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1 hour ago, puzzled said:

I think he was a real man, a saint? And possibly was crucified because that was actually a very common punishment under the Roman's.

But everything else seems to be added later on   they made him into something that he was not. The whole virgin birth, him being god in human form, the wise men following the star   everything.

Christianity was created by the powerful church fathers and they made jesus into a God, and crafted his image, the virgin birth etc  this god jesus   has nothing to do with the real man that possible once lived and preached.  The god jesus was sketched by the powerful priests. I guess the creation of this religion  by them was for political gain.  

And later the Roman's made christianity into the state religion, which gave Christianity the kind of power and influence that no religion has ever seen. 

This is when mary the mother of jesus was made into a goddess, she just replaced the goddesses that the romans/pagans used to worship. Same idols, rituals  but a new name mary. 

Imo christianity is the biggest and most successful business venture ever! 

Just look at the vatican to this day! 

The reason I would question the existence of Jesus is because there seems to be no Roman records that he existed. 

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16 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The reason I would question the existence of Jesus is because there seems to be no Roman records that he existed. 

Yh that's another thing lol    it is fishy isnt lol     same with all the other events in the old testament.  Like apparently when moses left egypt with the hebrews, there were half a million hebrews! According to the bible they roamed judean desert for 40 years   yet not a single record exists of half a million people migrating out of egypt and then roaming around for 40 years. There also is no archeological evidence for this, no traces of mass human migration, no humans remains, pottery, material nothing! Absolutely nothing. There also no evidence in egypt of the Egyptians actually taking in half a million slaves. 

People have discovered so much about the ancient Egyptians though archeology and what not, yet not a single piece if evidence exists about half a million people being taken in by the pharaohs and living there for 100s of years and then mass migration taking place out of Egypt. Nothing 

Same with all the other biblical stuff. 

I dnt even think there are records of the Muslim prophet, but then again apparently the pagans like the indians weren't great record keepers. 

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1 hour ago, shastarSingh said:

So there is day night difference between "mother" Teresa and Bhagat Puran Singh ji.

how unfair this world is!

dear veer, how was zoroaster?

was he the first man to talk about 1 God.?

No way was she anything like bhagat puran Singh ji. Bhagat puran singh ji was/is the epitome of selflessness and sewa.    She was just a well constructed fake image.

Bro I dont know too much about zoroaster, but yes he believed in one god, whether if he said his before judaism I'm not sure,  i dont know the chronology of it.  But there was this parsi girl that i worked with and she said that zoroastrianism was the first to say that there is 1 god.   What I do know is that the idea of heaven and earth and divine judgment existed in zoroastrianism way before it christianity or islam even existed. I'm not sure which came first judaism or zoroastrianism but jewish scriptures really dont talk about a after life.   zoroastrianism had strong influence on christianities heaven and hell, which later islam had as well. 

But this idea of divine judgment is very old. Even the ancient egyption believed in it. Egyptians have the book of the dead where there is a depiction of a mortal being judged with his heart on a scale, with a deity of death standing before him.   

Like I said I dnt know the chronology of which came with these concepts first egyptions, zoroastrians, pagans, but these definitely had a influence on the 3 abrahamic faiths.    Though the jewish scriptures hardly mention life after death, heaven/hell    even jews started believing in this once the Christians came. 

But then where do the vedas fit in all this? Coz vedas too mention yamraj/dharamraj as the divine judge and deity of death.

Zoroastrianism seems to share some similarities with the vedic religion. They use fire as a focal point, believe in deities as well as 1 god, their temples are shaped like hindu mandirs and one of there symbols is a peacock even though peacocks never existed in Persia!  I did question the parsi girl I worked with about this stuff and whether if hindu dharam came up with the idea of 1 supreme god/parmaathma  and all the rest first, but she didnt like that very much and said it was the other way round and that zoroastrianism had influence on the vedic religion lol. 

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Egyption depiction of the afterlife with a deity of death with a scale measuring the weight of a mortal heart/good deeds

 

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3 hours ago, puzzled said:

No way was she anything like bhagat puran Singh ji. Bhagat puran singh ji was/is the epitome of selflessness and sewa.    She was just a well constructed fake image.

