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It's quite simple really, Take the qualities you can from everyone, no point arguing over things online. If anyone has issues then please visit the relevant Akharas and take it up with them. The Sikhi that was present within sikhs 60 years ago in the times of great gursikhs is not the current day Sikhi, now is a time of worldy education, questioning and challenging. Sant Giani gurbachan Singh ji was blessed the title of vidiya maartand, they learnt everything. It's pointless arguing over things, for you to obtain knowledge you must learn from a ustaad, if at that time the mahapurkhs learnt from nirmalas and other ustaads then what's the issue? Just because we may personal issues of mental understanding and don't want depth just superficial knowledge, then don't argue with those who wish to travel deeper

For some strange reason, when I first saw the title of this thread I began to think of 'protection after marriage' in terms of a hockey stick or a baseball bat next to the bed.

When would be khalsa raj,, and when would sant harnam singh return bhucho wale

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh This Singh has been doing a lot of hard work and has sacrificed a lot of time, effort and money to make these videos. It's not easy to make these videos at all, we watch it and just play it off without understanding how much work goes into them. These videos have done a lot of good in the short collective 40,000 views that BasicsOfSikhi channel has got in all the videos. If you look at their facebook page a lot of people who either wanted to know more about Sikhi or found Sikhi by his videos show their love and appreciation. We all are young and know the various hurdles we take for even doing basic things such as keeping our kesh and then taking Khade Bate Da Amrit. Often Sikhs, especially new Sikhs, face psychological pressures from family, relatives and backwards Punjabi community. If we see someone like the Singh who makes the BasicsOfSikhi videos it's easy to dissociate ourselves from the struggles he has gone through in making the actual videos and not pay a seconds thought to it. I don't doubt he probably went through pressures from family, relatives and friends telling him not to do it because I know if I were to do the same thing that he is doing, I would face similar hurdles and problems. He has taken the step that many of us secretly wanted to do and he is doing it really well, from now on out his videos will only IMPROVE with the support and love from the Guru's Sangat. The videos are already amazing, but with support they will inevitably become better and better. Often we say we need more Sikhs or more Sikhs dedicating time to Sikhi, well there are many who do and the Singh has done a fair share of sewa and continues to do so, we just don't recognize it. The very basic we can do is share his videos on twitter, facebook or simply show our families and friends in person or via email. It's easy to criticize and find fault, but it's hard to accept and help. Even if you know what the Singh is talking about, it's the job of the GurSikh sangat to promote these basics that talk about Sikhi so people who may not know as much as others will have an opportunity to see this great parchar done in English. Benti, please show your appreciation and support for such Sikhi parchar by supporting these videos by subscribing to the channel and like, favorite and share the videos in whatever means possible. BasicsOfSikhi YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.c...r/basicsofsikhi BasicsOfSikhi Facebook profile and group page: https://www.facebook.../basicsof.sikhi https://www.facebook.../basicsofsikhi/ A few of Bhai Sahib's videos about Sikhi:

vjkkvjkf! thought i'd give the sangat dibs on the shastar i have for sale or swap! i'm open to offers im looking at for £250 for the firangi , its a massive beast. just over 45inches the islamic tulvaar with gold script on the blade of shamshire style with no myan +copper handle is £70 the fullered south indian tulvaar with original myan is £130 if you would like to give me any offers email me on singh_the_end@hotmail.co.uk i could do the whole lot for £350 , saving you £100 , If want to offer me something for all 3 pieces thats fine too the jamdhar/sosun pattah is SOLD. akaal.

I had read somewhere that on July 20, 2012 an early day motion was to be introduced in British Parliament regarding Sikhs in India. I think it was to be in response to “Kesari Lehar” Petition. Has anybody got more information regarding that? .

@N30S1NGH, thanks bhaisahib, glad you liked that one, that one defo needs more views. Have you seen this one? ts not from Gurbani per se, but more of a personal observation...its made when I frist started out making videos so ignore the cheesy effects and graphics..gurkirpa I'm learning on the job

Why don't you do something to alleviate the suffering of the world like Bhagat Puran Singh Ji - dedicate your life to seva. If you decide to end your life, you will only wander about like a ghost or something until your allocated life span is over, then you will be called to account.

