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Anyone know of what Bhai amritpal Singhs schedule is in Punjab during March?

You make a great point. Nobody is going to mess with an economic giant consisting of over 1 billion people because some random, uneducated pendus who have no money, no organization and no power. Sikhs are very clueless. Just browsing SikhSangat is extremely depressing. I think there was a thread a long time ago where people were speculating on the worldwide Sikh population, and everyone was just pulling random crazy numbers out of their @sses (like over 100 million).

Sikhs will not be able to move forward and progress until we stop: 1. Attaching importance to silly things and 2. Living in the past (and even worse: living in a pretend fairy tale version of the past) The Koh-i-noor diamond is not some sort of special symbol of Sikh sovereignty. It has just been a status symbol for various rulers over time. The Sikh obsession with it is corny and pathetic on multiple levels. It's like caring about random material possessions of some rich person just because that rich person comes from the same background as you. Also, Sikhs crying about the British taking it is silly considering that Ranjit Singh took it from someone. What is the appropriate amount of time to go back to determine the "rightful" owner of anything?

Why does it matter that you aren't the only one who engages in sentimental revisionism about Ranjit Singh's kingdom? Does the fact that, in addition to you, a large proportion (probably a majority) of our people are misguided and misinformed somehow make it less cringe-worthy? Regarding why Sikhs remember Maharaja Ranjit Singh and not the other various Sikh rajas, there are two reasons: 1. Ranjit Singh had a much larger kingdom but, moreover: 2. 95% of today's Sikhs (including Malwai) probably are unaware of the existence of the other rajas in any case We are sadly one of the most clueless and ill-informed groups of people on the planet. I bet you more than 95% of Sikhs who have heard of Ranjit Singh also believe that his empire included all of modern Indian Punjab.

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It will just amplify the 5 chors.

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It might be, but you do admit that I'm not the only one who does so, right? Even Sikhs who currently reside outside the Lahore Kingdom's borders (i.e., west of Satluj) look back to Maharaja Ranjit Singh fondly. Few look fondly to the Patiala or other kingdoms. Instead of being puzzled, I'd ask you to probe the reasons. Why indeed do Sikhs remember Maharaja Ranjit Singh and not any of a half dozen other Sikh rajas?

You make good points, but none of them invalidate the reasons I gave that it's not just "a bunch of rocks".

Totally not taken as personal. We're just discussing pathways for the Panth. There are two ways to gain what you want: having power yourself, or being useful to someone who has power. Since we don't have #1, the remaining option is #2. It's basically like the "Iraqi National Congress" hanging out in Western countries until such time as a great power needs them. I can't promise this is the path forward. But it's one approach. I'd be interested in hearing your approach(es).

What planet are you on bro? We wasted decade upon decade going to Human Rights groups, UN, various governments, countless marches - haven't you learned that these things are useless yet? Jews are white too, and we should all know (by now!) how deeply rooted white supremacist racism plays a central part in western european politics. You seriously think any org would push for sanctions against India? And that too, for our mostly pendu, minor economical status community. I don't think so. When people post things like you have above, it makes me wonder just how politically clueless apnay are - even after all this time. Sorry, it's not a personal attack but I'm just exasperated by it at this point.

Sikhs need to stop looking back at Ranjit Singh's empire and making it out to be something that it wasn't. As for "sovereignty," Ranjit Singh's empire began when he robbed other Sikh misaldars of their sovereignty. Was that fighting something that was happening according to Khalsa principals? Or was it just another instance of rulers fighting over land and power (which has been happening since the beginning of time)? Did Ranjit Singh's empire have a significant impact on the preservation and spread of Sikhi? It doesn't seem like it. In more detail: roughly half the "long term" Sikh population of the time lived outside the borders of Ranjit Singh's empire. Was there a dramatic difference between the preservation and spread of Sikhi, development of Sikh institutions, free practice of Sikhi etc. within Ranjit Singh's empire vs. outside of Ranjit Singh's empire? It doesn't seem like it. It is puzzling why people portray Ranjit Singh's empire as having been so important to the Sikh cause. This portrayal does not seem to be grounded in facts, but rather sentimental revisionism.

