Delhi riots: Mosque set on fire

[JSinghnz]

2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

perhaps the shoot to kill policy on akalis or gursikhs was also part of it

 You are missing the point that the Sikhs did not step back and then rise again to fight the British. Remember our history when our heads had a price put on them by the Moghuls. That didnot deter them to fight back and kick their opponents out.

[JSinghnz]

3 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

They went underground.They couldnt start a guerilla warfare. The british confisticated kirpaans from every sikh soldier. Those who refused became outlaws. And that where we get all the daku stories. 

So the british have taken all weapons, banned anyone from having them, and the gatka and training is soon lost to the sikhs. Unless they join the british and relearn it. 

Although the sikhs do not lose their baagi spirit. All the gurudware morche. The ghadar movement. 

Each movement is started by the young. As if the defeat and cynicism of their elders does not deter them. They say Guru Gobind Singh ji blessed the panth after Baba Ajeet Singh became shaheed that youngsters like you will always lead the panth and be first in battle

They could do lots going with their past history but why they did not is still a question which no one has any answers. 

[jkvlondon]

5 hours ago, JSinghnz said:

 You are missing the point that the Sikhs did not step back and then rise again to fight the British. Remember our history when our heads had a price put on them by the Moghuls. That didnot deter them to fight back and kick their opponents out.

if you look at the dates there is only maybe one  or two years before the rebellion is started ... that's why the draconian laws , the removal of akalis from Gurdwarey by killing, the stripping of assets from sikhs of the court, the imprisonment or murder of those loyal to Ranjit Singh  began the British knew that they couldn't afford to let regrouping occur.

[JSinghnz]

10 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

if you look at the dates there is only maybe one  or two years before the rebellion is started ... that's why the draconian laws , the removal of akalis from Gurdwarey by killing, the stripping of assets from sikhs of the court, the imprisonment or murder of those loyal to Ranjit Singh  began the British knew that they couldn't afford to let regrouping occur.

Revolts don't come with date lines( one or two years). What a joke of a reply. The facts are that the Sikhs just lost the will to regroup as they had earlier when they faced much worse odds against the Moghuls and the Afghan invaders.

[dallysingh101]

41 minutes ago, JSinghnz said:

 The facts are that the Sikhs just lost the will to regroup as they had earlier when they faced much worse odds against the Moghuls and the Afghan invaders.

That Sikh Revolution book goes into detail about why this happened. Everyone should read it. 

[JSinghnz]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

That Sikh Revolution book goes into detail about why this happened. Everyone should read it. 

Who is the author of the book?

[dallysingh101]

15 hours ago, JSinghnz said:

Who is the author of the book?

Jagjit Singh. From what I can gather he was a Chemistry teacher at university level back home. I think he also had connections to the Gaddari babay. He wrote until he was well old (in his 90s). 

Interestingly, he is the main guy who refuted a lot of the assertions by the infamous orientalist W. H. McLeod who wrote about Sikhs with a very western, racialised mindset (from where you are apparently?) 

I think his (Jagjit Singh's) work is definitely essential reading for people with more than some shallow interest in Sikhi (as opposed to Sikhism), and SIkh history myself. He's considered a heavyweight by many well read Sikhs.

Book is here, you can see table of contents too. If you can't read all of it, start with the sections on the bhagats (Page 70) onwards:

 

 

    

[JSinghnz]

21 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Jagjit Singh. From what I can gather he was a Chemistry teacher at university level back home. I think he also had connections to the Gaddari babay. He wrote until he was well old (in his 90s). 

Interestingly, he is the main guy who refuted a lot of the assertions by the infamous orientalist W. H. McLeod who wrote about Sikhs with a very western, racialised mindset (from where you are apparently?) 

I think his (Jagjit Singh's) work is definitely essential reading for people with more than some shallow interest in Sikhi (as opposed to Sikhism), and SIkh history myself. He's considered a heavyweight by many well read Sikhs.

Book is here, you can see table of contents too. If you can't read all of it, start with the sections on the bhagats (Page 70) onwards:

 

 

    

Thanks I will check it out. 

I tried but it comes up as an error.

Have you got another link?

[dallysingh101]

9 hours ago, JSinghnz said:

Thanks I will check it out. 

I tried but it comes up as an error.

Have you got another link?

Give me a day or two, I'll see if I can find another copy. I might have downloaded it. 

[JSinghnz]

On 3/10/2020 at 9:58 AM, dallysingh101 said:

Give me a day or two, I'll see if I can find another copy. I might have downloaded it. 

Have you found it?