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Why were there 10 Gurus in 'human' form?

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Not that I'm comparing but it's the same in all the other religions too.  The avatars of vishnu are spread through many incarnations and yugs. Ramayan came a whole yug before the mahabharat came. 

Judaism or the torah was revealed through many prophets and generations. Adam, Noah, abraham, moses,  Joseph then the biblical kings  etc are spread through many generations, all these people spread through many centuries.  Christianity with jesus are a continuation of these prophets, the Quran and islam are continuation of the prophets and jesus. 

All these religions took much longer than sikhi did. 

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I don't understand how Islam flows from the previous faiths. Jesus abolished punishments like stoning to death, animal sacrifice, circumcision etc  then islam came and incorporated all these things back again and went back to square one. 

Imo  real christianity is the mystical gnostic teachings which the early church fathers got rid off because they didnt give them any power or give the church any power. 

Same with islam  sufism is pure form of islam   not this radical bs that you see these days.  

Aurangzeb executed many sufis. 

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42 minutes ago, puzzled said:

I don't understand how Islam flows from the previous faiths. Jesus abolished punishments like stoning to death, animal sacrifice, circumcision etc  then islam came and incorporated all these things back again and went back to square one. 

Imo  real christianity is the mystical gnostic teachings which the early church fathers got rid off because they didnt give them any power or give the church any power. 

Same with islam  sufism is pure form of islam   not this radical bs that you see these days.  

Aurangzeb executed many sufis. 

Do you think also that all the negative things we hear about the Prophet in Islam are maybe untrue?

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1 hour ago, Premi5 said:

Do you think also that all the negative things we hear about the Prophet in Islam are maybe untrue?

Most of these stories come from the hadiths which were written over a 100 yrs after he died. Muslims see hadiths as 2nd most important scriptures, so if we go by the hadiths then yh most the stories are true!    Like there is one hadith where the prophet pokes the eyes out of a murderer with his thumbs! He then orders his hands and feet to be cut off and leaves him to die in the desert!  Guru nanak dev ji on the other hand made murderers into good humans and sikhs  like kauda. 

The prophet also married his adopted sons wife because he found her attractive. He also had an egyption christian slave girl called Mary who he had a physical relationship with.  In the quran these women are referred to as "what your right hand possesses"  

But Shias and some sufis actually reject the hadiths. 

But then again islam is not the prophet,  its gods revelation to create a relationship with him. 

Gurbani tells us that none of these people were perfect anyway.  Bhrama wrote the veds and did a lot of meditation yet he slept with his own daughter and was very kaami. Theres even a story of how he grew another head so he could look at women from all directions. Bhrama conducted shivas wedding and ejaculated when he saw parvatis feet. 

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3 hours ago, Premi5 said:

Do you think also that all the negative things we hear about the Prophet in Islam are maybe untrue?

given that mahapurakhs have seen Mohammed ad Aisha and Guru Gobind Singh ji's verdict on him as failing only because he didn't give naam to the faithful with strength/urgency  it seems that perhaps , the quresh put words into his mouth , I mean they tried to kill his family members who had to flee to India to survive, removed first hand sources, ascribed many saying to him  which allowed them to resume the bloodshed amongst their kin and build empires . Guru ji also said that the faith had become the faith of shaitan .

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13 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

faith of shaitan

Where does it say that? Iv read it myself but cant remember now.  Guru ji also said that if a singh marries a musalmani then he is a fallen sikh.   I cant remember the source now ... 

In the old days mughals used to send attractive women from their courts to trap warriors and other men. They used women as spies.  

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9 hours ago, BarBarBabaJi said:

If you go to barbarbabaji dot com and click on more and then on mural, you will view a video of a living representation of all the referrals in the Guru Granth to the Guru, Name, Truth and Crossing over the terrifying world ocean.  

I'm sure there are some members of the Sikh religion that wonder about the Book being the Guru, when historically, a living, breathing individual held the Naam in trust.  I don't think, after watching the above video you can deny that a living, breathing individual is still holding the Naam in trust, because he is depicted as being both the Boatman and the Boat, and his Name Bar Bar means those very things in the language of the muralist Apitatan, namely BARquo boat and BARquero boatman, and Bar Bar is indeed ferrying the soul Simarana across the terrifying world ocean.  All made clear to the viewer via the grace of that very Name, the Naam, itself, as only the perfect Shabad Naam can.

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On 11/22/2019 at 8:46 PM, Akalifauj said:

This is not an answer.  The atheist could just ask.  God is great, so why couldn't he do it in one form or take no form and do it.  When you write answers like these they only show how you have not understood the question.

