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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL batt onlee boyez LOOOOOOOOOOOOL IM DYING

Veer at least he is doing something. Many of us including myself become internet warriors but can't make an impact in reality. I keep saying this over and over and over again on Sikh Sangat, I sound like a broken record but PLEASE FELLOW SIKHS LETS LOSE OUR HOLIER THAN THOU ATTITUDE!!! Just because you are a gursikh and he isn't, doesn't mean he has a dirty mouth. Who are we to judge someone else? Only Guru Ji can judge others. Who knows maybe we have loads of more avgun than someone else. Let Dharam Raj do the job not us.

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They dubbed a bomb blast news recording on this incident's video recording, LOL!

Harbhajan Singh is criticizing something that effects the whole society. Jasdeepsingh2k125 is criticizing an individual which honestly doesn't impact our roots or culture. Honestly veer, ok if after being on SikhSangat you've seen me throw the word judgement around, its because I see a lot of intolerance sometimes. It feels like we have to criticize everything posted on here. Why not just realize that ok he made a video tried to do something good thats it leave it at that and continue on with our day. I've been on Sikhsangat for many years also this isn't my only account I had another account before this one so I've read many of your posts too in the past and a lot of them I agree with and a lot of your posts I disagree with, but overall I still respect you as a poster. Yes he does mention that singers should sing about Baba Deep Singh Ji or the Sahibzaade. It just means that he respects the sacrifices Baba Ji made and the Sahibzaade made. He doesn't have to be a pooran Gursikh in order to do that. I am not a Harbhajan Singh fan nor do I know or care about his personal life. I don't know who he is dating or what he does because I honestly could care less about all of that. I just came across this video on youtube and I really liked it. I wanted to post it on here because we usually discuss Punjabi music and the vulgarity of some of it very often. I think we aren't looking at the bigger picture here and we are just nitpicking about silly irrelevant issues. Lets watch the video, enjoy it, and move on.

We look like idiots in front of everyone if we were seriously fighting over a picture. I agree some of these pictures can be inspirational, and If I was in the UK and attended that gurudwara i would be sad to see it go down. but it's ridiculous if this escalated to the point where the police had to be involved.

He starts the video off by mentioning Satguru and Satguru's beloved Sikhs. If hes not about Sikhi, then hes miss using Sikhi to his own ends.

Try explaining it to gorey tude iz aver hagg a singh de vi vill hagg evri singh vi see ani ware vi bont tu axe-press aver lavv phor aver sikh brudurz bikoz vi aar phraum pnjaab, vi kainaut hagg di garalz, batt onlee boyez

Truth is eternal. The times change. Circumstances change. Truth remains enduring, ever applicable.

Great message! Hopefully cheapos like Honey "Singh" will pay heed, and in future Bhajji himself will lead by example as well.

Onlyfive posted this shabad. ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ ॥ बिलावलु ॥ Bilāval. Bilaaval: ਨਿਤ ਉਠਿ ਕੋਰੀ ਗਾਗਰਿ ਆਨੈ ਲੀਪਤ ਜੀਉ ਗਇਓ ॥ नित उठि कोरी गागरि आनै लीपत जीउ गइओ ॥ Niṯ uṯẖ korī gāgar ānai līpaṯ jī▫o ga▫i▫o. Every day, he rises early, and brings a fresh clay pot; he passes his life embellishing and glazing it. ਤਾਨਾ ਬਾਨਾ ਕਛੂ ਨ ਸੂਝੈ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਸਿ ਲਪਟਿਓ ॥੧॥ ताना बाना कछू न सूझै हरि हरि रसि लपटिओ ॥१॥ Ŧānā bānā kacẖẖū na sūjẖai har har ras lapti▫o. ||1|| He does not think at all of worldly weaving; he is absorbed in the subtle essence of the Lord, Har, Har. ||1|| ਹਮਾਰੇ ਕੁਲ ਕਉਨੇ ਰਾਮੁ ਕਹਿਓ ॥ हमारे कुल कउने रामु कहिओ ॥ Hamāre kul ka▫une rām kahi▫o. Who in our family has ever chanted the Name of the Lord? ਜਬ ਕੀ ਮਾਲਾ ਲਈ ਨਿਪੂਤੇ ਤਬ ਤੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਨ ਭਇਓ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ जब की माला लई निपूते तब ते सुखु न भइओ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ Jab kī mālā la▫ī nipūṯe ṯab ṯe sukẖ na bẖa▫i▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o. Ever since this worthless son of mine began chanting with his mala, we have had no peace at all! ||1||Pause|| ਸੁਨਹੁ ਜਿਠਾਨੀ ਸੁਨਹੁ ਦਿਰਾਨੀ ਅਚਰਜੁ ਏਕੁ ਭਇਓ ॥ सुनहु जिठानी सुनहु दिरानी अचरजु एकु भइओ ॥ Sunhu jiṯẖānī sunhu ḏirānī acẖraj ek bẖa▫i▫o. Listen, O my sisters-in-law, a wondrous thing has happened! ਸਾਤ ਸੂਤ ਇਨਿ ਮੁਡੀਂਏ ਖੋਏ ਇਹੁ ਮੁਡੀਆ ਕਿਉ ਨ ਮੁਇਓ ॥੨॥ सात सूत इनि मुडींए खोए इहु मुडीआ किउ न मुइओ ॥२॥ Sāṯ sūṯ in mudīʼne kẖo▫e ih mudī▫ā ki▫o na mu▫i▫o. ||2|| This boy has ruined our weaving business. Why didn't he simply die? ||2|| ਸਰਬ ਸੁਖਾ ਕਾ ਏਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਸੋ ਗੁਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਦਇਓ ॥ सरब सुखा का एकु हरि सुआमी सो गुरि नामु दइओ ॥ Sarab sukẖā kā ek har su▫āmī so gur nām da▫i▫o. O mother, the One Lord, the Lord and Master, is the source of all peace. The Guru has blessed me with His Name. ਸੰਤ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਕੀ ਪੈਜ ਜਿਨਿ ਰਾਖੀ ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਨਖ ਬਿਦਰਿਓ ॥੩॥ संत प्रहलाद की पैज जिनि राखी हरनाखसु नख बिदरिओ ॥३॥ Sanṯ parahlāḏ kī paij jin rākẖī harnākẖas nakẖ biḏri▫o. ||3|| He preserved the honor of Prahlaad, and destroyed Harnaakhash with his nails. ||3|| ਘਰ ਕੇ ਦੇਵ ਪਿਤਰ ਕੀ ਛੋਡੀ ਗੁਰ ਕੋ ਸਬਦੁ ਲਇਓ ॥ घर के देव पितर की छोडी गुर को सबदु लइओ ॥ Gẖar ke ḏev piṯar kī cẖẖodī gur ko sabaḏ la▫i▫o. I have renounced the gods and ancestors of my house, for the Word of the Guru's Shabad. ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਸਗਲ ਪਾਪ ਖੰਡਨੁ ਸੰਤਹ ਲੈ ਉਧਰਿਓ ॥੪॥੪॥ कहत कबीरु सगल पाप खंडनु संतह लै उधरिओ ॥४॥४॥ Kahaṯ Kabīr sagal pāp kẖandan sanṯėh lai uḏẖāri▫o. ||4||4|| Says Kabeer, God is the Destroyer of all sins; He is the Saving Grace of His Saints. ||4||4|| What we understand by this shabad?

