Giani @ Gurdwara Singh Sabha In Southall

[Guest singhni 4 life]

Sory admin ji!

She used to go every evening to the gurdwra to do keertan. She felt uncomfortable with him and his subtle comments towards her but forgave him and became his mate.. exchanged numbers etc.

He started to phone her saying disgusting things like "i wonder how it would be like to hav s*x with you" etc.. And whenever she hung up on him/didnt answer the fone he would get emotional and persuade her.. if not blackmail her.

They started meeting up (shes too naive) and then once he met her on the excuse of learning english but he came onto her.. yet she kept forgiving him!?! This is the part that fills me with anger.

*sighs*

I was stopped when I went to beat the cr*p outa him. Instead, the ones who knew told the committee and they were dodgy themselves. What they did, they transfered him to Southall, and announced it on stage that the giani had a "chakar" with a kirtani. Funily enough theres only 3 kirtanis!!!

Now everyone blames her for corrupting him and so many rumours like they were caught by their mother "doing stuff".

her life is jacked up now.. becuase sahe kept it on the low for over a YEAR! I only found out when i Hacked her email.

Dont be afraid.. let someone know asap!

funny how everyone just starts 2 gunn down the giani's...have u ever seen what type of girl was behind? I mean

1stly giving a number out 2 a giani, what were u thinkin? If tha man sed dirty things, how can u becom mates with that person? If he's sed it 1nce whats stopping him from sayin it again?

2ndly say you did give the number out you received calls with the giani saying dirty things, why couldnt you just end it there, say look yeh I had given you one chance you didnt sort yourself out so its over. Then change your sim of your phone, its not that hard. Nowadays go on to www.o2.co.uk and u can get up 4 free o2 simz...not hard is it?

3rdly Blackmailing????????? How can a giani backmail you, if you didnt do anything. What would he went and said, if you knew you were in the right all you had to say was Waheguru Ji knows the truth and as long as THEY know the truth nothing is above them.

4thly If you go and tell the society a year later its obvious that questions would start 2 arisen. What was wrong in telling your parents before during the phone call situation, and say, look yeh mum & dad, this giani @ the guru ghar isnt getting off my back, i said nothing to him but can you sort him out, im sure your parents would have supported you at the time.

I hate to say it but majority of the time, the girls get themselves in troublle, whether they're suppose 2 get in trouble, because they were wrong or whether they didnt have nothing to do with it at all however still get in the wrong.

maafi jio if the words hurt, but to some extent they are true.

Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

:TH: sum points wer well said, but then agen not all girls are @ fault, there are some corrupted Gianis out there 2. But yea I wudn giv out ma numba randomly 2 a guy hu was a litl cheezzy. I wudn hav cared how emotional he got. :D

[fists_of_fury]

I have pm-ed you sukhsimran, tell me if it gets through.

[Sukhsimran_Kaur]

I have pm-ed you sukhsimran, tell me if it gets through.

yes the PM got through, Thanks

Sory admin ji!

She used to go every evening to the gurdwra to do keertan. She felt uncomfortable with him and his subtle comments towards her but forgave him and became his mate.. exchanged numbers etc.

He started to phone her saying disgusting things like "i wonder how it would be like to hav s*x with you" etc.. And whenever she hung up on him/didnt answer the fone he would get emotional and persuade her.. if not blackmail her.

They started meeting up (shes too naive) and then once he met her on the excuse of learning english but he came onto her.. yet she kept forgiving him!?! This is the part that fills me with anger.

*sighs*

I was stopped when I went to beat the cr*p outa him. Instead, the ones who knew told the committee and they were dodgy themselves. What they did, they transfered him to Southall, and announced it on stage that the giani had a "chakar" with a kirtani. Funily enough theres only 3 kirtanis!!!

Now everyone blames her for corrupting him and so many rumours like they were caught by their mother "doing stuff".

her life is jacked up now.. becuase sahe kept it on the low for over a YEAR! I only found out when i Hacked her email.