The answer sometimes does lie in between but at other times some just prefer not to argue a point across, sikh sangat does not rep the whole panth not does it have scholars on the board from these organisations to present an argument across

Thanks veer

chatanga veer, I agree with your above statement Khalsa Ji. Please keep in that Panch Khalsa Divan (Bhasaur) was not the entire Panch Khalsa Divan, Baba Attar Singh was also part of Panch Khalsa Divan so very many other good GurSikhs. It was the Bhasaur branch that took those anti-Panthic actions. I agree that the entire Udaasee samperdya was not corrupt, just those who were controlling the Gurdwaras (mahants) and some of the key leaders. If you read about the Nanakana Sahib Saka, you will find before the attack on the Singhs, there was a "Sanatan Sikhi" conference held by Mahant Narainoo which was highly attended by the Nirmalas, Udasees, and many Nihang factions, and this was all coordinated with the British authorities. I think most modern Udaasees and Nirmalas understand what happened during that time was wrong - so I agree it is unfair to paint them all with the same brush. That was no my intention.

khalistan_zindabaad ji, Please let me know which references you are interested in and I shall do my best to provide or cite them. The intention of my post was not undermine any samperdya or group but just pointing out to my veer N30S1NGH Ji that it was not just the Panch Khalsa Divan (Bhasaur) that ended up heading the wrong way but the Nirmalas and Udaasees have done far worse things. I have nothing against Nirmalas and Udaasees, as individuals they have contributed immensely to the Panth - but as an organization not so much - as they do have different values and beliefs than the rest of the Panth. Swami Brahmdev Udasi (Gopal Singh) is a great example of this. He has vast knowledge of Gurbani, especially Sri Dasam Granth, and even though he still carries some sanatan philosophies, but we should look beyond that and appreciate his positive contributions.

Darn it - my theory does not stand up! Just read the original post more carefully: 'For Sale or Swap.'

I too wondered about this. Then it suddenly clicked - the answer is straight forward. The Singh is an avid collector and probably has built up quite a collection over time. That's good. However the Singh must be married and the Mrs wants more room in the house (happened with me about 6 m ago when I was given the ultimatum of clearing the study and got rid off 7yrs worth professional journals which in reality I would never have got round to binding and reading). It must be difficult for the Singh to part with the collection, but at least he is hoping they go to good homes by selling them to other Singhs.

Another thing people need to wrap around their head is that just because Nihang Singh Jathebandi and even Damdami Taksal was started by Guru Gobind SIngh Ji - it doesn't make it immune from corruption and adopting non-Sikh non-Khalsa traits In the 1920s Nihang Singhs defended udasees who installed murtian and dancing ladies in our Darbar Sahibs and during the Sikh Raaj a few Nihang Singhs killed innocent people - something uncharacteristic of the Khalsa. Manmat and anti-Sikh forces (suppressors and those who dilute the truth) were also there during the Sikh Raj. I'd actually say they were there since Guru Nanak Dev Ji refused to wear the janeau. These people with the idea suppressing Gurbani - sachai are doing in different forms that make it hard for a person without the proper lenses to see. Today we have Dhumma who regularly meets with udhasees and other sanatan-mat people and supports them and matha teks to worldly leaders like Badal. All of our institutions have been corrupted - some by maya and some by sanatan-mat individuals who have drifted from the way of the Khalsa.

What a pretty picture is being painted of groups that went and go against Gurbani and rehat. The people that started imposing their views on Sikhs are the udhasis when they distort Gurbani and go against rehat without any care. What bigger crime can any group commit than purposely distorting Gurbani when Satguru speaks about Sri Chand? Who brought in the idols into Sri Harmandir Sahib? It was the udhasis. Who is saying there is nothing special about Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj as every religious book should be studied and gain knowledge from it, Gurbani shoud not be given any special treatment? Its the udhasis. There are many enemies of the Khalsa Panth and there one goal is to dilude Sikhi. Teja Singh Bhausaria is long gone and his thinking went with him. New aged thinkers like Sarbjit Singh Dhunda are here and they have similar ideas to Teja Singh, but don't hold his thinking. Singhs don't support Dhunda, so he is not a real issue. Teja Singh Bhausaria is not an issue, simply because he does not exist. Ask yourself then who is the issue from the inside? Today people that want to dilude Sikhi, they are distorting the institutions started by the Gurus themselves. One and most important is DamDami Taksal because of its teachings are concrete and they are set up to teaching Sikhi to Sikhs. Sikhs don't listen to udhasis because they are corrupt. However, how do you bring merit back to the Udhasis? Tell people that Taksal Jathedars respected them, took lessons from them like learning sanskrit, and hide the parts where the Taksal Jathedars call Udhasis Gurbani distortors among other things. Sant Baba Sundar Singh ji Maharaj was taught Gurbani by his own father early on, but those that want to bring Sikhi down will not tell you this part and just highlight that Sant ji was taught sanskrit by Udhasis. Udhasis are being promoted because they follow the order of the Hindus over Sikh teachings. Yet they are very good at hiding their true feelings. Another group that is being sucked into the Hindu order are the young "Nihang" Singhs of the west. They rely more on anger and so called historical records, than their Gurus Bani to understand what is accept. Won't label all ofthem with the same brush, but many of these youth are lost and the fake Nihang groups give them a sense of belonging and acceptance. The Nihang Singhs learned Gursikhi from Taksal Singhs in the past and today many of these fake Nihang jathas have created much hate between the two jathas to divide and conquer.