Bro I dont know too much about zoroaster, but yes he believed in one god, whether if he said his before judaism I'm not sure,  i dont know the chronology of it.  But there was this parsi girl that i worked with and she said that zoroastrianism was the first to say that there is 1 god.   What I do know is that the idea of heaven and earth and divine judgment existed in zoroastrianism way before it christianity or islam even existed. I'm not sure which came first judaism or zoroastrianism but jewish scriptures really dont talk about a after life.   zoroastrianism had strong influence on christianities heaven and hell, which later islam had as well. 

But this idea of divine judgment is very old. Even the ancient egyption believed in it. Egyptians have the book of the dead where there is a depiction of a mortal being judged with his heart on a scale, with a deity of death standing before him.   

Like I said I dnt know the chronology of which came with these concepts first egyptions, zoroastrians, pagans, but these definitely had a influence on the 3 abrahamic faiths.    Though the jewish scriptures hardly mention life after death, heaven/hell    even jews started believing in this once the Christians came. 

But then where do the vedas fit in all this? Coz vedas too mention yamraj/dharamraj as the divine judge and deity of death.

Zoroastrianism seems to share some similarities with the vedic religion. They use fire as a focal point, believe in deities as well as 1 god, their temples are shaped like hindu mandirs and one of there symbols is a peacock even though peacocks never existed in Persia!  I did question the parsi girl I worked with about this stuff and whether if hindu dharam came up with the idea of 1 supreme god/parmaathma  and all the rest first, but she didnt like that very much and said it was the other way round and that zoroastrianism had influence on the vedic religion lol. 

The Jews picked up a lot of their ideology from the Zoroastrians.

The Babylonians invaded Israel/Judea and the Jews were exiled. 

The Persians took over Babylon and released the Jews.  It was at this time the Abrahamics picked up concepts such as god/devil, heaven/hell etc.

 

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5 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Persians took over Babylon and released the Jews.

No good deed goes unpunished. 😅

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4 hours ago, puzzled said:

Yh that's another thing lol    it is fishy isnt lol     same with all the other events in the old testament.  Like apparently when moses left egypt with the hebrews, there were half a million hebrews! According to the bible they roamed judean desert for 40 years   yet not a single record exists of half a million people migrating out of egypt and then roaming around for 40 years. There also is no archeological evidence for this, no traces of mass human migration, no humans remains, pottery, material nothing! Absolutely nothing. There also no evidence in egypt of the Egyptians actually taking in half a million slaves. 

People have discovered so much about the ancient Egyptians though archeology and what not, yet not a single piece if evidence exists about half a million people being taken in by the pharaohs and living there for 100s of years and then mass migration taking place out of Egypt. Nothing 

Same with all the other biblical stuff. 

I dnt even think there are records of the Muslim prophet, but then again apparently the pagans like the indians weren't great record keepers. 

The Abrahamics are great plagiarists and took a lot of concepts of other civilisations as their own.

For example, Noah and the floods. The tale of floods come from many ancient civilisations. It is known that there was an ancient civilisation which was lost around the time of the last ice age. There were massive floods.

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3 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

No good deed goes unpunished. 😅

The ancient Persians had the first declaration of Human Rights.

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6 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The ancient Persians had the first declaration of Human Rights.

Damn liberals. 😂

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11 minutes ago, Ranjeet01 said:

The Abrahamics are great plagiarists and took a lot of concepts of other civilisations as their own.

For example, Noah and the floods. The tale of floods come from many ancient civilisations. It is known that there was an ancient civilisation which was lost around the time of the last ice age. There were massive floods.

Even in hinduism there is a great flood where manu was saved by one of vishnus fish avtars I think.

Muhameds miracle of splitting the moon in half also went unnoticed by half he world lol  absolutely no record even though half the world would of witnessed it, not even cultures that studied astronomy like Indians, Greeks etc witnessed it   lol! 

But Adam is mentioned in Gurbani as Baba Adam. Theres even a town in jalandhar doaba called Adampur 

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