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Vaheguroo ji ka khalsa Vaheguroo ji ki fateh!

Sangat ji, I attended a sikh society discussion a few days ago and was very shocked to hear that most students really question guruji so much, and sikhi in general, so i proposed that next week I would lead a discussion on the possible flaws in sikhi, so they can get whatever they have a problem with off their chest.

Basically, could the sangat give me an idea of what kind of flaws students may come up with or actual flaws that some other sangat think that there actually are within sikhi. i can't think of anything they would have a problem with, but i know they'l come up with loads.

thanks

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-Sikhism, is just the same as Hindhuism.

-Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not have any details of how the universe was created, ie Adam and Eve story

-Where does it say hair is so imprtant

-There are contradictions about whether or not meat is ok or not.

These are the usual ones people question me about it, but after they are told the truth they are left suprised and shocked about how great Sikhi really is.

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Heres some stupid one's thrown bout where i live:

- If we can't cut our hair, then how come Guruji allows us to cut our nails?

- If Waheguru didnt want us to drink alcohol, meat, take drugs etc WHY did he crreate them in the world?

- If we are ALL supposed to be one, then why does Sikhism oppose marrying someone from another faith?

thats only a couple - people act stupid janke!! :)

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Good! It's good that they are questioning things it gives you an opportunity to show them the goodness of Sikhi! And shows that they are true Sikhs ie: students, disciples.

-Sikhism, is just the same as Hindhuism.
Emphasise that Hinduism is a religion we respect but that the panth is different in many ways.
-Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not have any details of how the universe was created, ie Adam and Eve story

Well, this is a Christian/Islamic need. The philosophy of Sikhi so deep and complex. Teach them about it.

-Where does it say hair is so imprtant
Simple to explain to them why --- and why they can still be a Sikh as they walk the path towards kesh gradually.
-There are contradictions about whether or not meat is ok or not.

Contradictions? Sikhi is big enough to contain different practices on certain issues. This is a STRENGTH of Sikhi, not a weakness.

Guru Fateh

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would help if people can also answer these questions and keep it as a sticky on the message board for further reference when someone is asked about such questions :-)

one question i'm often asked why are their so many jathas and thus people begin to think their are different amrit to

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This is a very very good thread! Here are some that a thrown at me...that to be honest some have me baffled!

- Why did Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Guru Hargobind Ji have Numerous wives?

- If the Guru's didnt beleive in Caste system, how come they always married within thier own Caste?

- Where does it say there are ment to be 10 Guru's?

- Where are the 5 Kakkars outlined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

- How Much of the Rehit is from the teachings of the Guru's?

I'll add more...lemme ask em! :)

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sorry to keep going on about this, but I have attempted - in my lowly way - to answer some of these questions on

www.info-sikh.com so please take a look, ta very glad !

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This is a very very good thread! Here are some that a thrown at me...that to be honest some have me baffled!

- Why did Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Guru Hargobind Ji have Numerous wives?

- If the Guru's didnt beleive in Caste system, how come they always married within thier own Caste?

- Where does it say there are ment to be 10 Guru's?

- Where are the 5 Kakkars outlined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

- How Much of the Rehit is from the teachings of the Guru's?

I'll add more...lemme ask em! :)

1) Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 2 wives Mata jeet kaur (mata sundari ji) and mata Sahib Kaur ji.

Mata sahib kaur ji stayed avirgin all her life and is considered the mother of the Khalsa

2) where does it say that?

3) where does it say otherwise? plus there was never more than one Guru at one time holding the status of Guru.

4) they are not but they are mentioned in Guru Gobind Singh jis 52 hukams.

5) all of it.

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This is a very very good thread! Here are some that a thrown at me...that to be honest some have me baffled!

- Why did Guru Gobind Singh Ji and Guru Hargobind Ji have Numerous wives?

- If the Guru's didnt beleive in Caste system, how come they always married within thier own Caste?

- Where does it say there are ment to be 10 Guru's?

- Where are the 5 Kakkars outlined in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?

- How Much of the Rehit is from the teachings of the Guru's?

I'll add more...lemme ask em! :)

1) Guru Gobind Singh Ji's 2 wives Mata jeet kaur (mata sundari ji) and mata Sahib Kaur ji.

Mata sahib kaur ji stayed avirgin all her life and is considered the mother of the Khalsa

2) where does it say that?

3) where does it say otherwise? plus there was never more than one Guru at one time holding the status of Guru.

4) they are not but they are mentioned in Guru Gobind Singh jis 52 hukams.

5) all of it.

1) what about the 6th Guru? Guru Hargobind Ji...why did he have 3 wives?

2) its well known that the Guru's married within thier own Caste!...Kathri's I think!

Anywhere on the net I can read the 52 Hukams? and use em as evidence?

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GURU GOBIND SINGH JEE HAD ONE WIFE!!!

mata sundri was not his wife, she was made the mother of the khalsa

mata jeet and sundri were the same person she was given the name sundri after marriage

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Can i just say...the Guru ji is a supreme being and that Sikhi is perfect, it has no flaws, its the PEOPLE who have flaws.

If they need to find the information they want then Gurbani is there to help them, READ IT!

The history, yes people are going tarnish the truth as usual, in this case I say just let them be.

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Gurmat is perfect and complete and I openly challenge anyone to find a single "flaw" with it. There could be misunderstanding or there could be something not practiced correctly but in terms of principles, Sikhi is flawless.

For the answers to many questions go to http://forums.waheguroo.com/QandA-f60.html. The top section has answers to common questions where as the "Muslim Answers" have answers to others. If extremist Muslims out to tear Sikhi apart couldn't find anything wrong, I doubt anyone else can.

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Can i just say...the Guru ji is a supreme being and that Sikhi is perfect, it has no flaws, its the PEOPLE who have flaws.

If they need to find the information they want then Gurbani is there to help them, READ IT!

The history, yes people are going tarnish the truth as usual, in this case I say just let them be.

Veerji said spot on. There is no flaw in sikhi, its people who have lost trust in guru and begin questioning. How many of us have read entire guru granth sahibji? how can we know what is mentioned in it and what not. And how will we know if the answers to our questions are correct. We tend to trust another person rather than reading bani oursevles and making an effort to understand it.

If someone does have genuine questions, their doubts should be cleared, but noone can inculcate faith in someone except for guruji himself. READING BANI AND DOING ARDAS IS ONLY SOLUTION.

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