N30S1NGH Ji, you stated that issues like mool-mantar, ragmala, etc started just 100 years - as if everyone before thought alike. This is a fairy tale my brother. Can you provide any proof of the above statements? There is plenty of proof to the contrary - in fact many 19th century Udasees and Nirmalas considered moolmantar up to "Gurparsad" and also did not recite Ragmala. As for moolmantar, please see "Fareedkoti Tikka" which espouses the philosophy of Nirmala/Udaasee enfluenced samperdais and deras. The Fareedkoti Tikka clearly states that moolmantar is up to "Gurparsad", and there literally dozens and dozens original signatures by our Guru Sahibans with this version of the moolmantar. Are we going to blame our Gurus for shortening moolmantar now? For Ragmala, please study the views of Giani Chanda Singh (Bhai Mani Singh Taksal), Sadhu Govind Singh (Nirmala-Udasee Scholar), Mahan Kavi Santokh Singh (Nirmala Scholar), Giani Gian Singh (Nirmala Scholar), and Udasi Harnam Das (Akali Nihang Nurang Singh), Sant Baba Attar Singh Ji and Sant Teja Singh Ji of Mastuana as they all considered Ragmala extraneous and completed bhog on Mundavani. Regardless of their views, they still had mutual respect and never tainted each other as we do nowadays because we don't agree on the same "maryada". I have no intentions to debate these topics, but seriously, I think our nation is now mature enough that they deserve to know the facts that these issues were not created by the British, or the RSS, but have existed for centuries. The same is true about our daily minimum Nitnem, and the kakkars which were originally only referred simply as "tre-mudra." There have been Nirmalas, Udasees, and Nihangs that have recited moolmantar up to "Gurparsad" and there have been others who recited up to "Hosee Bhee Sach", and the same for Ragmala. I think its about time we stop dividing the Panth by promoting such myths. The Panth is NOT black and white, it has never been that way. Let's stop characterizing it as such.

So many people hide behind internet screens: https://www.facebook.com/pritpal.singh.991

The issue arises when Udhasis and Nirmale say they are not required to take Amrit and then Udhasis bow to Sri Chand (accept him as Guru) and Nirmale try to describe Veda and other religious text as equal to Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. Nirmale in Guru's times were no different than other Singhs. Nirmale took Amrit from the Punj Pyare and had the same Maryada as Taksal Singhs. Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj taught Baba Deep Singh ji Maharaj, who is the 2nd Jathedar of the Taksal (first being Guru Sahib himself). In Baba Deep Singh ji Maharaj's time the Nirmale were Amritdhari, they did not just teach, they were shastardhari. Nihang Singhs major role was to fight, Taksal Singhs was to teach Sikhs, and Nirmale SINGHS was to spread Sikhi far and wide. However all jathas took roles of being teachers, fighting in battles and spreading Sikhi far and wide. The Nihang Singhs, Taksal Singhs, and Nirmale Singhs were all taught by the first Jathedar of DamDami Taksal, Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Sahib ji Maharaj. Then later Baba Deep Singh ji Maharaj took on the seva as Jathedar of Taksal. Baba Gurbaksh Singh Ji Maharaj another Singh who fought with his head off, also took vidiya from Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj and then later became the Jathedar of Taksal as well. Nirmale were also led by an Amritdhari Singh (Sriman Baba Sahib Singh ji Bedi) at the time of the Jathedar of the Taksal was Sant Giani Sant Singh ji. Take for example the Naamdhari incident. Baba Ram Singh ji was a Gursikh. Shastardhari, Amritdhari and fully followed rehat. But what do "his" followers do now? Kirpan is off, bow to fake Gurus, and disrespect Gurbani. If they truly followed Bhai Ram Singh ji, then you would not know the difference between a Singh and Naamdharis. The udhasis and Nirmale (Mostly these to groups) of today, along with some self claimed Nihang Singhs and Taksal Singhs are trying to suck Sikhs into Hinduism. Why are Sikhs today so against Nirmale. It is because they have forgotten their roots of being Amritdhari Singhs.

