Why we are failing

[dallysingh101]

17 hours ago, Premi5 said:

How likely is it do you think ?

I wouldn't rule it out.

Bhai Jagraj Singh went in. Challenged the colonialist narrative in most juts mind (remember the BBC Debate?); put focus on the devious secretive actions of the british government in relation to 1984; challenged the mainstream 'religious' community on their apathy to the grooming issue; encouraged people to be ready for conflict (remember how he advised people to get bandook training if they could).  He challenged caste and recognised the colonial manipulation of this amongst Sikhs. Encouraged SIkhs to solve their own issues instead of running to others. He was uniting everyone, from pappus to street guys, monay to Amritdharis. 'Spiritualists' to political types. 

And he did this with a clean background. He was the angreezis worst nightmare in terms of loosening their grip on the Sikh psyche. And he did it with so much elan and conviction. 

 

 

[MisterrSingh]

2 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Nah, that 'quotes' been around for many decades.  

I never said it wasn't. It just managed to make its way onto the web as a distributable "meme" in relatively recent times. I vaguely recall someone last Christmas or so making an Instagram post that debunked it as having no basis in Gurbani.

 

[dallysingh101]

2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

I never said it wasn't. It just managed to make its way onto the web as a distributable "meme" in relatively recent times. I vaguely recall someone last Christmas or so making an Instagram post that debunked it as having no basis in Gurbani.

 

It was what hoes used to say when challenged on their promiscuity decades ago. lol

[MisterrSingh]

2 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

It was what hoes used to say when challenged on their promiscuity decades ago. lol

Agree. It's mostly - but not always limited to - something posted by Sikh girls / young women who've had some "fun" in their teens and early 20s with Muslims, Hindus, and others. It eventually dawns upon them that they were used and discarded (either willingly or otherwise). This usually coincides with the period around which they're expected to marry someone from their own religious background, and they begin to realise that their hedonism has left them unable to form a bond with a potential husband.

In order to placate that conscience of theirs that's beginning to trouble them, they seek to find some religious justification for why contrition for their mistakes is unimportant but other people accepting and not judging their mistakes is what a truly spiritual person would do.  So they post these cryptic (or so they believe) quotes they attribute to Gurbani as a means of broadcasting to the world how wonderfully enlightened and egalitarian they are, in the hope they get thousands of likes, and thus justifying their earlier behaviour.

[dallysingh101]

2 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Agree. It's mostly - but not always limited to - something posted by Sikh girls / young women who've had some "fun" in their teens and early 20s with Muslims, Hindus, and others. It eventually dawns upon them that they were used and discarded (either willingly or otherwise). This usually coincides with the period around which they're expected to marry someone from their own religious background, and they begin to realise that their hedonism has left them unable to form a bond with a potential husband.

In order to placate that conscience of theirs that's beginning to trouble them, they seek to find some religious justification for why contrition for their mistakes is unimportant but other people accepting and not judging their mistakes is what a truly spiritual person would do.  So they post these cryptic (or so they believe) quotes they attribute to Gurbani as a means of broadcasting to the world how wonderfully enlightened and egalitarian they are, in the hope they get thousands of likes, and thus justifying their earlier behaviour.

I think it's simpler than that, I think (in terms of antecedents) it stems from a lazy paraphrasing of Baba Nanak's words about truthful living, as well as advice he gave to various sects/groups to shake off their dogmatic religious practices. 

This stuff ended up being lazily summarised and paraphrased to justify elicit relationships, along with: 'We're all equal in God's eyes, it doesn't matter who I date.'

That all being said, looking back, the knowledge some young people have of our bani, heritage , language and ithihaas these days is unprecedented. In the past, when people would come out with the statement we are talking about, most people didn't know that these words didn't exist, and didn't have the linguistic skills or resources to challenge it or look it up. 

[MisterrSingh]

34 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I think it's simpler than that, I think (in terms of antecedents) it stems from a lazy paraphrasing of Baba Nanak's words about truthful living, as well as advice he gave to various sects/groups to shake off their dogmatic religious practices. 

