Sant baba Ranjit Singh Dadrian wale

[kurtas]

Once again the old RSS trick comes out the bag. When all else fails start branding around the RSS tag.

As for all this Sant bashing talk and the Nindaa, are you supposed to praise "Sant" who pour Amrit into a well and claim the well now contains Amrit ? So the "Sant" dismisses the institution of Panj Piare yet anyone says anything, it is Nindaa. Similalry a "Sant" is involved in a vulgar incident on a plane. Hey we better not say anything its Nindaa.

To the person who made claims about the Pakistan Yatra. There is actually very little money to be made. After air tickets, coache hire, food etc in Pak you barely make a few hundred pound "profit" per coach which if you factor in that you have paid for your own air tickets is turned into a profit of less than £100. Again if you factor in the food etc you buy when travelling you barely break even.

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WKWF

Some how you act like you have seen the accounts for the tours organised by Punjab Radio, or you are a part of the Punjab Radio team, don’t worry we are not planning to take your business away.

I have told you before if you have no foundation for your argument tell some one who cares as from reading before you have no support and you have no one who agrees with you, and you have lost my attention too.

Fateh.

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I TOTALLY AGREE - ITS BEST TO IGNORE THESE KIND OF PEOPLE WITH NO SUPPORT!!!

Panjab Radio is Anti-Panthic and anyone who supports it is too OR MAY ACTUALLY BE PART OF THE TEAM ESPECIALLY IF THEY KNOW SOO MUCH ABOUT THE FINANCES OF SUCH AN ORGANISATION!!! - thats my opinion anyway!!!

A radio station that just does nindya of people who are trying and successful in bringing Sikhs to the Khalsa Panth by intiating them with Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Amrit can't under no circumstances be Panthic!!!

Therefore any supporter of such an organisation can also not be Panthic!!!

:doh: Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!! :|

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Come on Lord Singh show proof of the GOI licenses Panjab Radio have for broadcasting via Thaicom. Whats up ? Was this a lie ? People who make up fibs cannot be panthic. Funny how you ignored this issue after it was highlighted and now you have the nerve to decide who is panthic and who is not.

Good to see you have donned the mantle of almighty Lord Singh and are capable of setting benchmarks for who is and who is not panthic. Guess what Lord Singh most the "Sant" have Punjab Police gunmen to handle their security. I guess as Punjab Police were involved in killing and torturing Sikh youth this makes all those with GOI security anti Panthic.

Ups I guess you and Bir Rass better ignore this post as you cannot face debate.

[Tera]

Went to see baba ji last night as he was staying somewhere local to us.

It was a little tense in the sangat as there was a few committee members from a local gurdwara asking if baba ji would come but he rejected this idea as they had chairs. They were also a few singh there who always eat in pangat and have wanted the tables/chairs removed for a long time. This was a good line the committe member dropped 'the committee all agree to pick up the chairs but its the sangat who dont agree'.

Anyway, baba ji explained that it was a hukam from the akal takht, supreme court and cannot be disobeyed and that if the gurdwara will not listen to the hukam of sri akal takht then why would they listen to a sant who goes there. Guru Ji started the pangat and so who are we to use chairs as its 'modern', who are we to overide or change this tradation?

Main point - Pangat and Sangat :TH:

[kurtas]

Went to see baba ji last night as he was staying somewhere local to us.

It was a little tense in the sangat as there was a few committee members from a local gurdwara asking if baba ji would come but he rejected this idea as they had chairs. They were also a few singh there who always eat in pangat and have wanted the tables/chairs removed for a long time. This was a good line the committe member dropped 'the committee all agree to pick up the chairs but its the sangat who dont agree'.

Anyway, baba ji explained that it was a hukam from the akal takht, supreme court and cannot be disobeyed and that if the gurdwara will not listen to the hukam of sri akal takht then why would they listen to a sant who goes there. Guru Ji started the pangat and so who are we to use chairs as its 'modern', who are we to overide or change this tradation?

Main point - Pangat and Sangat  :TH:

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Good to hear about this.

[sikh_warrior]

read the attachment sangat ji

baba_ji.doc

[Bir_Rass]

I guess you and Bir Rass better ignore this post as you cannot face debate.

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Until you have a foundation for your argument please don’t try to debate with me.

