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the word "kirpan" is from "kirpa" to grace/protect and "aan" means an act of kindness, you could carry any dagger, as long as it is sheathed, and it could be ur kirpan, most people favour the taksal type ones, some carry kukris, some people carry khanjars etc

i personally believe that everyone should learn how to use their kirpan if the need ever arose, theres a big difference between carrying a dagger and actually using it on someone. my point earlier about sharpening your kirpan is really based upon the after effects of a encounter, if you had a blunt taksali kirpan, u wouldnt slash no one with it because it doesnt have sharp edges, your only means of attack would be a deep plunge into their head/shoulder/back etc

take a moment to think, if you stabbed someone in the head, most likely they would die, then think where this would lead. on the other hand, if ur shasters were sharpened, u slash someone on the face/hands they would see the blood and run, or surrender. another thing about being trained how to use ur kirpan would be how to keep it, if u pull it out and ur attacker takes it off you and stabs you with it, then how much besathi is that to guru ka panth, shasters, and ur kakar?

As kripan Khando Kharg Tupk Tabr er Teer Seef Srohi sheti yehe hamara peer ^_^

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if a kirpan was that straight forward to everyone, can someone tell me why it is curved??? and whos the one who said "Pointy end in"? If it was that ez why is the Kirpan not straight like a dagger?

I dont know about neone else, but the sharpest side on my kirpan is actually the inside curve on it like for example if i wanna slash someones hand off i wud slice it off with the inside curve of the kirpan because thats what that bit is designed for and its a VERY tough part of the kirpan.

U say the kirpan is str8 forward? I disagree with that to the max. I think ure thinking doesnt expand as far as it shud if u think like that!!! grin.gif

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can someone tell me why it is curved???

To kill the enemy on spot.. The curve style do more damage inside the body than the straight forward one.. straight one will go just straight and will not cover any additional area.. but the curved will cover more area in damaging tissue and all other yuck stuff inside the body..

regarding the big siri sahibs (war kirpans, famous known as eastern style) is curved cauz of being comfortable in holding while running on horses etc..

But i think one doesn't have to worry how to use it.. when time comes, we can even make a pencil into weapon.. so with kirpan it's easy to use ;) (i know i can :e: )

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waheguru jio,

Great post! And great questions!

First of all, OUR KIRPAN IS NOT A SYMBOL!

This has arisen many times and singhs have always constently said that dont call our kirpan, our shastr that guru sahib gave us a symbol.

A kirpan was given to us by guru sahib for self defence for us and for others! And only that and not to use at anytimes. We only pull out our siri sahib when ALL ELSE FAILS. When you are in a situation, guru kirpa dis doesnt happen, but when u r and u use all da skills u have well it be da karate u learned in high school, or the playful fights u have wit ur dad, when all else fails and u know u only see death in front of u, only then pull out your siri sahib.

And about the little kirpans, and the big ones, dont matter what the size is .. when guru does his kirpa on u that little 2 inch siri sahib of yours will turn into a very lethal weapon. ONLY IF, you dont start something. You fight against injustice, it is sure your victory.

And about not knowing how to use the siri sahib. What is there to it, say waheguru, he will come 1000 steps to u to assist u, and be rite beside u when u fight the legion. SO there is nothin to be afraid of.

Bul chuk maph jio

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

I agree with u 100% but what if ur attacker h

as a weapon? I would definetly pull my kirpan out at the time i saw his weapon......

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Dear me. rolleyes.gif

Ok, my guess would be a basic kirpan or talwar is curved because it makes it easier to chop/slice off someone's head and run off quick time.

People here seem to think best thing is to "stick" their kirpan into the opponent. ;) Theres no point in me saying otherwise, best thing is to go and learn about types of weapons and their purpose and where possible learn from someone who has studied their use and strengths. Also learn about pulse points where it might be useful to "put pointy bit in".