You are doing amazing job singh..keep it up...!!..Anand Mangal..!! Love this video below- you presented basic foundation of sikhi very well- shabad, sargun and nirgun saroop...kept it basic/simple yet powerful..!!

is is bad to play video games , u waste time , u get addicted and u get no profit , might aswell being using ur timeto do somthin useful to u and others , but can we play a little bit , like if u got nothing to do ,after u do paat , jus play cod or smthin call of duty black ops trailer

yes ,can confirm that.

KullyKhalsa you are absolutely spot on. I have been an avid follower of this forum for a few years and there are some great posters on here. I have to say unequivocally that N3OSingh is one of the best posters on this forum. I am a 35 year old Singh who grew up in London England and now lives in Toronto. I have seen Singhs and Jathas on both sides of the pond. I have no association to any Jatha but have a huge respect for all the panthic jathebandis whether it is Taksal, AKJ, Nihang dals. We are all brothers and we have differences, be it the rehit we keep the way we do kirtan, there are so many issues that we do not agree on. Some members promote their own agendas according to the jatha that they follow. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world this is an ongoing problem. Some people think that their version and belief set in Sikhi is correct and anyone who doesn’t agree or offers an alternative thought is wrong. N3OSingh is one of them rare people who looks at the entire picture and realises Sikhi did not start in the early 1900s, the 1950s or in 1984. We as a panth need to respect all our brothers and sisters whether we are Taksal, Akj, Nihangs, Nirmaley, Sevapanthis or Udasis. I am all for healthy discussion but I have a humble request please live your lives and jeevans with an open mind. There is no harm in listening to a different opinion even though you don’t agree with it. If it is harmful to the panth, research the issue and present fact based evidence to the contrary and do parchar that way. Sikhi is not about threatening each other because we don’t agree with a certain opinion. Let’s educate ourselves and discuss as sensible people.

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zest. Do both to be sure.

i want to know what everyones views are... theres alot of controversy.... OPINION ANYONE????? THOUGHTS???

as per Damdamit taksal's rehat maryada you can only wear black/blue/white/safron color's in turban and clothing's i dont see an issue here

Damdami taksal orginal name is Gyani samparda going back to baba deep singh ji time and bhai mani singh ji time..!! Paira Singh Padam does not talk about damdami taksal being an samparda in his Sikh Sampardavli pustak nor bhai kahn singh nabha talks about damdami taksal being an samparda but gyani samparda's. Damdami taksal is just like rara sahib upsamparda of nirmale, most of previous jathedards such as sant bishan singh ji muralewale were consider nirmale and part of nihang misals. Damdami taksal branch itself is consider cousin of Nirmale because of nirmale influences. Please read lifes of mahapursh in damdami taksal prior to 1900's such as sant sunder singh ji bhindranwale, sant bishan singh ji- they all had nirmale teachers all dressed in sadhu bana (white). They are deep rooted Nirmale order. Damdami taksal and Nirmale cross platform all the time thats how seamless their relationship is..great sants like sant bishan singh ji muralewale and sant sunder singh ji all had nirmale teachers. Sant bishan singh ji is even consider nirmala...all damdami taksal mahapursh have intertwined/cross platform relationship with nirmale except for sant kartar singh ji bhindranwale and sant jarnail singh ji bhindranwale as per according to time of dharam yudh morcha. Nirmale order is as important as damdami taksal order(lineage). One comes from bhai dya singh ji and bhai dharam singh ji (two of panj pyres) and other- taksal comes from baba deep singh ji/bhai mani singh ji. They cross platform all the time, the relationship is quite seamless. According to Taran Singh and Harbans Singh the two main branches of the Giani sampradaya are the one founded by Baba Deep Singh Ji, the Bhindranwale-Damdami Taksal and the Amristar branch founded by Bhai Mani Singh. Sant mohan singh ji Bhindranwale Taksal of Sant Sundar Singh is still recognised as Nirmalas by the Nirmala sampradaya and still consider themselves as Nirmalas. The difference between both lineages is just according to times and need- Sant Mohan Singh Bhindranwale tries to perserve the scholarly tradition of Gyani samparda, but mehta by Sant Kartar Singh Bhindranwale of Damdami Taksal had to rightly and understandably had to pick up piri in dharam yudh morcha according to the times so rightly priority was speak against injustice so vidya aspect was slightly compromised..senior taksalis from mehta acknowledge this..!! Regarding the Amritsar branch of the Giani sampradaya Taran Singh mentions masters such as Sant Kirpal Singh and Sant Amir Singh as being part of that lineage when in fact they were Sevapanthis so even gyani samparda have cross platform relations with nirmale and sevapanthis there were no issue before as relationship was seamless, its all inter connected- nirmale, sevapanthis, taksali were all inter-connected. http://www.sikhaware...e-and-taksalis/