This stuff ended up being lazily summarised and paraphrased to justify elicit relationships, along with: 'We're all equal in God's eyes, it doesn't matter who I date.'

That all being said, looking back, the knowledge some young people have of our bani, heritage , language and ithihaas these days is unprecedented. In the past, when people would come out with the statement we are talking about, most people didn't know that these words didn't exist, and didn't have the linguistic skills or resources to challenge it or look it up. 

They post these images and sentences not because they fundamentally object to certain Sikh cultural practices in a wider Sarbat Ka Bhalla sense that would suggest their thought processes breach the walls of their own particular life experiences.

Anyone who isn't completely gullible or asleep can always read between the lines, and when deciphering the underlying reason these types of people post these particular sentiments, it's always for very simple, selfish and self-involved reasons that, ironically, the person posting them believes themselves to have crafted a delightfully cryptic little statement that's a mystery to anyone but themselves. 

The reason? It's in service of their own sordid history and their personal failings. And it's almost always Sikh females.

[dallysingh101]

12 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

They post these images and sentences not because they fundamentally object to certain Sikh cultural practices in a wider Sarbat Ka Bhalla sense that would suggest their thought processes breach the walls of their own particular life experiences.

Anyone who isn't completely gullible or asleep can always read between the lines, and when deciphering the underlying reason these types of people post these particular sentiments, it's always for very simple, selfish and self-involved reasons that, ironically, the person posting them believes themselves to have crafted a delightfully cryptic little statement that's a mystery to anyone but themselves. 

The reason? It's in service of their own sordid history and their personal failings. And it's almost always Sikh females.

You'd know more about that than me these days perhaps. I don't know how certain things have translated into the social media scene?  It used to be females who used these 'arguments' before, but nowadays, I'm sure guys do too.  

It is interesting to see that old one still being used though. It says a lot that we haven't crushed it out, but I guess certain thinking is pervasive and deeply embedded?  

You know in another way I'm not really surprised in another sense too. The type of thinking we are talking about is only the logical conclusion to 'Sikhism' and it's message.  I think that compulsion to placate and align ourselves to the brits, and show just how similar our values are to theirs, how fair and impartial we are, led to this trajectory. If you know what I'm saying. It's obvious that there was a much stronger sense of community in past, not least of all in how our ancestors weathered genocides and stuff.   

[PuzzledToo]

On 4/12/2020 at 7:43 AM, genie said:

The late Bhai Jagraj Singh of basics of Sikhi had identified the problems and was helping change the thinking of younger Sikhs into becoming more Sikh centric. Some conspiracy theorists say he was poisoned and killed off by non-sikh powers that didnt like his pro-sikhi parchar and how he was creating a revolution in thinking amoung Sikhs. If we look at basics of sikhi right now its become a lefty liberal nonsense of a organisation with uninspiring shows afraid to tackle real issues and call out parasites attacking the kaum be they muslim groomers trying to groom sikh girls, islamic extremists attacking sikhs or other aggressors .

I believe this. 

[PuzzledToo]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

Agree. It's mostly - but not always limited to - something posted by Sikh girls / young women who've had some "fun" in their teens and early 20s with Muslims, Hindus, and others. It eventually dawns upon them that they were used and discarded (either willingly or otherwise). This usually coincides with the period around which they're expected to marry someone from their own religious background, and they begin to realise that their hedonism has left them unable to form a bond with a potential husband.

In order to placate that conscience of theirs that's beginning to trouble them, they seek to find some religious justification for why contrition for their mistakes is unimportant but other people accepting and not judging their mistakes is what a truly spiritual person would do.  So they post these cryptic (or so they believe) quotes they attribute to Gurbani as a means of broadcasting to the world how wonderfully enlightened and egalitarian they are, in the hope they get thousands of likes, and thus justifying their earlier behaviour.

[dallysingh101]

14 minutes ago, PuzzledToo said:

Thanks for making me laugh bro! lmao!!