Sikh24‏@Sikh24 Southall Police barricade Singh Sabha Gurdwara Southall as no one is allowed to enter for morning prayers . pic.twitter.com/VAVZZxSl

An old man. A young history. A haunting legacy of the Panjab Police's brutal regime of torture and death. Written & Directed by Deep Hundal His blog: http://singhsdoingthings.com/tagged/mywork

You sure? I'll change it and then even set a related picture as your display! :D :D

I think I've found my new screen-name: DhoosraDhamaka.

Who needs enemies when................well you all know the rest. We've come to a breaking point. All this talk of panthic unity is all a farce. We're too far gone to accept/compromise for the betterment of the panth. It's all about me and my party and nothing else. Once some committe members approached Baba Isher Singh Ji Kaleranwale and asked for help in resolving disputes between the different parties. Baba ji's reply was, 'Remove the golak and all your problems will go away" We're being attacked from within and without. But all these false leaders and their chelas will ultimately be defeated. Yes, many sacrifices will have to be made, but without a doubt, the true sons and daughters of Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj will be victorious. All these egostical, faithless melogmanics will get there just rewards. Because the biggest sin you can make is to doubt your Guru but these narakvasis don't release this until it's too late. The other day I heard how much sharda pooran Sikhs have. I heard that Bhai Pinderpal Singh ji was once asked about certain Banis and he replied , 'may my throat be slit if I doubt any of Guru ji's Bani.' Whereas, these faithless masands think they know better than Guruji. A time will come when Gurdwaras will be in the hands of shardavan Sikhs. Those with the panth as their priority and not their own pockets. This is a certainty, just a matter of time. WaheGuru Ji Ka Khalsa! WaheGuru Ji Ki Fateh!

Is the damaka (explosion) a fart. Hagged himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Rasheed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDPw4T1KaVg

right now there is no clear cut way bro ppl have been trying to figure it out but no one has got it right so far hopefully in the future someone will discover the secrets. That being said modern damascus the stuff my kirpans are made of and what ricfurrers is making is still high end steel even for modern steel. Thanks to their unique forging process, Damascus blades are some of the strongest available. Best of both worlds. There are two main types of steel, each with their advantages and disadvantages. Carbon steel is easier to sharpen but prone to rust and must be treated with silicon wax to withstand the elements. Stainless steel, on the other hand, resists rust but is harder to sharpen. By uniquely combining these two metals, some Damascus knives offer the durability of its stainless steel outer core and the fine cutting edge of its carbon steel inner core. Unique blade. Let’s face it: Even the most pragmatic person enjoys the aesthetic value of a quality kirpan. The wavy water-like pattern on the blade of a Damascus knife makes each one unique and something of a work of art. that what i put on my site info on damscus for ppl who dont really know what it is, with out really going into too much technical info.

Also, as I said earlier in the discussion that Dev and Deo are the same. It is further proved by my previous post: ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀ ਕੀ Guru Nanak Dev Guru Nanak Deo they are and mean the exact same thing, just different pronunciations.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜਯੋ ਜਯ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਤੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥੧॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਅਲਖ ਗਤਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਤਾਰਣ ਤਰਣੰ ॥੧॥ ਤਿਨਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸੋਢੀ ਥਿਰੁ ਥਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਭਗਤ ਉਧਰੀਅੰ ॥ ਸਵਯੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਬਾਕ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥ ਜਹ ਖੇਲੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਨਾ ॥੩॥ ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਤਥਾ ਸਭਨਾ ਭਗਤਾ ਕੀ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸੈਣੁ ॥ ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਜੈਦੇਵ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ਪਦਾ ਘਰੁ ੪ ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੩ ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ਚਉਪਦਾ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥ ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਦੁਪਦੇ ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਤਿਪਦੇ ੮ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੭ ਇਕਤੁਕਾ ੧ ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ੯ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੫ ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਚਉਪਦੇ ਇਕਤੁਕੇ ॥ ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਚਉਪਦੇ ੧੪ ॥

When you have this much descriptive praise for Guru Gobind Singh Jee, these is really no need left to put the word 'Dev' in there. Simply saying "Guru Gobind SIngh" says it all :smile2: . 1. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/2124/sathigur_purakh_aganm_hai_niravair_nirala/line/8 2. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/850/har_suuche_thukhuth_ruchaaei-aa_sath_sungath_melaa_u/line/14 3. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1880/praan_meeth_purumaathumaa_purukhothum_pooraa_u/line/4 4. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1797/ouh_gur_gobindh_hue_prugati-aa_dhusuve_avuthaaraa_u/line/7 5. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/695/gurubur_akaal_ke_hukum_so_oupajiou_bigi-aanaa_u/line/44 6. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/968/jaage_singh_buluvunth_beer_subh_dhusut_khupaaee_u/line/10 7. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1738/nij_futhe_bulaa-ee_sathiguroo_keeno_oujee-aaraa_u/line/11 8. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/2468/vehi_oupajiou_chelaa_murudh_kaa_murudhaan_sudhaaee_u/line/25 9. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1785/ouankaar_akaar_aap_hai_hosee_bhee_aapai/line/19 10. http://www.searchgurbani.com/amrit_keertan/shabad/1721/naasuro_munusoor_gur_gobindh_singh/line/1

Bound to happen when these managements sponsors missionaries like dhunda.