Bro, you're totally right as far as "a bunch of rocks". But it's what they represent which is the issue. The Sikhs took the Peacock throne from Delhi. Sure, "who cares about some yellow metal". But it represents sovereignty. "Khalsa Badshah" Guru Hargobind ji fought a war for some hawks. Sure, "just a bunch of birds". But they represented the sovereignty of the Sikhs. These are the crown jewels of the Sarkar-e-Khalsa. (I don't see that India has a claim on them.)

Who gives a <banned word filter activated> about a bunch of rocks.

You're right, it's not, because Sikhs aren't that smart. The white man is, however. The white man uses scribblings on pieces of paper to gain power. Such as: This 500-year-old Catholic decree encouraged colonization. Will the pope revoke it? The papal Doctrine of Discovery was used to justify colonization in the name of Christianity—and eventually became embedded in U.S and international law. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/doctrine-of-discovery-how-the-centuries-old-catholic-decree-encouraged-colonization You don't need to fight a bloody war and get your family members rap ed and killed. You get international institutions to declare countries occupying Sarkar-e-Khalsa lands to be in violation, and then make it difficult for them to access the international financial system (IMF, World Bank, SWIFT, etc). The Jews got the British to "give" them land in the Balfour Declaration much prior to them actually getting physical custody of the land of Israel.

when modern Singhs try to promote gatka as an ancient shastarvidiya martial art!

At the end of each astpadi itsays how to be forgiven. Usually it says if a sant forgives you, you will be forgiven. So try to find a sant. Do ardaas to find a sant. If you can't find one, bhai pinderpal singh said you can choose one of the historical ones. He chose sant ishar singh ji rara sahib wale. Then you read about their jeevan and try to think about them and try to learn lessons from their life. Basically revolve your life around the sant. So that you should dream about them. And then if you ask them for help, they will help. Also satguru is all powerful. So try to do chalisa at amrit vela, sukhmani sahib paath. It should help. Visit baba deep singh gurudwara

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What about the country you reside in?

This is a piece from conversation between Birla Seth and Baba Nand Singh Nanaksar Wale. Basically says have faith in Satguru and do Naam Jaap and live according to Satgurus teachings and the previous Janam Karam will change.

WJKK WJKF I'm in the same boat as you. My sleep and diet is poor. I'm educated such as yourself but struggle to keep a real job. Never had a real relationship with the opposite gender. Can't say much about past life but I do catch myself slandering. Going for walks and reflecting on yourself helps. Listening to shabad gurbani while walking is another way of clearing your mind. Also never talk ill of someone with somebody else this is probably the first step to move ahead. This is probably something we have to figure out ourselves. WJKK WJKF

Waheguru Recently i was listening to this debate by Baba Hari Singh Ji Randhewale. The person on the right says that the maryada at Darbar Sahib is not the same as it use to be during Guru Sahibs time, he claims it has been changed and it is more in line with hindu vaad then Gurmat. Then Baba Hari Singh Ji mentions that Bhai Mani Singh Ji Saheed wrote a granth about the maryada at Darbar Sahib but Baba Ji doesnt want to tell where the pothi is so no one steals it. I know alot of people know Baba Hari Singh Ji or someone who does, is there a way we can get more information to see if it will be published. forward to 5 min 44 sec

