What is free will in sikhi?

[Akalifauj]

7 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

So you do not believe in good and bad karma? So if i sat in bed all day like a lazy bum, that is all Veheguru? ( Kum karan vich daridar nahee karnaa — Work hard and don't be lazy.) if I rape/kill/rob its all Veheguru? It seems like you want to take the blame off the person and just put it all on Veheguru. 

 

 

Again I will ask you does Vaheguru know what choice a person will make?  

[Redoptics]

20 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Again I will ask you does Vaheguru know what choice a person will make?  

Well no or whats the point of an option ?

This is why we have good/bad karma otherwise the reason of reincarnation does not make sense.

[Akalifauj]

13 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

Well no or whats the point of an option ?

This is why we have good/bad karma otherwise the reason of reincarnation does not make sense.

Does Gurbani say Vaheguru is not all knowing?

[Redoptics]

20 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Does Gurbani say Vaheguru is not all knowing?

Yes, but also says ...

ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੀਆ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ॥ Ahankaar Karehi Ahankaareeaa Viaapiaa Man Kee Math || The egotistical are engrossed in egotism, ensnared by the intellect of the mind. ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੭੧) ੩:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧  Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev ਤਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਆਪਿ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ਨਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਪਤਿ ॥੩॥ Thin Prabh Aap Bhulaaeiaa Naa This Jaath N Path ||3|| One who is deceived by God Himself, has no position and no honor. ||3|| ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੭੧) ੩:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੨  Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev

Ang 42 if you want to read it

[Akalifauj]

15 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

Yes, but also says ...

ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੀਆ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ॥ Ahankaar Karehi Ahankaareeaa Viaapiaa Man Kee Math || The egotistical are engrossed in egotism, ensnared by the intellect of the mind. ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੭੧) ੩:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧  Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev ਤਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਆਪਿ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ਨਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਪਤਿ ॥੩॥ Thin Prabh Aap Bhulaaeiaa Naa This Jaath N Path ||3|| One who is deceived by God Himself, has no position and no honor. ||3|| ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੭੧) ੩:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੨  Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev

I asked you does Gurbani say Vaheguru is NOT all knowing? You responding by saying, yes?

[Redoptics]

1 minute ago, Akalifauj said:

I asked you does Gurbani say Vaheguru is NOT all knowing? You responding by saying, yes?

My mistake,  I ment Vaheguru is all knowing.

[Akalifauj]

21 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

Yes, but also says ...

ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਕਰਹਿ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੀਆ ਵਿਆਪਿਆ ਮਨ ਕੀ ਮਤਿ ॥ Ahankaar Karehi Ahankaareeaa Viaapiaa Man Kee Math || The egotistical are engrossed in egotism, ensnared by the intellect of the mind. ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੭੧) ੩:੩ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੧  Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev ਤਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਆਪਿ ਭੁਲਾਇਆ ਨਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਾਤਿ ਨ ਪਤਿ ॥੩॥ Thin Prabh Aap Bhulaaeiaa Naa This Jaath N Path ||3|| One who is deceived by God Himself, has no position and no honor. ||3|| ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ (ਮਃ ੫) (੭੧) ੩:੪ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੪੨ ਪੰ. ੧੨  Sri Raag Guru Arjan Dev

Ang 42 if you want to read it

Okay so according to Gurbani Vaheguru is all knowing.   We both agree on this.

So what don't you understand of the two pauris you provided?  

[Redoptics]

6 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Okay so according to Gurbani Vaheguru is all knowing.   We both agree on this.

So what don't you understand of the two pauris you provided?  

That you still have a choice, how does egotism play into anything if Vaheguru didn't give us free will?

[Akalifauj]

2 minutes ago, Redoptics said:

That you still have a choice, how does egotism play into anything if Vaheguru didn't give us free will?

Does Vaheguru control everything in creation?

[Redoptics]

3 minutes ago, Akalifauj said:

Does Vaheguru control everything in creation?

Yes, but still gives us options, from what I am gathering from you, Vaheguru is everything and everything is pre written