Someone mentioned Guru Gobind Singh Ji, well, excuse me, if we want to imitate or be his roop then we must also see WHAT OTHER weapons were standard on Guru Jee's person and his Singhs. Things like katar, talwar, peshkabj, chakkars, nakhas?, teer, etc.....can we also imitate his way in wearing these also? Are we up to that? Do we train martially? We are forgetting this is his specialist army of God. An army is nothing without training - physically and mentally, fearlessness, and further more an army of God would naturally contain some of God's own virtues, compassion, no hate, no fear. Also, would anyone say God's army were afraid of demons? Certainly not! Why not make those demons part of the self and use them as seva aswell? Get them to mutha tek to the almighty!

If you get me. lol. blush.gif

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Everybody is going on about being ready for battle. In the next war, shastar vidya will be crucial, but what will be more crucial? firearms and weapons training which anyone can get for around $1000, SWAT training, military training. All of that stuff is very important. The more singhs trained in that the better. What use will great gatka ustads be when we are being attacked by jeep mounted machine guns, tanks, jets and other modern shastar/astar?

Unless one intends to, and is skilled enough to, stand in a battlefield twirling their tulvaar blocking every bullet and grenade that comes at it, I suggest everyone learn how to use a gun, and learn fast.

I can already imagine being stuck on a battlefield with a bunch of gatka kids that start getting their heads blown off and when they first shoot getting launched backwards and breaking their shoulders.... Not only would they be a danger to themselves, but also a danger to others.

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When we already are on this thingy

i think most peoplewould take out thier Kirpan is someone is threatening to kill you

but lets take it into a situation where someone comes witha a pocket knife and 'robes you'

would you take out your Kirpan and be fighting them...

i think MOST people agree that in a such situation..

u would just scare them and not really kill them

but if someone comes and tries to robe you

will u take out uur Kirpan

after all its to protect urself and the innocent ;)

Sikhs shouldn't be cowards shoudl they

even tho its might be about a few dollars

its still injustice..

or would u jsut let them Robe u..

loike Longowale and..Tohra did 84..when they surrenderd rolleyes.gif

but most imporantly

in a such situation would u take out ur Kirpan or Not :T:

been thinking about it for a while

bhull chukk maaf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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ok first of all if you have to use your kirpan you SHOULD BE READY TO USE IT, once you pull out your kirpan no turning back so better use your head ok? ive been in many fights not that im proud but i never lost, one reason why cause i never started them, 2 cause i use my brain in a fight :( , i agree with the symbolic reason of the kirpan, but is also a LAST means of defence, which i think has now been established in the topic (mind da spelling ;) ) remember this if any weapon is drawn in battle, that battle is taken to a whole new level, also this miltary stuff with the guns and stuff, dont wanna learn, i hate fighting rolleyes.gif , also any type or martial arts can only take you so far even then can not garantee your a victory, if you are going to fight adjust your punchs or what ever you do to suit you, so your body flows naturally and no strain is put on your body, also learn breakfall really help unless you like wheelchairs, i also find words being an effective weapon grin.gif

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Mkhalsa, only a fool would stand in a battle field twirling their kirpan where bullets are raining down on them, I doubt they would even get to the battlefield in the first place.... ;) Its not all about twirling a kirpan.

What you suggested was good, even Guru Gobind Singh Ji had a bandook (gun - I am told) and used it. Guns are also within the scope of Shastar Vidiya, as is battle strategy. Jet fighter training sounds good.

However, this big "battle" may be beyond our lifetime, yet the guy (with the knife) trying to rape/attack us may be right around the corner. Tanks, jet fighters and possibly guns would be of no use there. rolleyes.gif then we're fighting for our life/dignity/honour with every fighting skill we learnt.

I would just like to recommend caution also, people should make up their own minds as to what is right and wrong based on their own research. Just because your teacher may eat meat, doesnt mean its right for you to. There are situations/circumstances/lifestyles/outcomes that may be different for both student and teacher. Just thought I would add that in for the kids. B)

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