I don't know why you put "Sahib" in bold, as if you are trying to prove some point that 'Sahib' is "correct". Let me explain some more. Look at what Dilgeer wrote: That whole sentence is hypocritical and wrong. Sri/Shri is very much accepted. You will find it used at MANY PLACES throughout Sikh literature/scriptures. The following alone is over 90 references from Guru Granth Sahib Jee. Don't even get me started on references from Bhai Gurdas Jee, Dasam Granth, Sarbloh Granth, and other literature/scriptures. Please read these 90+ references to get a full understanding of how totally wrong "Dr." Dilgeer is and how manipulative his article is in terms of taking advantage of those who do not research and explore Sikhi fully. It is very hypocritical to keep on promoting "Sahib" while saying Shri/Shri, Dev, Deo, Dhan, Baba, Jee, Jeeo, Maharaj, etc are wrong. They are not wrong. They are all acceptable. Let's stop being anti-sanscrit, anti-hindi, anti-brij language, etc etc etc. Just because many words have a Hindu/Hinduism background doesn't make those words wrong or bad in any way. Let's keep an open mind, unlike Dilgeer. ਪੰਨਾ 29, ਸਤਰ 10 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 36, ਸਤਰ 3 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 44, ਸਤਰ 11 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 44, ਸਤਰ 18 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 80, ਸਤਰ 1 ਪੁਰਬੇ ਕਮਾਏ ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਪਾਏ ਹਰਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਚਿਰੀ ਵਿਛੁੰਨਿਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 80, ਸਤਰ 4 ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਪਾਏ ਮੰਗਲ ਗਾਏ ਇਛ ਪੁੰਨੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੁਠੇ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 83, ਸਤਰ 2 ਰਾਗਾ ਵਿਚਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਹੈ ਜੇ ਸਚਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 92, ਸਤਰ 14 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗੁ ਭਗਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 93, ਸਤਰ 1 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਗ ਬਾਣੀ ਭਗਤ ਬੇਣੀ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ॥ ਪਹਰਿਆ ਕੈ ਘਰਿ ਗਾਵਣਾ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 155, ਸਤਰ 11 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਉਚਰੁ ਮਨਾ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 247, ਸਤਰ 8 ਪੁਰਖੋ ਬਿਧਾਤਾ ਏਕੁ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰੁ ਕਿਉ ਮਿਲਹ ਤੁਝੈ ਉਡੀਣੀਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 248, ਸਤਰ 16 ਦੁਖਹਰਣ ਦੀਨ ਸਰਣ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਚਰਨ ਕਮਲ ਅਰਾਧੀਐ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 248, ਸਤਰ 19 ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗੋ ਦਇਆਲ ਮਨੋਹਰੁ ਭਗਤਿ ਵਛਲੁ ਬਿਰਦਾਇਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 262, ਸਤਰ 9 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰਦੇਵਏ ਨਮਹ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 323, ਸਤਰ 12 ਗਉੜੀ ਗੁਆਰੇਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਚਉਪਦੇ ੧੪ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 326, ਸਤਰ 11 ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥ ਪੰਨਾ 359, ਸਤਰ 11 ਧੀਰਜੁ ਧੜੀ ਬੰਧਾਵੈ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗੁ ਸੁਰਮਾ ਦੇਈ ॥੩॥ ਪੰਨਾ 436, ਸਤਰ 8 ਕਰਣ ਕਾਰਣ ਸਮਰਥ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਆਪਿ ਕਾਰਜੁ ਸਾਰਏ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 459, ਸਤਰ 11 ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਮਿਲੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਸਗਲ ਆਨੰਦ ਰਸੁ ਬਣਿਆ ॥੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ 462, ਸਤਰ 6 ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਰਾਤੇ ਨਾਮ ਮਾਤੇ ਭੈ ਭਰਮ ਦੁਤੀਆ ਸਗਲ ਖੋਤ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 462, ਸਤਰ 15 ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਆਸ ਪੂਰਨ ਮਿਲੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਗੁਣ ਨਿਧਾਨ ॥੪॥੧॥੧੪॥ ਪੰਨਾ 475, ਸਤਰ 13 ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 478, ਸਤਰ 6 ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਚਉਪਦੇ ਇਕਤੁਕੇ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 479, ਸਤਰ 4 ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ੯ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੫ ਪੰਨਾ 481, ਸਤਰ 15 ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਤਿਪਦੇ ੮ ਦੁਤੁਕੇ ੭ ਇਕਤੁਕਾ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ 483, ਸਤਰ 12 ਆਸਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਦੁਪਦੇ ਪੰਨਾ 485, ਸਤਰ 1 ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਪੰਨਾ 486, ਸਤਰ 5 ਆਸਾ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ਪੰਨਾ 501, ਸਤਰ 6 ਕਰਣ ਕਾਰਣ ਸੰਮ੍ਰਥ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਸਰਣਿ ਤਾ ਕੀ ਗਹੀ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 502, ਸਤਰ 14 ਆਰਾਧਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਸਫਲ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕਰਣ ਕਾਰਣ ਜੋਗੁ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 508, ਸਤਰ 10 ਖਲ ਮੁਗਧ ਮੂੜ ਕਟਾਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਭਏ ਗੁਣ ਮਤਿ ਧੀਰ ॥੬॥ ਪੰਨਾ 524, ਸਤਰ 8 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ਚਉਪਦਾ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 525, ਸਤਰ 1 ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਮਦੇਵ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ 525, ਸਤਰ 10 ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੩ ਪੰਨਾ 525, ਸਤਰ 16 ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ਜੀਉ ਕੇ ਪਦੇ ਘਰੁ ੧ ਪੰਨਾ 526, ਸਤਰ 12 ਗੂਜਰੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਜੈਦੇਵ ਜੀਉ ਕਾ ਪਦਾ ਘਰੁ ੪ ਪੰਨਾ 544, ਸਤਰ 16 ਹਰਿ ਕੰਤ ਅਨੰਤ ਦਇਆਲ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਣੋ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 546, ਸਤਰ 4 ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਮੇਰੀ ਇਛ ਪੂਰਨ ਮਿਲੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਰਾਮਾ ॥੩॥ ਪੰਨਾ 567, ਸਤਰ 13 ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਰਾਤੀ ਫਿਰੈ ਮਾਤੀ ਉਦਕੁ ਗੰਗਾ ਵਾਣੀ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 695, ਸਤਰ 9 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸੈਣੁ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 705, ਸਤਰ 13 ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਮ ਰੰਗ ਅਪਾਰ ਪੂਰਨ ਨਹ ਨਿਮਖ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਵੂਠਿਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 705, ਸਤਰ 15 ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧਸੰਗੇ ਭਜੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਕਰਿ ਅੰਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਜੀ ਤਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 792, ਸਤਰ 6 ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀਉ ਤਥਾ ਸਭਨਾ ਭਗਤਾ ਕੀ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 793, ਸਤਰ 13 ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਵਿਦਾਸ ਜੀਉ ਕੀ ਪੰਨਾ 843, ਸਤਰ 11 ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਮੋਹਿਅੜੀ ਪਿਰ ਸੰਗਿ ਸੂਤੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 848, ਸਤਰ 6 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਨ ਉਚਰਹਿ ਬਲਿ ਗਈਏ ਦੁਹਚਾਰਣਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 929, ਸਤਰ 10 ਬਿਨਵੰਤਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਨਿਤ ਕਰਹੁ ਰਲੀਆ ਹਰਿ ਮਿਲੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਕੰਤ ਜੀਉ ॥੭॥ ਪੰਨਾ 929, ਸਤਰ 15 ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਗੁਣ ਨਿਧਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਆਦਿ ਕਉ ਆਦੇਸੁ ਜੀਉ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 988, ਸਤਰ 12 ਜਹ ਖੇਲੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਾਰਾਇਨਾ ॥੩॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1082, ਸਤਰ 9 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1082, ਸਤਰ 14 ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1105, ਸਤਰ 2 ਹਸਤੀ ਦੇਖਿ ਭਰਮ ਤੇ ਭੂਲਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਵਾਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1117, ਸਤਰ 3 ਸਿਮ੍ਰਿਤਿ ਸਾਸਤ੍ਰ ਸਭਨੀ ਸਹੀ ਕੀਤਾ ਸੁਕਿ ਪ੍ਰਹਿਲਾਦਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਮਿ ਕਰਿ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿਦੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1138, ਸਤਰ 16 ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਮੋਹਨ ਸਗਲ ਉਪਾਵਨ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਸੁਖਦਾਤਾ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1162, ਸਤਰ 10 ਜਿਹ ਪਉੜ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1162, ਸਤਰ 12 ਜਹ ਪਉੜੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕਮਲਾ ਕੰਤ ॥੪॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1163, ਸਤਰ 11 ਜਾਮਿ ਨ ਉਚਰਸਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1164, ਸਤਰ 4 ਨਾਮੇ ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗੁ ਭੇਟਲ ਸੋਈ ॥੪॥੪॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1194, ਸਤਰ 7 ਮੇਰੀ ਪਟੀਆ ਲਿਖਿ ਦੇਹੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੋਪਾਲ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1201, ਸਤਰ 1 ਜਪਿ ਮਨ ਨਰਹਰੇ ਨਰਹਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਹਰਿ ਸਗਲ ਦੇਵ ਦੇਵਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮੁ ਮੋਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1201, ਸਤਰ 9 ਜਪਿ ਮਨ ਮਾਧੋ ਮਧੁਸੂਦਨੋ ਹਰਿ ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗੋ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੋ ਸਤਿ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਅੰਤਰਜਾਮੀ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1232, ਸਤਰ 7 ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਨਾਥ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਲੀਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਜਾਨੈ ਪੀਰ ਪਰਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1265, ਸਤਰ 14 ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਬੋਲਤ ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੋਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1292, ਸਤਰ 4 ਸੁ ਐਸਾ ਰਾਜਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਰਹਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1292, ਸਤਰ 7 ਸੁ ਐਸਾ ਰਾਜਾ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ॥੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1314, ਸਤਰ 3 ਸਭਿ ਬੋਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਰਮੋ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮ ਰਮੋ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਾਲਦੁ ਦੁਖ ਭੁਖ ਸਭ ਲਹਿ ਜਾਵਣੀ ॥੩॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1321, ਸਤਰ 10 ਤੇ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਜਿਨ ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਮੁ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਗੁਰਮਤਿ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮੁਕੰਦੇ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1353, ਸਤਰ 14 ਆਤਮੰ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਬਾਸ੍ਵਦੇਵਸ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਜੇ ਕੋਈ ਜਾਨਸਿ ਭੇਵ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1363, ਸਤਰ 1 ਨਾਨਕ ਇਕੁ ਸ੍ਰੀਧਰ ਨਾਥੁ ਜਿ ਟੂਟੇ ਲੇਇ ਸਾਂਠਿ ॥੧੫॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1385, ਸਤਰ 3 ਸਵਯੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਬਾਕ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1387, ਸਤਰ 3 ਸਵਯੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਬਾਕ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ਪੰਨਾ 1388, ਸਤਰ 5 ਸ੍ਰੀਪਤਿ ਨਾਥ ਸਰਣਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਨ ਹੇ ਭਗਵੰਤ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਿ ਤਾਰਹੁ ॥੫॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1390, ਸਤਰ 10 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1398, ਸਤਰ 6 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਰਣਿ ਭਜੁ ਕਲ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਕਬਿ ਭੁਗਤਿ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਸਭ ਗੁਰੂ ਲਗਿ ॥੧੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1399, ਸਤਰ 5 ਗੁਰ ਅਮਰੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿ ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਰਾਖੀ ਪਤਿ ਅਘਨ ਦੇਖਤ ਗਤੁ ਚਰਨ ਕਵਲ ਜਾਸ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1399, ਸਤਰ 12 ਕਾਠਹੁ ਸ੍ਰੀਖੰਡ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਿ ਕੀਅਉ ਦੁਖ ਦਰਿਦ੍ਰ ਤਿਨ ਕੇ ਗਇਅ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1400, ਸਤਰ 11 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸੁਪ੍ਰਸੰਨ ਕਲਜੁਗ ਹੋਇ ਰਾਖਹੁ ਦਾਸ ਭਾਟ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ॥੮॥੧੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1401, ਸਤਰ 9 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ ਭਗਤ ਉਧਰੀਅੰ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1401, ਸਤਰ 13 ਤਿਨਿ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਸੋਢੀ ਥਿਰੁ ਥਪ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1401, ਸਤਰ 16 ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਅਲਖ ਗਤਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਤਾਰਣ ਤਰਣੰ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1402, ਸਤਰ 1 ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਅਲਖ ਗਤਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਤਾਰਣ ਤਰਣੰ ॥੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1402, ਸਤਰ 4 ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਅਲਖ ਗਤਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਤਾਰਣ ਤਰਣੰ ॥੩॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1402, ਸਤਰ 8 ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਸੇਵਿ ਅਲਖ ਗਤਿ ਜਾ ਕੀ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ ਤਾਰਣ ਤਰਣੰ ॥੪॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1402, ਸਤਰ 14 ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥੬॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1402, ਸਤਰ 18 ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥੭॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1403, ਸਤਰ 2 ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥੮॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1404, ਸਤਰ 5 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਚਿਤਹ ਬਸੈ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1405, ਸਤਰ 6 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜਯੋ ਜਯ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਤੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥੧॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1405, ਸਤਰ 9 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜਯੋ ਜਯ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਤੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥੨॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1405, ਸਤਰ 12 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜਯੋ ਜਯ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਤੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥੩॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1405, ਸਤਰ 14 ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰ ਰਾਮਦਾਸ ਜਯੋ ਜਯ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਤੈ ਹਰਿ ਪਰਮ ਪਦੁ ਪਾਇਯਉ ॥੪॥ ਪੰਨਾ 1409, ਸਤਰ 15 ਹਰਿਬੰਸ ਜਗਤਿ ਜਸੁ ਸੰਚਰ੍ਯ੍ਯਉ ਸੁ ਕਵਣੁ ਕਹੈ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਮੁਯਉ ॥੧॥