Agreed. It's pointless to say, "well 10 were needed because they were doing different stuff." 

I mean, it's OK for us, since we can see that our Gurus did do varying things. But that's not the question the atheist is asking him. The atheist is wondering why in the world there needed to be 10 in the first place.

The better answer is: Why not? I'm mean, if you don't believe in God, fine. But if God does exist, why does it matter if he deputed 1 Guru or 3 or 10?

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9 hours ago, BhForce said:

Agreed. It's pointless to say, "well 10 were needed because they were doing different stuff." 

I mean, it's OK for us, since we can see that our Gurus did do varying things. But that's not the question the atheist is asking him. The atheist is wondering why in the world there needed to be 10 in the first place.

The better answer is: Why not? I'm mean, if you don't believe in God, fine. But if God does exist, why does it matter if he deputed 1 Guru or 3 or 10?

I dont have the Ang but near the very end of Guru Granth Sahib Ji it talks about why the Guruship was passed from one to the next and the purpose each incarnation represented. 

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13 hours ago, BhForce said:

The atheist is wondering why in the world there needed to be 10 in the first place.

The better answer is: Why not? I'm mean, if you don't believe in God, fine. But if God does exist, why does it matter if he deputed 1 Guru or 3 or 10?

I am NOT an atheist!

I just asked a simple question, maybe could have phrased it differently 

 

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8 hours ago, Premi5 said:

I am NOT an atheist!

I just asked a simple question, maybe could have phrased it differently 

 

And you have not provided info to say there should have been more or less Gurus.  What you provided was atheist views.  So you were seen and continue to be seen as one because you refuse to recognize and accept Gurbani and Gurus for who they are.  No one is an atheist for asking questions,  it's the views you expressed here that make you one.

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On 12/5/2019 at 6:33 AM, BhForce said:

Agreed. It's pointless to say, "well 10 were needed because they were doing different stuff." 

I mean, it's OK for us, since we can see that our Gurus did do varying things. But that's not the question the atheist is asking him. The atheist is wondering why in the world there needed to be 10 in the first place.

The better answer is: Why not? I'm mean, if you don't believe in God, fine. But if God does exist, why does it matter if he deputed 1 Guru or 3 or 10?

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ। 

Look at world history. There has not been 10 such figures like our Gurus coming one by one, with the same message, living the message and fighting for the truth. I think Vaheguru ji made 10 (11 if you count Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj or 12 for Guru Khalsa Panth too) so that we don't we don't doubt Maharaj's authority. So that we know that this is a miracle in and of itself that 10 Great beings came all doing amazing things and wasn't just some random events.

the atheist may ask why couldn't Vaheguru ji just have made us know instantly from one Guru that they are messenger of the truth and teach only the truth. Well the answer here is that those who saw even one of our Gurus for seconds were transformed. By just hearing about Guru Tegh Bahadur Sahib ji's Shaheedi we're amazed and that's just 1 of the Gurus.

ਮੈਮੂਰਖਕੀਕੇਤਕਬਾਤਹੈਕੋਟਿਪਰਾਧੀਤਰਿਆਰੇ॥
I am just a fool, but millions of sinners just like me have been saved.
ਗੁਰੁਨਾਨਕੁਜਿਨਸੁਣਿਆਪੇਖਿਆਸੇਫਿਰਿਗਰਭਾਸਿਨਪਰਿਆਰੇ॥੪॥੨॥੧੩॥
Those who have heard, and seen Guru Nanak, do not descend into the womb of reincarnation again. ||4||2||13||

And Also this is a game if love and not math or code with 0s and 1s. Sikhi is journey and getting the love for it needs you to actually go out of your way and find out how great the Gurus are yourself. The fact that 10 came, one by one enables us to have the prem for all the virtues displayed by the Guru even though they are unending. 

just my mat on the matter, feel free to add more.

।ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ।

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The main reason for the 10 Gurus in human form, is because of such was the unquestionable Mauj of Waheguru.

So if, such was His hukum to happen so, who are we raise any question? 

Nobody has never ever and nobody can never ever slightly even imagine the wisdom and perfection in each and every angle of His hukum.

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On 12/6/2019 at 4:21 AM, Akalifauj said:

And you have not provided info to say there should have been more or less Gurus.  What you provided was atheist views.  So you were seen and continue to be seen as one because you refuse to recognize and accept Gurbani and Gurus for who they are.  No one is an atheist for asking questions,  it's the views you expressed here that make you one.

It was a simple question. I think you need to rethink your liberal use of ‘atheist’

where did I refuse to recognise and accept the Gurus and Gurbani - tell me? 

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