Delhi riots: Mosque set on fire

[Not2Cool2Argue]

On 3/1/2020 at 4:20 PM, jkvlondon said:

sikhs of old used to go get their own justice ...how would that work so long after the events , best scenario is to provide homes , schools, training to widows and survivors of delhi84 and shaheedi parivaars , sponsor the educations so those kids are given tools to fight for themselves .

Actually if u look at sikh history. We have a pattern of going underground/stepping back and then coming back steonger to fight after we took a beating. 

Like after the vadda ghalughara,  for abt 30 ish years sikhs stayed quiet. And strong moms raised soorme like jassa singh ahluwalia etc. The panth licked its wounds, raised the young etc Then during shota ghalughara they rose and again and fought.

Similarly after 1984, after attack on akal takhat, sikhs had josh and were strong and fought. But after they went thru huge losses during kharkoo movement. Ppl distanced themselves from the movement, moved away to valait etc and concentrated on establishing themselves and raising their kids as strong sikhs. 

Thankfully sikhs are too weary or too wise to start battles again. Maybe we still havent recovered yet from the losses. From the betrayals, from seeing idealism fail, from having a young generstion of sikhs beckme shaheed. Or maybe in the 21st century, battles arent fought with weapons but intellecut and international support. 

[puzzled]

17 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Most of these high profile foreign correspondents working for major corporations are intelligence services assets. 

Still, I don't understand why a community such as ours requires this type of treatment. Doesn't make sense. 

he was definitely sent on a mission and passed information onto the indian government    he spent some time with sant ji and other singhs.     

[MisterrSingh]

14 minutes ago, puzzled said:

he was definitely sent on a mission and passed information onto the indian government    he spent some time with sant ji and other singhs.     

It's the whole hiding in plain sight thing. Obviously, the proper covert operators are faceless, but these media and journalistic personalities are recruited when they're still at university.

[JSinghnz]

14 hours ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Actually if u look at sikh history. We have a pattern of going underground/stepping back and then coming back steonger to fight after we took a beating. 

Like after the vadda ghalughara,  for abt 30 ish years sikhs stayed quiet. And strong moms raised soorme like jassa singh ahluwalia etc. The panth licked its wounds, raised the young etc Then during shota ghalughara they rose and again and fought.

Similarly after 1984, after attack on akal takhat, sikhs had josh and were strong and fought. But after they went thru huge losses during kharkoo movement. Ppl distanced themselves from the movement, moved away to valait etc and concentrated on establishing themselves and raising their kids as strong sikhs. 

Thankfully sikhs are too weary or too wise to start battles again. Maybe we still havent recovered yet from the losses. From the betrayals, from seeing idealism fail, from having a young generstion of sikhs beckme shaheed. Or maybe in the 21st century, battles arent fought with weapons but intellecut and international support. 

Not entirely true. After getting defeated by the British in the Anglo-Sikh wars, nothing of that sort happened.

Instead of stepping back, lot of Sikhs stepped forward to become cannon fodder and slave soldiers for the same enemy which had taken their empire a few years back. Why the Sikhs did that is a kind of shame on our glorious history of bravery and sacrifices, wherein we never gave up fighting the oppressors until we became the rulers, as in the kicking out the Moghuls and establishing the Khalsa Raj.

[jkvlondon]

14 hours ago, JSinghnz said:

Not entirely true. After getting defeated by the British in the Anglo-Sikh wars, nothing of that sort happened.

Instead of stepping back, lot of Sikhs stepped forward to become cannon fodder and slave soldiers for the same enemy which had taken their empire a few years back. Why the Sikhs did that is a kind of shame on our glorious history of bravery and sacrifices, wherein we never gave up fighting the oppressors until we became the rulers, as in the kicking out the Moghuls and establishing the Khalsa Raj.

it's more complex than that , the British only hired from certain districts which were either loyal or non-rebellious , and avoided recruiting from known anti-British strongholds  There were plenty who didn't fight for the Goray  but tried to keep the panth's future strong by learning and teaching  gurbani , arths etc  because they had seen what the British had done to undermine the populaces literacy and religious freedoms.

[puzzled]

27 minutes ago, jkvlondon said:

it's more complex than that , the British only hired from certain districts which were either loyal or non-rebellious , and avoided recruiting from known anti-British strongholds  There were plenty who didn't fight for the Goray  but tried to keep the panth's future strong by learning and teaching  gurbani , arths etc  because they had seen what the British had done to undermine the populaces literacy and religious freedoms.

Most the recruits were from malwa   malwa was always loyal towards the british   the maharajas of patiala and nabha etc   were British loyals.  It was these states that sided with the british during the anglo sikh wars and provides them with army's .   Its mostly the same amries/soldiers that fought for the british later on.

Shaheed bhagat singhs ancestral pind khatarkalan is a 5 min drive from my nanke pind    I visit it every time I go punjab 

[JSinghnz]

11 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

it's more complex than that , the British only hired from certain districts which were either loyal or non-rebellious , and avoided recruiting from known anti-British strongholds  There were plenty who didn't fight for the Goray  but tried to keep the panth's future strong by learning and teaching  gurbani , arths etc  because they had seen what the British had done to undermine the populaces literacy and religious freedoms.

That just reiterates my statement that Sikhs didnot start a war ( guerilla or direct) against the goras after their defeat. Why that happened is a mystery.

[JSinghnz]

11 hours ago, puzzled said:

Most the recruits were from malwa   malwa was always loyal towards the british   the maharajas of patiala and nabha etc   were British loyals.  It was these states that sided with the british during the anglo sikh wars and provides them with army's .   Its mostly the same amries/soldiers that fought for the british later on.

Shaheed bhagat singhs ancestral pind khatarkalan is a 5 min drive from my nanke pind    I visit it every time I go punjab 

Had Maharaja Ranjit Singh took over these two traitorous states, history would have been different. Maharaja  Patiala had betrayed the Sikhs earlier too by joining hands with Ahmad Shah Abdali.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

28 minutes ago, JSinghnz said:

That just reiterates my statement that Sikhs didnot start a war ( guerilla or direct) against the goras after their defeat. Why that happened is a mystery.

They went underground.They couldnt start a guerilla warfare. The british confisticated kirpaans from every sikh soldier. Those who refused became outlaws. And that where we get all the daku stories. 

So the british have taken all weapons, banned anyone from having them, and the gatka and training is soon lost to the sikhs. Unless they join the british and relearn it. 

Although the sikhs do not lose their baagi spirit. All the gurudware morche. The ghadar movement. 

Each movement is started by the young. As if the defeat and cynicism of their elders does not deter them. They say Guru Gobind Singh ji blessed the panth after Baba Ajeet Singh became shaheed that youngsters like you will always lead the panth and be first in battle

[jkvlondon]

1 hour ago, JSinghnz said:

That just reiterates my statement that Sikhs didnot start a war ( guerilla or direct) against the goras after their defeat. Why that happened is a mystery.

perhaps the shoot to kill policy on akalis or gursikhs was also part of it