I'll wait for the restraining order to expire before I make my next move.

Does sitting outside a girl's house with a machete and blood-shot eyes fall into bad boy territory? Would she like that? I can never find the right balance.

I guess so veer ji. I've started being somewhat of a bad boy myself. Today I used a fork to eat my cereal...so bad...

Remind me not to fall on hard times with some of you around as support! :blink2: I don't agree with the boyfriend / girlfriend bakwaas, but if she has found herself in a situation with the guy, then the least she can do is try to help him to relinquish the bottle. Or am I underestimating the pyaar between a man and his drink? If not, then why exactly was the relationship entered into in the beginning? Was it only to be there for each other during the good times? I suggests she leaves the relationship with her head held high if she has found herself in this mess.

A true sant does his own kirat kamaee..ie..works for his own roti (kirat karna). The word sant in gurbani is used for the humble slave, the gurmukh, the bhagat, the pure being, the mool, brahm gyan, atam gyan...... But the commercial sant rarely even earns his own honest living. Instead they are free loaders off the sangat donations !! Below is shabad that highlights the importance of earning your own honest dollar and roti.. pana 1245 ਗਿਆਨ ਵਿਹੂਣਾ ਗਾਵੈ ਗੀਤ ॥ Gi▫ān vihūṇā gāvai gīṯ. The one who lacks spiritual wisdom sings religious songs. ਭੁਖੇ ਮੁਲਾਂ ਘਰੇ ਮਸੀਤਿ ॥ Bẖukẖe mulāʼn gẖare masīṯ. The hungry Mullah turns his home into a mosque. ਮਖਟੂ ਹੋਇ ਕੈ ਕੰਨ ਪੜਾਏ ॥ Makẖtū ho▫e kai kann paṛā▫e. The lazy unemployed has his ears pierced to look like a Yogi. ਫਕਰੁ ਕਰੇ ਹੋਰੁ ਜਾਤਿ ਗਵਾਏ ॥ Fakar kare hor jāṯ gavā▫e. Someone else becomes a pan-handler, and loses his social status. ਗੁਰੁ ਪੀਰੁ ਸਦਾਏ ਮੰਗਣ ਜਾਇ ॥ Gur pīr saḏā▫e mangaṇ jā▫e. One who calls himself a guru or a spiritual teacher, while he goes around begging ਤਾ ਕੈ ਮੂਲਿ ਨ ਲਗੀਐ ਪਾਇ ॥ Ŧā kai mūl na lagī▫ai pā▫e. - don't ever touch his feet. ਘਾਲਿ ਖਾਇ ਕਿਛੁ ਹਥਹੁ ਦੇਇ ॥ Gẖāl kẖā▫e kicẖẖ hathahu ḏe▫e. One who works for what he eats, and gives some of what he has ਨਾਨਕ ਰਾਹੁ ਪਛਾਣਹਿ ਸੇਇ ॥੧॥ Nānak rāhu pacẖẖāṇėh se▫e. ||1|| - O Nanak, he knows the Path. ||1||