Dont be afraid.. let someone know asap!

funny how everyone just starts 2 gunn down the giani's...have u ever seen what type of girl was behind? I mean

1stly giving a number out 2 a giani, what were u thinkin? If tha man sed dirty things, how can u becom mates with that person? If he's sed it 1nce whats stopping him from sayin it again?

2ndly say you did give the number out you received calls with the giani saying dirty things, why couldnt you just end it there, say look yeh I had given you one chance you didnt sort yourself out so its over. Then change your sim of your phone, its not that hard. Nowadays go on to www.o2.co.uk and u can get up 4 free o2 simz...not hard is it?

3rdly Blackmailing????????? How can a giani backmail you, if you didnt do anything. What would he went and said, if you knew you were in the right all you had to say was Waheguru Ji knows the truth and as long as THEY know the truth nothing is above them.

4thly If you go and tell the society a year later its obvious that questions would start 2 arisen. What was wrong in telling your parents before during the phone call situation, and say, look yeh mum & dad, this giani @ the guru ghar isnt getting off my back, i said nothing to him but can you sort him out, im sure your parents would have supported you at the time.

I hate to say it but majority of the time, the girls get themselves in troublle, whether they're suppose 2 get in trouble, because they were wrong or whether they didnt have nothing to do with it at all however still get in the wrong.

maafi jio if the words hurt, but to some extent they are true.

Akaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaal

fair place comments but it is really hard to tell someone, becase you dont know if you can trust them.

the giani asked my mate for my number, not that she gave it to him obviously but he hasnt said anything to me on my face, but I dont like his attitude and the way he stares...its not right. Its not always the girls fault, I wudn hav sed i've done somthing bad thats made him do that.

I'm just a normal girl who goes to find peace @ Guru Ghar where I can sit down and try to solve my problems.

[Charan Singh]

Dear admin why hasnt this thread been shut down like the Sikh Student Camp one its about the same thing

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry182263

[Guest _SINGH SOORMA_]

Dear admin why hasnt this thread been shut down like the Sikh Student Camp one its about the same thing

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry182263

nah why shoud it be shut down? Over here a penji's in crisis and over the top you saying it shoud be shut down

[Revolutionary]

Dear admin why hasnt this thread been shut down like the Sikh Student Camp one its about the same thing

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry182263

Dear user,

please read this thread before commenting.

[singh_sandhu]

Dear admin why hasnt this thread been shut down like the Sikh Student Camp one its about the same thing

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...mp;#entry182263

Dear user,

please read this thread before commenting.

lol (Clap) well said :TH: charan singh paji the topik u on about is regarding sikhi camps, this topik is about a penji wjos concerned

[Pheena]

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=18543&hl=

I sent an email to United Sikhs in hopes that they can provide a greater support for these Kaurs who have been victimized by these so called Gianees. But I need their help answering few questions that they asked.

I have modified their questions so they are more direct to those specific individual.

_-----------------------------------------------------------_

If I may request some information from you, as this

information is not generally displayed in the posts:

1) Where are these specific Gurudwaras that these

incidents are occuring. If not, would you be able to

provide the provinces/states and countries that this

is occuring in?

2) Do you know of someone else who has been a victimized by the same Gianee at the same Gurudwara?

3) What have you done in response to this problem

aka. reporting to the police, telling parents, etc.

4) Have you ever met success with approaching

any people/organizations/committees which have

assisted in the situation?

Please Please it is now that you must step forward and Help make some change. We need your Help to stop this from happening again and again to our fellow sisters.

If you do not wish give the info here for everyone to see, then Please email me at Gurinderjit82@hotmail.com ( which I suggest you do )

If you know someone who has been victimized then please respond and email me the Answers above to the questions they have asked, so i can provide a more thorough response and they can have a better idea of what they must do from there.

