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Were the Gurus above normal human beings? Ie if they were they would not succumb to illness like normal humans do. 

It has been stated that certain Gurus performed miracles and cured diseases. 

But why could Guru Har Krishan not cure his own small pox from which passed away from? 

If Gurus could perform acts of miracles then why did they did not do this to themselves when they  were unwell. 

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They certainly weren't 'normal humans' and were never considered such. It's only after annexation and the subsequent creation of 'Sikhism' that people even asked that question. 

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Outwardly the Gurus were humans like any other one, and inwardly they were full of Divinity, with the purity and Jot of Waheguru Akal Purukh.

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17 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Were the Gurus above normal human beings? Ie if they were they would not succumb to illness like normal humans do. 

It has been stated that certain Gurus performed miracles and cured diseases. 

But why could Guru Har Krishan not cure his own small pox from which passed away from? 

If Gurus could perform acts of miracles then why did they did not do this to themselves when they  were unwell. 

They try to least go against the Law of Nature or Karma.

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Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji of Basics of Sikhi said that Britishers deliberately lowered the status of Guru in Sikhism by calling Guru just as a spiritual teacher whereas they called Jesus as son of God.

Guru is a spiritual teacher but He is also God on earth and has all the powers of God.

Guru can grant salvation to anyone in the blink of an eye.

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18 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

has been stated that certain Gurus performed miracles and cured diseases. 

But why could Guru Har Krishan not cure his own small pox from which passed away from? 

If Gurus could perform acts of miracles then why did they did not do this to themselves when they  were unwell. 

Guru has all the powers of God but at the same time Guru lives in 100% will of God.

It was the will of God that Guru Jyot shud transfer from 8th Patshah to 9th Patshah.

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19 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

If Gurus could perform acts of miracles then why did they did not do this to themselves when they  were unwell. 

The way it is explained in katha if you've listened to it is that 1) they could perform miracles, but that doesn't mean they did (in every circumstance). They may have performed certain miracles in order to make a certain point. 2) Some miracles just occurred by themselves, as nature respects its creator (Guru Sahib is God).

Mostly, Guru Sahib was trying to teach us how to act in very difficult circumstances (such as being thrown out of Anandpur Sahib into the forest).

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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

Bhai Jugraj Singh Ji of Basics of Sikhi said that Britishers deliberately lowered the status of Guru in Sikhism by calling Guru just as a spiritual teacher whereas they called Jesus as son of God.

That's quite possible. Most Christians cannot get it into their heads that we believe Guru to be God. They think our Gurus were just like some Christian preachers or something.

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19 hours ago, Big_Tera said:

Were the Gurus above normal human beings? Ie if they were they would not succumb to illness like normal humans do. 

Their biggest miracle was not succumbing to lust, anger, attachment, etc. They called themselves the lowliest, which makes them the highest. 

Nanak neech kahai veechar.

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4 hours ago, shastarSingh said:

In Sikhism, Guru means God on earth.

God gives all His powers to the Guru.

Guru can do anything and everything.

You got it wrong:

In 'Sikhism' (the thing that emerged during colonisation, the Gurus are mere bards or men. 

In Sikhi, they are walking divinity here to guide humanity.

Bhai Jagraj Singh talks about this:

 

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Let @Big_Tera actually present Gurbani to back up his claims.  Why is everyone hoping on this bait topic.  He is baiting you into this topic and he thinks he has thought provoking questions.  He doesn't even in the slightest way.  

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Were the Gurus above normal human beings? Ie if they were they would not succumb to illness like normal humans do. 

It has been stated that certain Gurus performed miracles and cured diseases. 

But why could Guru Har Krishan not cure his own small pox from which passed away from? 

If Gurus could perform acts of miracles then why did they did not do this to themselves when they  were unwell. 

Read Bhai Sahib Dr Vir Singhs Sri Guru Nanak Chamatkar , translated into English by M L Mongia .( I think its on this forum) may help your understanding. My view is that the Gurus were here on earth due to atrocities from rulers crossed all limits. People were lost , to restore love , compassion back into society the first Guru, Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj , preached this in such a way that all that met Guru nanak Dev Ji fell at his feet and changed for the better.( stores such as cattle grazing, cobra protecting Guru maharaj from the suns rays , seeing mecca all directions to explain that good is everywhere etc..) Bhai Sahib Dr Vir Singh writes, The Gurus love for the lord was much more than , one who loves their children, the husband loves the wife, greedy love money ...was way way much more that we cannot even contemplate it but they all lived under the almighties hukam. Their purpose was to wake up the sangat , distill back love, compassion, so all could live along together, change peoples mindset. The Gurus were 100% above normal human beings without a doubt.

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They were above humans. 

Guru Har Krishan could have made the disease go away completely but that would be "The job is done." The Gurus performed duties, not jobs. 

It was Akaal Purakh's Hukam to have disease spread. Guru Har Krishan took that disease upon Themselves. This way the command of the disease is still there, only the direction has changed, instead of disease being eradicated completely and change Akaal Purakh's Hukam. Ability to change God's command is an infringement to Hukam. 

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