Did you even read my first reply on the first page of this thread? Please read it again. Dilgeer is clearly exposed and is lying again and again. Like I said before, Dilgeer just listed a bunch of literature which he knows that no one is going to go and thoroughly read. It is clearly evident from his clever editing of Prof./Principal Sahib Singh Jee's work. Again, I don't think you read what I say or post. All you keep on doing is turning a blind eye and keep on asking questions. You just want people to keep on answering so that at one point they can make a mistake or slip. And at that moment you will jump in to completely discredit that person. Keep it real. Isn't Guru Granth Sahib Jee enough proof for you? http://postimage.org/image/3oq41at7h/ After Guru Granth Sahib Jee, the next ranked piece of literature and Bani is that of Bhai Gurdaas Jee. Forget ਭੱਟ ਵਹੀਆਂ’, ਪਾਂਡਾ ਵਹੀਆਂ, ਸੈਨਾਪਤੀ, ਕੋਇਰ ਸਿੰਘ, ਕੇਸਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਛਿੱਬਰ, ਸ੍ਵਰੂਪ ਸਿੰਘ ਕੌਸ਼ਿਸ਼, ਰਤਨ ਸਿੰਘ ਭੰਗੂ, ਸੁਖਬਾਸੀ ਰਾਮ ਬੇਦੀ ਅਤੇ ਹੋਰ ਲੇਖਕ. Forget ਵਲਾਇਤ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਨਮਸਾਖੀ, ਮਿਹਰਬਾਨ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਨਮਸਾਖੀ, ਭਾਈ ਬਾਲੇ ਵਾਲੀ ਜਨਮਸਾਖੀ, ਭਾਈ ਮਨੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਦੇ ਨਾਂ ਨਾਲ ਜੋੜੀ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਜਨਮਸਾਖੀ (look how cleverly Dilgeer writes that), ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਜਨਮਸਾਖੀ. Forget ਕੜਖੇ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹ ਦਸਵੇਂ ਕੇ (ਸੈਣ ਸਿੰਘ), ਪਉੜੀਆਂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਕੀਆਂ (ਮੀਰ ਮੁਸ਼ਕੀ ਤੇ ਛਬੀਲਾ), ਜੁਧ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਕਾ (ਅਣੀ ਰਾਇ), ਵਾਰ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਵੀਂ ਕੀ (ਅਗਿਆਤ), ਵਾਰ ਭੇੜੇ ਕੀ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸ (ਅਗਿਆਤ), ਵਾਰ ਭੰਗਾਣੀ ਕੀ (ਅਗਿਆਤ), ਜੁੱਧ-ਚਰਿਤ੍ਰ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜੀ ਕਾ (ਵੀਰ ਸਿੰਘ ਬੱਲ), ਵਾਰ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਸਰ ਕੀ (ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਭਗਤ), ਵਾਰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਕੀ (ਅਗਿਆਤ)ਵਾਰ ਕਲਿਆਨ ਕੀ (ਖ਼ੁਸ਼ਹਾਲ ਚੰਦ). Forget all of these lists that Dilgeer keeps on making up. Bhai Gurdaas Jee's work is arguably first and foremost after Guru Granth Sahib Jee. http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=6409 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=6411 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=5621 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=5855 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=5983 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=6067 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=6090 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=5611 http://sikhitothemax...p?ShabadID=6482 It's really simple. Like I said before. Nanak is the name of the body. Guru is the Jot/Thought process/Mindset/Teachings/Way of Life. Hence Guru + Nanak = Guru Nanak. Out of respect we say Jee, Jeeo, Sahib, Dev, Deo, Maharaj, Dhan, Baba, etc... It's such a simple concept, I don't know what is such a big deal? It's a non-issue. Just because Dev has to do with Hindi and Hindus doesn't change/mean anything. If you do a little research you would find out that Guru Nanak Dev Jee was also called MANY OTHER NAMES at the VARIOUS PLACES he went to DURING HIS LIFETIME (so you can throw Dilgeer's big list out of the window). https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B39vxC8IGIWFbTlST1ctX2psdEk/edit?pli=1 Some called him Nanak. Some called him Guru Nanak. Some called him Baba Nanak. Some called him Guru Nanak Dev. Some called him Nanak Deo. Some called him Nanak Shah. Some called him Baba Nanak Shah. Some called him Baba Nanak Shah Fakir/Faqir. Some called him Baba Nanak Fakir/Faqir. Some called him Hazrat Rab Majid Baba Nanak Fakir/Faqir. Some called him Jehangir jaman hind lat abd al majid Nanak meaning "The Lord of the time, resident of India, Nanak – the man of God’. Some called him Pir (Peer). Some called him Hindu Guru Nanak To (Tau) Fakir Balol. Some called him Murshid. Some called him Hazrat Nanak. etc, etc, etc Guru Nanak Dev Jee travelled to many places in his life and was most certainly called by many different names/titles by many different people. If you read my first post you would understand. Hence Dev, Deo, etc. Just because DEV and DEO have a Hindu/Hinduism background/root, does not mean or change anything. Dev and Deo are no different than Sahib. Dilgeer is a hypocrit and a liar who wrote that article to try and advance his agenda. Dilgeer said "ਉਂਞ ਸਾਡੀ ਕੌਮ ਦੇ ਲੇਖਕਾਂ ਦੀ ਇਹ ‘ਸਿਫ਼ਤ’ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਅੱਖਾਂ ਮੀਟ ਕੇ ਮੱਖੀ ’ਤੇ ਮੱਖੀ ਮਾਰੀ ਜਾਣਗੇ ਪਰ ਜਦੋਂ ਕੋਈ ਗ਼ਲਤੀ ਵੱਲ ਇਸ਼ਾਰਾ ਕਰੇਗਾ ਤਾਂ ਆਖ ਦੇਣਗੇ: "ਛੱਡੋ ਪਰਾਂ!" "ਤਾਂ ਕੀ ਹੈ?" "ਹੁਣ ਤਾਂ ਬਹੁਤ ਕਿਤਾਬਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਆ ਚੁੱਕਾ ਹੈ", ਵਗੈਰਾ". Maybe he should open his eyes first before telling anyone else that theirs' are closed. And maybe you should open your eyes to read/understand the evidence and material I am putting in front of you.