Here are the emails in their entirety:

Sat Sri Akal

My beloved Gursikhs, I have an urgent request that requires direction and assistant and I hope you are able to provide it. I am not completely sure as to what this organization's exact purpose, but i hope you can point me in the right direction.

I’m a frequent visitor and poster (Pheena) on the SikhSangat.net discussion forum and over the last 3-4 months there have been increasingly number of posts that consist of a rather disturbing nature. In the links below, these Kaurs have brought up something which is a serious problem within the Sikh Community. They have been molested and/or harrased by their local Gianis. I'm not sure if that word should even be used to call them. I only bring this to your attention hoping that you have enough resources to tackle such sickening crimes that have been committed. All I hope for is that you are able to provide a channel for these young women where they can call for help and guidance from a Law standpoint and possibly how to go about the importance of standing against such crimes. If such a connection is already in place then by all means direct me towards it. Perhaps even a webpage on how to deal with such things. I by no means am trying to impose that you guys do all the work, but I am in need of direction. Whatever assistance I can offer I will.

In all of these posts these innocent girls have expressed similar fear of community backlash as these so called Gianis are very much respected in the communities.

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showtopic=18499

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...8&hl=Gianis

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?showto...2&hl=gianis

These are just the recent examples and I'm sure there exist further cases where the victim has not come forward. Some might consider this a non-issue as not very many open cases exist. But I cannot help but think that it is the Indian mentality of brushing aside such heinous crimes for the sake of disrespect brought to the family from those who blindly follow such sick individuals. I see this something that must be brought forward to the whole Sikh Community.

If for some reason you are unable to provide some assistance then please I am open to any kind of suggestion as to where to start and who to contact.

Eagerly awaiting your reply.

Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji ke Fateh.

Gurinderjit Singh

THEIR RESPONSE

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

Sorry for the delayed response Gurinderjit Singh

Sahib. My name is Manvinder Singh and I am a

representative of UNITED SIKHS.

If I may request some information from you, as this

information is not generally displayed in the posts:

1) If you know the specific Gurudwaras that these

incidents are occuring. If not, would you be able to

provide the provinces/states and countries that this

is occuring in?

2) Are the majority of these problems centered in a

certain Gurudwara or Gurudwaras, or is the problem

being reported in a broad geography.

3) What has been done in response to the problems

aka. reporting to the police, telling parents, etc.

4) Have the Kaurs ever met success with approaching

any people/organizations/committees which have

assisted in the situation?

In the meanwhile, I will try to see what resources

exist within the community to deal with this

intolerable issue.

Manvinder Singh

UNITED SIKHS

**MODs/Admin Can i get a Global Sticky please? **

[Guest Prabhdeep Kaur]

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh

Sangat Ji, I'm a regular attender 2 the Gurdwara Sahib, Singh Sabha southall, (the new Gurdwara). I enjoy going to the Gurdwara alot and love to sit there for @ least an hour and find peace, however for the past couple of days I'm not really being able to pay attention 2 my meditation @ the Gurdwara because ther is this new Gyani, he's been in the Gurdwara for a couple of months now, quite young, and I dont like the way he acts, I'm finding it uncomfortable now. I dont know what to do, because at first I thought its just be being stupid, he has a limp and thought he cant be one of "those" people who are Guru Ji's on one side but doing something else on the other. So I didnt want to hurt him either, before he thought that im sympathising because of his limp.

I dont like the way he gives out Guru Ji's Parshaad to any young Bibyaan and I dont like the way he stares either. And on previous occasions he has asked this girl to ask me my mobile number. I seriously dont know what to do.

please HELP Sangat Ji !

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I think i know who your going on about. I've seen him too. I even said once that Paji while your giving Parshaad you shouldnt touch other sangat, you need to keep sucheh hath while serving and you dont know who who thehands have been touching before. He got all funny with me, lol, but oh well i told him the truth and WHAT? He' got this cheeky skanky smile.