So if a Sikh student learns english from a Christain teacher, then you can't take the Christian out of the Sikh student? How many here learnt english from a Christain. Pretty much all of you should be nodding your head or raising your hand in the classroom of Sikhsangat. :lol2: So guess what...............we can't take the Christain out of you now. You have been Christinafied..............Praise the Lord!!! :lol2: I guess everyone is a Protestant Sikh............even the person who labels others as Protestant Sikhs............Singh559........you have been protestantified.......lol Also the pdf link says that Sant Baba Sundar Singh Ji Maharaj learnt sanskrit from a Brahman not just Udhasis. So why not on the same illogical thinking say.........you can't take the Brahman out of the Taksal of Satguru Sri Guru Gobind Singh Sahib ji Maharaj.................such riducilous thinking deserves........................... Silly rabbit!! tricks are for kids :biggrin2: But to be professional YO YO check this :lol2: : Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Maharaj said that he read a teeka of Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj done by Nirmala and said that he could not find true value from it. Say Waaat!!!!! You betta bleed that So get this str8.........no this does not mean we are off the record..............we aint even on the record............we just keeping it real. Taksal, which includes all Sikhs (school of Satguru)............are not Christianafied, Brahmanafied, Nirmalafied, Udhasiafied, and surely aint 3HO yoga huggers. Taksal is straight up Sikhafied till the day we muktiafied..............you better bleed that silly rabbit Enjoy your karot.............you aint got nothing else to Udhasify

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The word study cannot be interchanged with contemplation when discussing Gurbani. Study means to apply the mind to acquire knowledge. In Gurbani's case, the mind cannot understand Gurbani on its own. The mind is missing the most important ingredient to attain knowledge from Satguru, which is Satguru's kirpa. After studying science a person can attain knowledge that will be helpful in the future. With Sikhi a person needs to contemplate over Gurbani. Contemplation requires a person to go beyond studying. It requires a person to step deep into the shabad and actually feel the Shabad. People like 3HO, udhasis, Missionaries, etc like Sarbjit Singh Dhunda study Satguru and they miss on the true essence of Satguru's teachings. Studying is when a person looks from the window in. They scratch the surface and have some knowledge as to the point their mind can understand. Contemplation is when the person has placed both feet on the Guru's path and now is ready to accept the deep understanding Satguru is about to present. Many people study Gurbani, but they never actually contemplate over Gurbani. We always hear Sikhs speak about a Shabad a Gyani or someone else spoke about and how they don't agree with what the Gyani or other person is saying. Or they take many different Shabads and then put them together to make a theory of their own. So no doubt many people study Gurbani. Many people on forums study Gurbani. Dr. I.J. Singh is the lead studier at Sikhchic. Guruka Singh is the lead studier at Sikhnet There is also a lead studier here, but lets keep this professional. They never actually contemplate over Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj. With contemplation every nerve in your body starts to sing the tuk, Shabad, or paat; the person is trying to understand. With Contemplation the mind bows many times and submits to the beauty, sweetness, and infinity greatness of the shabad. When contemplation takes place there is no desire to understand. The understanding comes with Satguru's kirpa and the desire is to follow Hukam. Last example to grasp the difference. Satguru is the living Guru, does the living Guru ever act like a book? With a book you need to apply the mind and then keep constantly applying your knowledge to understand the next part. When it comes to Gurbani, we need to listen carefully. Satguru speaks to you. So contemplate (listen to the truth with contentment) when reading Gurbani. Lastly this is not word play. Studying and contemplation have two completely different meanings when it comes to Sikhi.

Don't know wot gatka you been doing/going to mate... Sounds like A dance class. You need to find a good gatka teacher if that's wot u been doing.... Or at the very least one that will slap the sense back into you when u start worshipping Ganesh or wotever giddar nangs are worshipping these days by calling themselves Hindu-Sikhs.

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wjkk wjkf, veerji taran0, this is amazing work that you are doing. I did not know Nidar taught in somerset rd gurdwara. The next thing is to get him banned from leicester and wolverhampton gurdwara's. I dont have a problem with him or any one who wants to learn from him, but his parchar is totally WRONG! He will always have his followers, but he has corrupted many many people. Get him out of Wolverhampton and Leicester! Pat O'Malley, Maul Mornie and Krishna Godhania all need to be informed, this guy is a wolf in sheeps clothing a fraudster! wjkk wjkf

I'll second that. Reading this is very painful.

Reading this is painful.