I think it helps to get some background on Kabirji, as this can make the undertstanding some what easier ! Not much is known of Kabir's birth parents, but it is known that he was brought up in a family of Muslim weavers. He was found by a Muslim weaver named Niru and his wife, Nima, in Lehartara, situated in Varanasi. Both Niru and Nima were very poor and illiterate.[7] They adopted the boy and taught him the weaver's trade. It is not known in detail what sort of spiritual training Kabir may have received. He did not become a sadhu nor did he ever abandon worldly life. Kabir chose instead to live the balanced life of a householder and mystic, a tradesman and contemplative. However,his early spiritual training came from Ramananda, who became his guru when Kabir was still a child. There are various versions of how Ramananda came to accept Kabir as his disciple. What all the versions agree is that Kabir tricked Ramananda into giving him a mantra for meditation, which forced him to accept Kabir as his disciple. Kabir's family is believed to have lived in the locality of Kabir Chaura in Varanasi. Kabīr maṭha a maṭha lo cated in the back alleys of Kabir Chaura, celebrates his life and times.[9] Accompanying the property is a house named Nīrūṭīlā which houses Niru and Nima's graves.The house also accommodates students and scholars who live there and study Kabir's work. He was under the wing of Ramanand from a young age, but he actually ended up teaching his master gurmat. Kabir could clearly see the empty practices that were being done and controlled by the so called 'enlightened' !! 1) In Gurbani, it is clear that Bhagat Kabir spend whole his life in Shivpuri(Kashi,Banaras), and when he grow old, during end days of life he spend his life in Maghar(Uttar Pardesh). Kabir said that he wasted his whole life in benaras and during that tenure he wrote Bijak too. He was not able to find Gurmat their but in Maghar he found Gurmat probably in Company of Saints 2) From Gurbani, it also clears that the lifetime he spent in Kashi wasted in penance and meditation which was of no use. He even said that Saints of Benaras are Hypocrites. They actually tangled in Maya(Temporal) and forget the name of god which he able to find at Maghar

I love pictures like these :D

Who is Harbhajan Singh to judge someone else? Why does he have a holier than thou attitude? Who knows maybe Harbhajan Singh has more avgun than those he is judging. The brain works in funny ways. Those we praise, we forget to think is he judging? Posters throw the word judging around in every sentence when they don't agree with someone, just like the word taliban. Don't attack the messenger :biggrin2:

If i am judging your question right, things do change in this world there is improvement in technology and some feel there is fall in moral values and character of society. Change is unchanged phenomenon. But one thing is static in nature, that is creator i.e. he doesn't change with time. Baani of Guru Granth Sahib says one thing that if you want to meet God, you need to be Like God i.e. he is pure and truth and you should be pure and truth. Everything that is being discovered by science is always present, we are exploring it and giving definations like big bang, law of gravity. Religion in sikhism is about high moral values and living in a way that you feel god like blood in veins. Its my thought people differ in their approach.

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Care to share how it's not? :O I'd take your word for it, but I'd like to know why. I think people have a habit of making certain things more mythical when in reality they are not so out of reach than they really are. Just like the katana, it's an amazing blade and takes incredible skill to make, but a European high quality blade could compete with it. The process isn't exactly the same and even in the old days each sword smith had a unique way of making their sword and even further no one swordsmith made an identical sword. Each sword varied based on many factors. What is your basis to say this isn't wootz? RicFurrer has a chemistry degree and his life is dedicated to metallurgy.

In gore countries I wanna hug Awwwwwww ***HUGS*** In Punjab Mai tere te haggna ***bannnggg...bannngggg...banngggg*** ***more banngggg...bannnggg....banngggg***

On a serious note, the people who started this seem desperate to get hugs. If you want a hug go to Punjab and find some on the road. (hug means poo) lol

If Harbhajan is so proud of Punjab and its culture why is he not tying a pagh? Isn't that Punjabi Shaan? pehlan daadi te poori rakho !! Become a pooran gursikh harbhajan singh

A great movie, I loved it and shared it, even more poignant when I learnt it was based on KPS Gill. But I do think that overall, KPS Gill has a fat bank balance and a cushy life planned for himself in India. Him and all the other <banned word filter activated> of 1984 and since. Hoping for regret from them after they benefitted in every way from sucking the blood of our panth is a waste, they need delivering to Gurus darbar.

"That'll be 5 lakh up-front, and 1 lakh each year for the rest of your life for.... erm... an Akhand Paat... yes... an Akhand Paat or the child will not remain in good health". True story. Same here. Personally - therefore don't take this as the truth - I think the Gursikh gentleman at the end of the road, raising his children in the Sikh way, working a 9 to 5 job to provide for his family, teaching his children about Sikhi and Sikhi history, ensuring Gurbani is the focus of everything in his life, as he lives with honour and respect whilst the world around him severely lacks these qualities, is the person with saintly qualities and is the kind of individual we should view as a sant in this modern-day world. Seeking out a dera packed full of luxury cars in the hope of meeting a Baba who only emerges to meet you when his followers tell him what kind of car you've arrived in (and by extension an indication of your status and how much you can fill his coffers) is not the kind of sant Guru Ji was referring to. Like you I'm afraid I don't know anyone who can point me in the direction of a saint in the classical sense of the word. Guess that's my karams at work! :biggrin2: Those fortunate enough to know the decent and honourable sants and mahapurashs' are very lucky.