Penji I dont know why your frightened off him, give im 1 slap and he'll land on the other end, he'l forget who the hell he is. He isnt strong as you think. Waheguru Ji's alredy punished him by taking away 1 leg of his, another 1 will be on the way if he keeps his act up like that. Penji keep attending Gurdwara regularly, if you stop, the THING will get an idea that your frightened of him, DONT GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO THINK THAT. If your Amrit Dhari & devoted to Guru Ji then be a true Singhni, have no fear and face show your face up to Gurdwara Saab and if he starts to act all unusual tell him staright infront of Sangat. It will work. Trust Me, If i can do it then nothing will stop you from doing it

HAVE FAITH IN WAHEGURU JI

KEEP YOUR FAITH UP

BE A SINGHNI / A TRUE GURSIKH

FACE THE GIT

MAKE SURE YOU STILL ATTEND GURDWARA SAAB AS U USUALLY DO

AND THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE TOUCHES ANY PENJI THEN HE BE NOT ONLY FACING A GIRL BUT HE BE MAKING THE PREY OF A LIONNESSS

Feel free to speak to me if u wish, I'm usually @ Singh Sabha gurdwara saab in Southall, you need help your free to ask 4 it

GUR KIRPAAA

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

[Guest Guest]

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh

Sangat Ji, I'm a regular attender 2 the Gurdwara Sahib, Singh Sabha southall, (the new Gurdwara). I enjoy going to the Gurdwara alot and love to sit there for @ least an hour and find peace, however for the past couple of days I'm not really being able to pay attention 2 my meditation @ the Gurdwara because ther is this new Gyani, he's been in the Gurdwara for a couple of months now, quite young, and I dont like the way he acts, I'm finding it uncomfortable now. I dont know what to do, because at first I thought its just be being stupid, he has a limp and thought he cant be one of "those" people who are Guru Ji's on one side but doing something else on the other. So I didnt want to hurt him either, before he thought that im sympathising because of his limp.

I dont like the way he gives out Guru Ji's Parshaad to any young Bibyaan and I dont like the way he stares either. And on previous occasions he has asked this girl to ask me my mobile number. I seriously dont know what to do.

please HELP Sangat Ji !

waheguru ji ka khalsa, waheguru ji ki fateh

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

I think i know who your going on about. I've seen him too. I even said once that Paji while your giving Parshaad you shouldnt touch other sangat, you need to keep sucheh hath while serving and you dont know who who thehands have been touching before. He got all funny with me, lol, but oh well i told him the truth and WHAT? He' got this cheeky skanky smile.

Penji I dont know why your frightened off him, give im 1 slap and he'll land on the other end, he'l forget who the hell he is. He isnt strong as you think. Waheguru Ji's alredy punished him by taking away 1 leg of his, another 1 will be on the way if he keeps his act up like that. Penji keep attending Gurdwara regularly, if you stop, the THING will get an idea that your frightened of him, DONT GIVE HIM A CHANCE TO THINK THAT. If your Amrit Dhari & devoted to Guru Ji then be a true Singhni, have no fear and face show your face up to Gurdwara Saab and if he starts to act all unusual tell him staright infront of Sangat. It will work. Trust Me, If i can do it then nothing will stop you from doing it

HAVE FAITH IN WAHEGURU JI

KEEP YOUR FAITH UP

BE A SINGHNI / A TRUE GURSIKH

FACE THE GIT

MAKE SURE YOU STILL ATTEND GURDWARA SAAB AS U USUALLY DO

AND THAT HE KNOWS THAT HE TOUCHES ANY PENJI THEN HE BE NOT ONLY FACING A GIRL BUT HE BE MAKING THE PREY OF A LIONNESSS

Feel free to speak to me if u wish, I'm usually @ Singh Sabha gurdwara saab in Southall, you need help your free to ask 4 it

GUR KIRPAAA

VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

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