Modern-day singhs being weak.

[KhoonKaBadlaKhoon]

What Canada are you living in? Most of these Punjabi Sikh kids here love fighting. Or do you mean full on sabt soorat gursikhs in specific?

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

I don't know how many times this topic keeps cropping again and again and again.

You wimps know what you need to do, just do it, stop making BS excuses.

Go to the gym and improve your fitness, lift weights.

Take up boxing and martial arts, learn to defend yourself.

It's not that hard, it is simple, just get off your ****

We look around in the hope others will join us in a brave breakaway from the norm. Stepping outside accepted conventions is a daunting task for most people; it's tougher for a community such as ours that's still conditioned to conform in many ways.

What I've learnt is that only those who have nothing to lose are brave enough to take that step into the unknown. The guy with a comfortable life who's pulling in 5 or 6 figures; has spacial living conditions, and a decent support system has no reason to upset the status quo that's provided him with the comforts he and his dependents have weaned themselves into believing they cannot survive without. That guy isn't going to lead the call for change. In fact, he'll try his utmost to temper the dissent because he realises it has the potential to upset his apple cart in the future.

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

We look around in the hope others will join us in a brave breakaway from the norm. Stepping outside accepted conventions is a daunting task for most people; it's tougher for a community such as ours that's still conditioned to conform in many ways.

What I've learnt is that only those who have nothing to lose are brave enough to take that step into the unknown. The guy with a comfortable life who's pulling in 5 or 6 figures; has spacial living conditions, and a decent support system has no reason to upset the status quo that's provided him with the comforts he and his dependents have weaned themselves into believing they cannot survive without. That guy isn't going to lead the call for change. In fact, he'll try his utmost to temper the dissent because he realises it has the potential to upset his apple cart in the future.

That is one part of it for sure. 

Some of our people are too comfortable.

Our forefathers did not get where they were without stepping out of that comfort zone.

We as a community over intellectualise too much (particularly on this forum) It creates analysis by paralysis. 

That is one thing that the pendu unparh types have over us and that is take chances and not fear failure. 

It could be due to them having nothing to lose, it could be due to their hunger and desire. 

However, us intellectual comfortable types may need some discomfort if we want to maintain and appreciate the lives we have created for ourselves. 

You see this white collar boxing thing taking off with these guys that earn 6 figures. There is something clearly lacking in us.

We need to get it back.

[Big_Tera]

Toughness is a psychological thing. Nothing to do with physique. 

Look at some black people.

Even a skinny short black dude will act tough and be feared. 

You see with blacks and some other marginalised youths/communities 

Many come from ghettos. No money or job. In and out of prison. They will fight anyone and everyone as they have nothing to lose in life. 

You want some law abiding hardworking Sikh to become like a ghetto thug. involved in crime and knifings and stabbing to be feared?

Sikhs need to use their intellect rather then their fists. 

 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You see this white collar boxing thing taking off with these guys that earn 6 figures. There is something clearly lacking in us.

We need to get it back.

Another unpopular opinion: these people (not white-collar boxers; generally, people with an inkling for the rough and tumble / slightly riskier side of existence) aren't emotionally blackmailed into conformity by religious or spiritual beliefs that lean too heavily to the side of inaction, pacifism, karmic balance ("what goes around, comes around" therefore we thumb the nose at the divine order of letting things take their course by taking matters into our own hands), etc. There's absolutely an aspect of these ideas that are true, but we seem to hide behind these truths because the alternative, equally valid opposite end of the spectrum, seems to be something we've been conditioned to believe that only "bad", unintelligent, unsophisticated people do. That was never the case in our heyday. Domestication, per se, has de-fanged us. We've lost that edge. We need to regain it, quickly.

[Ranjeet01]

1 hour ago, MisterrSingh said:

Another unpopular opinion: these people (not white-collar boxers; generally, people with an inkling for the rough and tumble / slightly riskier side of existence) aren't emotionally blackmailed into conformity by religious or spiritual beliefs that lean too heavily to the side of inaction, pacifism, karmic balance ("what goes around, comes around" therefore we thumb the nose at the divine order of letting things take their course by taking matters into our own hands), etc. There's absolutely an aspect of these ideas that are true, but we seem to hide behind these truths because the alternative, equally valid opposite end of the spectrum, seems to be something we've been conditioned to believe that only "bad", unintelligent, unsophisticated people do. That was never the case in our heyday. Domestication, per se, has de-fanged us. We've lost that edge. We need to regain it, quickly.