[TheWorldOfGuruNanak.com]

:doh: Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!! :doh:

Panjab Radio and Ghuman are obviously not going to say anything good, only try to spread propaganda about Baba Ji!!! - The only reason the people collect money is for sewa so that people don't have to get up and disturb the atmosphere - its nothing to do with Baba Ji or the Gurdwara committees - they are just trying to help the sangat and I can guarentee they don't force you to give money - they are merely helping not to disturb the atmosphere and helping the sangat so they don't have to get up - although, no offence to them, they do disturb the atmosphere a little - and Baba Ji DOES TELL THEM TO STOP AS IF ANYONE WANTS TO GIVE MAYA, THEY CAN DO SO DURING THE ANAND SAHIB!!!

Panjab Radio haven't a clue about what they're on about and have no base for an argument - one day some Singhs are going to question them and they won't know what to say!!!

Listen to Baba Ji's diwaan - todays one in Leicester - Baba Ji is talking about this "Maya" issue - they have no intention about collecting money!!! - They are telling EVERYONE TO GIVE MONEY TO PLACES SUCH AS SHAHEED FAMILIES!!! - Now thats wicked parchaar!!! - Something everyone is forgetting in todays age!!! They are putting great emphasis into this - to give maya to poor families in India and Shaheed Families!!! They were very angry today in the leicester diwaan that people are labelling them as someone who asks for Maya (no doubt Baba Ji has also heard about Ghuman and his Panjab Radio) and say that he was considering why come here if people are saying this about him and all the sewa they are doing in India of Amrit Sanchaar may also go to waste because of the rumours being stirred here!!!

They have also emphasized the point about the "beadbi" that is happening towards Sahib Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in good detail - This is because someone has informed Baba Ji about this happening in England and the taking of Maharaj into Pubs and Clubs - So Baba Ji has told the sangat about it - If Baba Ji is told about something - they will without doubt take on the issue - but they have to be informed by someone in the first place!

In fact, Baba Ji was given three main hukams by Sant Baba Karam Singh Ji (Rara Sahib Wale) that if you want to preach and do kirtan successfully, you must:

1/ Never take off your "Chola"

2/ Do not get married

3/ NEVER ASK FOR MAYA (MONEY)

...and they have followed this until today and will continue to do so with Waheguru Ji's kirpa for the rest of their life!

IF YOU HAVE NOT LISTENED TO TODAYS DIWAAN 3RD JULY IN LEICESTER - PLEASE DO SOMEHOW BY BUYING THE CD OR SOMETHING OR SOMEONE TAKE THE SEWA TO UPLOAD AT LEAST THE END OF IT AS BABA JI HAS CLEARLY EXPLAINED THIS "MAYA" ISSUE AND ABOUT THE "BEADBI" OF MAHARAJ THAT IS STARTING TO HAPPEN IN TODAYS WORLD!!! - A BEAUTIFUL DIWAAN!!!

Baba Ji don't even like to show off in anyway whatsoever, a premi sewadaar wanted to put up banners just simply saying "Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji Dhadrian Wale" on the New Range Rover they are mostly using to travel around the country, so that when Baba Ji comes to the Gurdwara, it is easier to tell which car Baba Ji is in so that parking is easier and Baba Ji can enter the Darbaar Sahib quicker for the diwaan to start on time, but Baba Ji said to not to do so as people may think he has got them put up himself!!!

It is not Baba Ji that tells the sangat to do Jaikare when they enter the darbaar hall or people to touch their feet or for them to travel in Range Rovers and other big cars - It is simply the Sangat's prem and pyaar for the Gurbani that Sant Baba Ranjit Singh Ji is preaching to the masses - AND FOR THIS GHUMAN & PANJAB RADIO AND OTHER "SANT BASHERS" HAVE NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE IN AS IT IS THE SADH SANGAT - NOT BABA JI!!!

The sewadaars time and time again, along with Baba Ji himself tell the sangat to greet him with "Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh" and not to touch his feet. If you go to their headquarters in Patiala, there are about 4 or 5 Singhs outside where Baba Ji sits to tell the sangat to greet with WJKKhalsa WJKFateh and not to touch Baba Ji's feet! But its the Sangats pyaar and Baba Ji has nothing to do with this, therefore Ghuman, Panjab Radio and the rest have no right to pick faults from Baba Ji!!!