Bump - would love for this granth to be available to ensure the proper maryada

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/rare-books-on-sikhism-punjab-emerge-in-london-sale/story-It445bHhVoPN2bUC7Qi2dM.html June 24 2020 A London-based rare books dealer on Wednesday launched a collection of rare books, original manuscripts and artwork on India that includes several first editions of work on Sikhs, Sikhism and Punjab dating from early eighteenth century. The 40-item collection from dealer Peter Harrington includes the first translation of the Adi Granth into English and several travel narratives set in the kingdom of Ranjit Singh, and military handbooks dedicated to Sikh customs – hailed in them as ‘the bravest and steadiest of soldiers’. Others offering glimpses of life in India under British rule include a book by Captain Lakshmi, who was appointed by Subhash Chandra Bose as commander of the Rani of Jhansi Regiment in the Indian national Army, and three elusive monographs on the ruling families of Punjab, written or inspired by Lepel H. Griffin, a colourful official in nineteenth century British India. Glen Mitchell, senior book specialist at Europe’s largest anquarian book dealer, said: “We have seen an increased interest in the last 20 years from collectors of works from the Indian sub-continent, and the demand for 19th and early 20th century British accounts of this fascinating period in colonial history continues to attract a core group of collectors based both in the region and diaspora in the UK and beyond.” Topics that remain enduringly collectable include those focused on military exploits, colonial exploration, seminal religious texts, ethnographical, geographical, botanical and zoological accounts, and of course administrative, historical and political works,” he added. Highlights of the collection include an eyewitness account of Ranjit Singh’s kingdom written by Shahamat Ali, the expedition leader’s Indian-born munshi and inscribed by him to the earl of Shaftesbury; The Life of Robert Lord Clive, Baron Plassey by Charles Caraccioli – the first biography of Clive, considered something of a character assassination by his enemies within the East India Company; and I.N.A. Defence. Subject People’s Right to Fight for Freedom – two contemporary publications of the address delivered by J. Bhulabhai Desai in defence of members of the INA on trial for treason. Pom Harrington, owner of Peter Harrington, said: “While we have curated selections on Asia in the past, this is our first dedicated catalogue on works from India”. The wealth of rich illustrations, lithographs, maps and coloured plates really lent themselves to creating an interactive and immersive digital-only catalogue that allows our clients to scroll through details and additional images of these fine works. Source Hindustan times

Here is a rare video of Sant Baba Waryam Singh Ji Ratwara Sahib describing how to do simran and the different stages

Waheguru When we do ardas 'pratham bhaguti simr ki' at gurdwara we 'matha tak' couple of times. Does anyone know when this tradition started of doing matha tak, was it during the Guru period or after. Also, the panth added more to the ardas in the early 1900s, how did they get everyone to matha tak after the dohra was read 'sab sikhan ko hukam hai gur manu granth'. Also is there any historical granth that tells how the ardas was performed during the Gurus time or after Waheguru

Waheguru From: http://dailysikhupdates.com/uk-sikhs-establish-first-ever-parcharak-school-for-sikhs/ Sangat ji, *New Parcharik School – by Basics of Sikhi* Starting from End June 2015-* In our search for parcharaks we found many people saying, “I would do parchar if I knew more about Sikhi”. Since not everyone is able to go to India to learn Sikhi, Basics of Sikhi is setting up a Parcharik School in the UK to train-up people who want to become parchariks. This will be a full-time 6 month course and we are hiring a full-time tutor to teach it. He is a native British Sikh who has spent many years learning in India from some of the best renowned traditional school. The school will be near Birmingham and its likely to be residential, ie students will be living at studying at the school for 6 months at a time. Students from America, Canada and Europe are welcome but majority of teaching will be in English or Punjabi. At the end of the training programme, given progress and ability to teach as well as willingness, there is likely to be a job offer for students to join Basics of Sikhi. Ideal Entry requirements • Amritdhari and Keeping Rehit • Enthusiasm for sikhi parchaar • Have taken opportunities to do parchaar • General life experience • Good familiarity of BoS content • Healthy, able to sit on the floor for long periods of time • Happy to prepare food, clean and maintain house • Charismatic, be able to engage with general public Desirable • To be able to read Gurmukhi • Speak basic Punjabi If you are interested or know anyone who is, please get them to apply with a CV and covering letter to info@everything13.org