What our people have misunderstood is that you do not need to swing 100 per cent one way or the other. 

Discernment is key.

There is a time to be intellectual and there is a time to be "physically confrontational " for want of a better word.

Sometimes you don't have to be violent.  One just need to stand up and stand firm. The message you portray is that is not that you will be violent, it is that you could be violent. 

This is the message Sikhs of the past sent out.

[IshR]

2 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Toughness is a psychological thing. Nothing to do with physique. 

Look at some black people.

Even a skinny short black dude will act tough and be feared. 

You see with blacks and some other marginalised youths/communities 

Many come from ghettos. No money or job. In and out of prison. They will fight anyone and everyone as they have nothing to lose in life. 

You want some law abiding hardworking Sikh to become like a ghetto thug. involved in crime and knifings and stabbing to be feared?

Sikhs need to use their intellect rather then their fists. 

 

A true warrior is both mentally and physically strong.

You say-

”use intellect rather then their fists”

Guru gobind singh maharaj said when all other means fail it is righteous to use the sword. 

If an innocent woman or child is getting attacked on the street, you will use intellect how? A true sikh will destroy any aggressor there on the spot. 

You think a Sikh should hide away and call the police? 

No one is suggesting Sikhs should become ghetto thugs, but we should be able to face up to / defend ourselves or other innocents against such thugs using violence if necessary. 

Further more, true Sikhs accept death, they too have nothing to lose, this is a great quality, in fact guruji says before coming to him-

pehla maran kabool jeevan ji schad aas 

first accept death and give up all hope of life

Are you a follower of mahatma ghandi / non violence by any chance? You sound like a <banned word filter activated>

[Big_Tera]

21 hours ago, IshR said:

A true warrior is both mentally and physically strong.

You say-

”use intellect rather then their fists”

Guru gobind singh maharaj said when all other means fail it is righteous to use the sword. 

If an innocent woman or child is getting attacked on the street, you will use intellect how? A true sikh will destroy any aggressor there on the spot. 

You think a Sikh should hide away and call the police? 

No one is suggesting Sikhs should become ghetto thugs, but we should be able to face up to / defend ourselves or other innocents against such thugs using violence if necessary. 

Further more, true Sikhs accept death, they too have nothing to lose, this is a great quality, in fact guruji says before coming to him-

pehla maran kabool jeevan ji schad aas 

first accept death and give up all hope of life

Are you a follower of mahatma ghandi / non violence by any chance? You sound like a <banned word filter activated>

So you want to risk your life in a fight by acting and behaving aggressively. End up in hospital or even worse Lose your life over some petty squabble with some Yob that has no life and probably wants to take someone down with him.

Also your forgetting the.mentality of these people. They will comming looking for you with a gang to settle the score. If ypu give one of these a hiding. 

Obviously Sikhs should be ready to defend. But in todays uk lawless society when many are tooled up and ready to stab anyone that gets in thwir way. 

Obviously Sikhs need to stand up for themselves. Bullying only happens when we let it. 

Pumping weights is good. But should only be used in self defence. 

 

 

 

[IshR]

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[IshR]

57 minutes ago, Big_Tera said:

So you want to risk your life in a fight by acting and behaving aggressively. End up in hospital or even worse Lose your life over some petty squabble with some Yob that has no life and probably wants to take someone down with him.

Also your forgetting the.mentality of these people. They will comming looking for you with a gang to settle the score. If ypu give one of these a hiding. 

Obviously Sikhs should be ready to defend. But in todays uk lawless society when many are tooled up and ready to stab anyone that gets in thwir way. 

Obviously Sikhs need to stand up for themselves. Bullying only happens when we let it. 

Pumping weights is good. But should only be used in self defence. 

 

 

 

You have been proven wrong, now you are trying to put words in my mouth and twist what I’ve said.

You said -

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“So you want to risk your life in a fight by acting and behaving aggressively. End up in hospital or even worse Lose your life over some petty squabble with some Yob that has no life and probably wants to take someone down with him.”

I never said fight for the sake of acting and behaving aggressively. Nor did I say fight over petty squabbles. You are digging yourself into a hole.

This topic is about Sikhs not being able to stick up for themselves and Sikh youth being bullied. 

Like I’ve already said, use of violence is a last resort to defend oneself or another innocent, when all other means have failed.

This it seems you now agree with me and have changed your stance as you said- 

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 “Obviously  Sikhs need to stand up for themselves. Bullying only happens when we let it. 

Pumping weights is good. But should only be used in self defence. “

  

Im glad we can end this discussion in agreement!!