Ghuman and Panjab Radio need to be stopped now - Please take part in phoning them or emailing to stop this nonsense and spreading of propaganda to split the Panth!!! - Also phone or email Amritbani and Raaj Radio to say thankyou for their sewa.

The same nindya was started about Baba Maan Singh in the early stages with rumours being stirred, which in time turned into false allegations - although the Sant is still in Chardi Kalaa today with Waheguru Ji's kirpa - LET THIS NEVER HAPPEN TO SANT BABA RANJIT SINGH JI DHADRIAN WALE - IT MUST BE STOPPED NOW!!!!!

BOLEEEEE SOHNIHALL SAT SRI AKAL,,,

Absolutley excellent post thanks for your views on Sant Baba Mann Singh Ji Pehowa Wale.

May Guru Ji keep thier blessing upon such great Gursikhs.

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa.

:doh: Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!!! :doh:

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[kurtas]

I guess you and Bir Rass better ignore this post as you cannot face debate.

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Until you have a foundation for your argument please don’t try to debate with me.

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Well well, does that mean you will not debate with Lord Singh either as he has failed to provide any proof that Panjab Radio was given licenses to broadcast in India. Whereas the truth is that they broadcast via satellite which is based in Thailand so has nothing to do with India OR are you selective so you debate with others who make false allegations.

"any one who discredits Sant Ranjit Singh for this, is anti Sikh as much as RSS and any one who supports Punjab Radio is anti Sikh too."

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Go on show me the foundations for this RSS rubbish.

[singhmota]

PaNJAB RADIO On Ofcom Register

2003-12-19: The latest and last Complaints Bulletin that will come from the UK Radio Authority before it hands over to the new Ofcom regulator shows that the Authority considered and upheld in the two months to the end of November a slightly greater number of programming complaints but fewer advertising complaints than it did a year earlier in the full third quarter. Complaints received in December will be passed on to Ofcom.

The Authority's rulings include

Upheld was a complaint against satellite service Panjab Radio over an opinion on the Sikh's evening prayer. The complainant said the presenter said everyone "should do a version advocated by himself. Anyone who did not was wrong."

"He further," said the complainant, "went on to insult 'Mahapurkh' (people who have reached a high state of spirituality). It was apparent that he classed these individuals as frauds and blamed them for distorting Sikhism, when in fact it is him who is distorting the truth since there is intense debate about the length of the evening prayer …There are very few within the Sikh nation who actually read the shortened version of the evening prayer he was advocating."

The Authority said that while the presenter obviously saw his view as the correct one there was no justification for public condemnation of the beliefs of those that had another viewpoint. It recommended that Ofcom keep the matter on file and warned the station that failure to observe Code Rules in future might result in regulatory penalties.

[singhmota]

Ghuman added that Panjab Radio could now be heard in India as well through the Direct-To-Home provision of All India Radio

kurtas Please tell me what is all india radio and who owns it.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050206/cth2.htm

[Bir_Rass]

Well well, does that mean you will not debate with Lord Singh either as he has failed to provide any proof that Panjab Radio was given licenses to broadcast in India. Whereas the truth is that they broadcast via satellite which is based in Thailand so has nothing to do with India  OR are you selective so you debate with others who make false allegations.

"any one who discredits Sant Ranjit Singh for this, is anti Sikh as much as RSS and any one who supports Punjab Radio is anti Sikh too."

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.  Go on show me the foundations for this RSS rubbish.

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You show your support for some one who discredits a Sikh for preaching, its quite clear you yourself are some way connected to Punjab Radio, as you stand by them so much. India would obviously give conditions to any radio channel in connection to what they can broadcast on the radio channels across the Indian subcontinent, and the Indian radio broadcast authority would not allow Punjab radio to discuss matters in support of Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwala, or any other subject in relation to the Sikh movement, so unless Punjab radio is on a pirate channel across India, which it is not, surely this provides the evidence that Punjab Radio is silenced by the Indian authorities and if Punjab radio can be silenced on matters which relate to our panth then this gives evidence that Punjab radio is not for the panth but against it.

Dogs can be silenced if needed, Dogs can be made to bark if needed too.

Fateh.