Waheguru Breaking: Namdhari Leader Wants to Join Khalsa Panth(DSU News Bureau) 3 June 2015- Namdhari leader Thakur Dalip Singh and his followers arrived at Hassanpur, Punjab to visit Bapu Surat Singh Khalsa and to express his willingness to join Khalsa Panth. Bapu Ji was arrested by police and taken to the hospital for force feeding. Although, Thakur Dalip Singh couldn’t meet with Bapu Ji but he met with Sangarsh committee leaders and expressed unity for the cause. It is important to point out that not all Sikh groups under the Akal Takht have come in support of Bapu Surat Singh Khalsa nor have they visited him. Thakur Dalip Singh isn’t the head of the Namdhari community but an estimated 80% of Namdharis follow him. The important points towards unity were the following: 1) Namdhari Leader Thakur Dalip Singh has told his followers to use the word Guru while saying Guru Granth Sahib Ji as before his followers pronounced Aad Sri Granth Sahib. 2) They have agreed to use the Fateh greeting as before it wasn’t always used. 3) Majhbhi Sikhs have been given equal rights as before they ate langar separately and were treated unequally, but now those Majhbhi Sikhs that are Naamdhari will be treated equally according to Thakur Dalip Singh. 4) Thakur Dalip Singh has pledged to support Khalsa Raj and a separate Khalsa State. 5) Thakur Dalip Singh has organized a program in the past where Panthic groups were present. In that program, the theme was for unity of various Sikh groups for a common cause. Also, in that program the Dohara ‘Agia Bhaei Akal Ki’ was read and names of only the ten Sikh Gurus were said which has never happened before among the Naamdharis. Thakur Dalip Singh further pledged to join the Khalsa Panth and to follow it’s Rehats. The historic meeting for unity is being recognized as a turning point to achieve long avoided goals of the Panth. taken from: http://dailysikhupdates.com/breaking-namdhari-leader-wants-to-join-khalsa-panth/

Waheguru I wanted to know why there isnt a really harsh law against anyone who does beadbi of Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in punjab since its a majority sikh state? Can we start a petition to do this. I think we can really make this happen.

Wahguru I have seen some maps with parts of pakistan,rajastan and haryana in khalistan. Sikhs dont even form 5% of the poplution of those areas how will they just give up land, we cant fight them.

Waheguru This is a great documentary on nihang singh, it seems to be a old one because all the jathedars look younger.

Waheguru Can someone please answer some of these questions? 1 if khalistan is created what will happen to all the Gurdwaras that will be left outside of khalistan in india, will they be abandened like the ones in pakistan, because the hindus will kick out all the sikhs because they will say now you have your own country go there. 2 Right now we can do parchar all over india easily, if khalistan is created how will we spread sikhi in india? sikhs living outside of khalistan in india will be hated and the parcher will not go on. 3 right now punjab is 60% sikh. Namdharis radhaswami and other dera also claim to be sikh and they also are part of the 60% so that means sikhs who believe in the ten gurus are way less because namdharis and other groups who claim to be sikh are not sikh. Will they support khalistan. 4 If khalistan is created what would the stand be on missionaries converting people, will they have free range to do so.

Waheguru Some good news From: DailySikhupdates.com SGPC Says It Encouraged 14,000 Sikh Youth to Come Back to SikhiDaily Sikh Updates 15 May, 2015 at 00:20 During December of 214 The SGPC launched a program called ‘Sikhi Saroop Mera Asli Roop’ in an effort to council Sikh youngsters to keep their kesh and to get them to follow teachings of Sikhi. The SGPC with 100 parcharaks went to various villages and over 1,000 schools across Punjab to identify Sikh youths who’ve cut their hair and to counsel and encourage them to come back to Sikhi. The SGPC’s Dharam Parchar Committee head Jagdev Singh was quoted in a newspaper saying, “We go to schools, identify Sikh students who have cut their hair, separate them for a lecture, and tell them that being Sikh will bring them more respect in society. We also pick two students, one with a turban and another without, and give a spot demo on how wearing a turban increases height and makes them more handsome. Students are also told that this is a way to stay healthy as going to the hairdresser can give them infectious diseases that spread through scissors.” The SGPC says they have received a commitment by 14,000 youth to “never go patit again”. Reportedly, the students will be honored during the celebrations of the 350th day of the founding of Sri Anandpur Sahib Ji. “The first phase of the drive is approaching the end. As many as 14,000 students signed the undertaking to grow their hair and follow the tenets of Sikhism. SGPC may soon start another leg of the drive,” said Balwinder Singh Jaura Singha, secretary of the Dharam Parchar Committee. The education department responded to the efforts of the SGPC, “This hasn’t come to my notice,” said District Education Officer (Secondary Education) Satinderbir Singh. “If SGPC is only asking Sikh students to start following the tenets of their religion, it is just a kind of moral education, but if the preachers are asking students of other religions to start following Sikhism, that is wrong. Ideally, however, such an exercise should not be held in schools. Schools are secular in nature.”