Baba Ji, give me a son :giggle:

For some people I think it's not just about something as straight-forward as seeking translations or clarifications of tuks. I think N30Singh Ji explains it rather well. Uncynically, I think Guru Arjan Dev Ji encourages us to seek the company of saints at the end of Kirtain Sohila as well as a complete Asthpadi venerating the qualities of a saint in Sukhmani Sahib. It's the "Nanak daas eho sukh mange, mokho kar santan ki dhure" if I remember the final lines of Kirtain Sohila correctly. It's about being in the presence of these elevated individuals in the hope they can guide you towards goodness, and some of their inate gyan and knowledge can rub-off on the individual. That's the theory at least. In reality some people begin to view Sants as some kind of miracle-doers or fortune-tellers who can provide them with the necessary tools to get on in the world, i.e. "Baba Ji, give me a son" or "Baba Ji, mere kam-baar de vich taruki hove" etc. That's when things go awry in my opinion. Of course, the hardcore Brahmgianis don't entertain such low-level, maya-infused demands from anyone. They get you on the path to Waheguru, and to hell with your personal desires.

This is good topic, but the issue is not that clear cut. I wouldn't say real sants are dividing the sangat but rather their chelas who are causing a problem and dividing the sangat. Over zealous chelas are big problem not just limited to sikhi but everywhere. I would go as far as saying out of 100%, 25-30% sant followers understood purpose or role of sant in one's life which is attach you with sargun (partakh roop of sri guru granth sahib ji), shabad, nirgun aspect of vahiguroo ji, get motivated/inspired to do bhagti and actually do bhagti, contemplate on gurbani and they actually understand the real purpose of sant is to ultimately actually show you the mirror of your own true self, those 25-30% a take real laha of sadh sangat/mahapursh sangat and rest 70-75% sant followers have lost the plot somewhat- some are genuinely stuck in bhamal busa (overboard overblown exaggerated personality worship/semantics/technalities) and some have became outright hostile over zealous chelas like jevoh witness. Read this for more info http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/69848-individual-cultish-perception-and-the-khalsa-panth/ I know its very hard to define role of sant theoratically speaking but each one of sant/bhai/jathedar/gyani "followers" (including me) need to come in terms within themselves honestly and find out- According to gurbani and gurmat, whats the purpose of doing sangat of sant/mahapursh/bhramgyani ? what does gurbani say about it? Are we going to do sangat of sant to clear the doubts/sansa's of one self, to improve one state of mind/peace of mind, do satkar or sadh sangat seva to help kill our ego? or we just want to fit in to show off get power, hide our own insecurity/inferiority complex behind them and use them as token gestures? or we want to quick kick of an bliss in their sangat perhaps looking for easy way out-bhramgyan on silver plate?? Just like in class, there are various many students who is learning, some are a+ grade some are time wasters, some are quick learners, for some it takes time to learn, some misinterpret their teachers, just like in spiritual school- we also have different students at different different state, some are a+ grade some are time wasters, some are quick learners, for some it takes time to learn, some misinterpret their teachers (famous sakhi of mahatam buddha student asking him where is god? mahatama ji smiled some grade 1 chelas took his smile and interpreted as - there is no god), just like there are many different types of students in gurmat as well. http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/70060-three-types-of-students-according-to-gurmat/ There is no hard or fast rule in this. There are some blessed souls who don't need middle men all the way to go fwd on sikhi path but at the same time there are many depending on the karam of an individual as its all relative- many needs small guidance within gurbani, there are many who just needs a small spike/reality check (even great bhai vir singh ji had to sangat of mahapursh to clear one of his doubts), there are many who need to get their doubts/sansa's cleared and there are many people who need sangat of mahapursh to clear all kinds of theological/ontological/subtle road blocks in one's life to go fwd towards sikhi, there are many who need reality check slaps right left and center to come back to basic of sikh or path of sikhi. Thats why gurbani emphasizes greatly on sadh/sant/bhramgyani mahapursh sangat. Sadh sangat is encouraged in Gurmat, society of saints/sant (all of sants mentioned or samparda's/jatha does so) that should inspire us to do bhagti, read gurbani, contemplate on it , do simran on our own, self-reflect, do khoj/research if it does not may be something wrong with our individual perception/mindset at the first place. The problem is there are many followers of sant/bhai sahib/jathehdar do have common human tendacy to focus on messenger as opposed to message (don't get me wrong due satkar should be given but also need to have right balance not this sheer overboard overblown exaggerated personality worship/ idiolizing mahapursh semantics and technalities rather than looking at the essence behind of things. Message is more important than messenger as messenger themselves put shabad, sargun, nirgun divinity as paramount....perception of individual focus on messenger as opposed to message needs to be addressed... please see sant jawala singh ji harkhowal updesh to janak singh regarding contemplation of shabad, helping janak singh moving fwd in his own spiritual journey http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/63528-sant-baba-jawala-singh-harkowahals-updesh-about-dyhaan-to-janak-singh-ji/ Now coming back to what dhunda has done is simple knee je rk reaction approach of khandan mandan everything and anything as opposed to looking at the issue more deeply. Whilst, his intent regarding bring everyone together may be right but with that being said he is cleary out of depth as there is nothing wrong with sant sangat but everything wrong with many over zealous chelas perception...he should be targetting over zealous cultish perception of people rather than actual sants..!!

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ॥ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥ Keertan Nirmolak Heera Aanand Gunnee Gaheera - The singing of Gurbani is such a Priceless Jewel. It's an Ocean of Bliss and Virtue ... Share and join in, with the BLISSFUL, soul-stirring and BLESSED singing of Keertan. Gain and experience Love through Guru Sahib Words, by not only listening, but singing along together. Taking place at Guru Nanak Gurdwara, Prospect St, Huddersfield HD1 2NX. Saturday 26th Jan. 6.30pm to 12. Kindly forward to friends and family. VAHEGUROO ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖ਼ਾਲਸਾ॥ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥

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