikh minority population areas like Doaba. 

ie before the last 50 years whites Sikhs were the clear majority in the UK then newly created smaller east Punjab.

But now they are becoming the minority in their own tiny homeland. (Shock horror)

But should we feel sorry for our pale skinned long haired friends?

After all it was these peoples Sikhs who did no parchar about the truth of Sikhi. They never committed any genocides or wars against innocents. But are they getting a taste of their own medicine and Karma for all the bad lack of parchar they did in India, Africa and all over the world? ie they looted ignored billions of poor non-white people in Asia and Africa crying out for Sikhi in contrast to Christianity and Islam that killed millions and enslaved millions as the most Genocidal religions the World has ever seen. Christian Europeans and Muslim Arabs were the biggest robbers and war criminals the world has ever seen. But they both have 200 times more adherents to those slavemaster faiths than Sikhs. Even just in India there are 10 times the number of Muslims and Christians combined as there are Sikhs (excluding Pakistan and Bangladesh).

If Sikhs did not try every exclude sehajdhari non-Punjabi people from the Panth there would not be many of us non-Sikhs left in India let alone in Punjab

If we look at the racial ethnic mix of the UK east Punjab. Majority come from former colonies areas strongly associated with Sikhi in the Indian sub continent such as Bihar where Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj and Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji were born. 

Are the british Sikhs getting their just desserts? 

Their religion Sikhi is indisputably the Truth. But they don’t do parchar. They make it difficult for sehajdhari non-Punjabi’s or even so-called Hindu Punjabi’s to feel part of the Sikh Panth. They even define regular Gurdwara Sangat as non-Sikhs on the basis of family background. Their SGPC hasn’t even translated the Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj into the languages of the Panj Piare spoke such as the Dravidian languages, Gujarati and Odisha bhasha and Urdu and Gojri. Instead of setting up 550 new schools, medical dispensaries, hospitals for poor and oppressed in the 550^th year after Guru Nanak Dev Ji came to Earth these rich western Sikhs are more interested in enriching the Pakistani Government and hoteliers by visiting Pakistan. They think Sikhi is a faith inherited by birth and defined solely by the criteria of non-Amritdhari’s keeping hair or not to be counted as Sikhs.

But now as a result we non-Sikhs are going to rule leave them a minority in east Punjab very soon and they are becoming a smaller and smaller minority throughout the rest of India as a result of their idiotic community representatives defining anyone with a haircut (like Guru da Sikh Bhai Moti Ram Mehra) as a Hindu and defining anyone with a circumcision as a Muslim (like Bhai Mardana Ji). If the Sikhs cannot unite every pind in Punjab under a single united Gurdwara in the next 2years don't they deserve to decrease in percentage of population more and more each year?

Waheguru mehr kareh

[Singh1989]

I think we need to see how this scenario can be seen. Imagine Usain Bolt VS a 150kg man who just ate 10 Porahti before their 200 meter race. 

Sikhs are encouraging this 150kg lad, giving him Shabashe, even though they know he's gonna lose, but betted 100 or 1000's for him to come first... Usain wins leaving a 150kg man looking at ਛਿੱਤਰ from the Sikhs. 

So... Should we be sorry for the Sikhs or the 150kg pot bellied Sikh who just asked for Porahti??? 

[dallysingh101]

30 minutes ago, Singh1989 said:

So... Should we be sorry for the Sikhs or the 150kg pot bellied Sikh who just asked for Porahti??? 

They both seem like id1ots in your scenario........

[Singh1989]

14 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

They both seem like id1ots in your scenario........

 

Yes! We're getting somewhere. Both idiots...

[dallysingh101]

3 hours ago, Singh1989 said:

 

Yes! We're getting somewhere. Both idiots...

Well I've been subtly advocating for serious change in our quom for a while now, but I don't think our lot are as dynamic and organised in reacting to changing circumstances as our ancestors were.

[GurjantGnostic]

17 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Well I've been subtly advocating for serious change in our quom for a while now, but I don't think our lot are as dynamic and organised in reacting to changing circumstances as our ancestors were.

Sikhi has always caught like a flame to dry grass when needed. 

I wonder if small groups just went full bore, call it a pocket of progress, if the rest of the Paanth could be capable of quick change because of their foundation in the principles, just needing that match put to it?