Waheguru Here is a video that will help you to find God. This video shows from Gurbani how we meet God while we are alive. start it at 5 min 29 seconds How to find God https://youtu.be/J22Q0hkE02Q?t=5m29s This human body has been given to you. This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universe. Nothing else will work. Join the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy; vibrate and meditate on the Jewel of the Naam. ||1|| Make every effort to cross over this terrifying world-ocean. You are squandering this life uselessly in the love of Maya. ||1||Pause|| Ang 12

Waheguru Not sure if that book is by Bhai Mani Singh JI\ If you do a search of that book you can find some quotes online. The Giani below seems to be the one who was on a committee who wrote that book, check below Giani Parduman Singh Jump to: navigation, search Parduman Singh Giani, Bhai (d. 1877), principal Granthi or priest and manager of Sri Darbar Sahib at Amritsar, was the eldest of the four sons of Bhai Gurmukh Singh Giani (d. 1843), a man of learning and an influential courtier in Sikh times. He was the grandson of the celebrated scholar, Bhai Sant Singh Giani, who had himself been the custodian of Sri Darbar Sahib. Besides his inclination to letters which he had inherited, Parduman Singh started taking interest in princely pastimes such as playing chess and dice. He was barely 13 when he joined service under the Sikh sovereign. The family fell a prey to courtly intrigue after the death in 1843 of Maharaja Sher Singh. Hira Singh Dogra, who had gained power during the reign of the minor Maharaja Duleep Singh, had Bhai Gurmukh Singh seized and later assassinated, along with his two brothers. Parduman Singh and his surviving brother Arjan Singh were taken into custody, placed in chains and treated with the greatest severity. Both eventually managed to escape to Ludhiana where they sought asylum with the British. Hira Singh was killed in December 1844 and Sardar Jawahar Singh, regent to the young Maharaja Duleep Singh reinstated Parduman Singh Giani as the manager of Sri Darbar Sahib and his estates. A portion of the jagir amounting to 5,488 rupees and the family house, Burj Gianiari, at Amritsar, were also restored to him. Bhai Parduman Singh was especially entrusted with the development and beautification of the Harimandar Sahib and its surroundings. After the annexation of the Punjab in 1849, the British government appointed him superintendent of Sri Darbar Sahib and jagirs worth 4,000 rupees per annum released in perpetuity for the maintenance of the shrines. He accompanied Sardar Lahina Singh Majithia to Varanasi in 1853, but returned to Amritsar after the latter`s death the following year. He was a member of the committee thai drew up Dastur ul`Amal, i.e. administrative rules, for the Darbar Sahib in 1859. He was also a member of the Board of Honorary Magistrates of Amritsar. Bhai Parduman Singh died at Amritsar on 20 November 1877. References 1. Griffin, Lepel and C.F. Massy, Chiefs and Families of Note in the Punjab. LAHORE, 1909 2. Madanjit Kaur, The Golden Temple, Past and Present. Amritsar, 1983 3. Fauja Singh, The City of Amritsar. Delhi, 1978 4. Gian Singh, Giani, Twarikh Sri Amritsar. Amritsar, 1977 5. Kerr, lanJ., "The British and the Administration of the Golden Temple in 1859," Panjab Past and Present, vol XII.

its called Dastoor-e Amal Sri Darbar Sahib -- Likh-tum Giani Mani singh ji

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The Kohinoor is a bit like Golum's ring in Lord of the Rings. Getting it back to us going to create Gollum like behaviour, "My Precious!" Nothing good has ever come from that diamond.

This video provides a detail answer to your question.

Mind is overpowered by this world and doesn't want to do Simran. Gyani ji explains very practically how to overcome Maya to meet Waheguru.

Amazing answer and Gyan by this Gyani