Should Nindaks Be Killed?

[rupinder singh]

Singhs are still out there, waiting for the time to come. Why isn't Gurmeet raam raheem dead, why is it that people are still doing nindhia of our guru, ITS BECAUSE WE ARE A SLEEP.

just picking up on a quote I read on the shaheed samagam post. if someone does the nindya of our guru do people believe they should be killed? when do we draw the line on issuing a death sentance or forgiving a person? what are the sangats views on this?

[JustME]

it takes a big person to forgive and an even bigger person to forgive and ACTUALLY MEAN it.....

im all up for the "turn the other cheek" this is waheguru's kheel..............only he decides to end a life not US..........

[MiriPiri]

The original quote that was quoted asked if we are asleep. Well, no, if we were asleep, then we would get angry at every bad word and start killing people for it, i.e. sleep-walking into Islamic-like Sikh Fundamentalism.

I want to be a Sikh disciple when I am able to be suitably blessed, not a Sikh fanatic.

A Sikh's call-to-arms comes when the people are oppressed, not when some "laraku" people become offended by the admittedly-reprehensible tactics of cults and other religions.

[dalsingh101]

and in this way started the Sikh taleban....

[Seva]

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since when did we get the right to decide, or even debate, on who lives and who dies?

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[Mehtab Singh]

ਚੁ ਕਾਰ ਅਜ਼ ਹਮਹ ਹੀਲਤੇ ਦਰ ਗੁਜ਼ਸ਼ਤ ॥ ਹਲਾਲ ਅਸਤ ਬੁਰਦਨ ਬ ਸ਼ਮਸ਼ੀਰ ਦਸਤ ॥੨੨॥

चु कार अज़ हमह हीलते दर गुज़शत ॥ हलाल असत बुरदन ब शमशीर दसत ॥२२॥

When all other methods fail, it is proper to hold the sword in hand.22.

- Zafarnama

Note the "When all other methods fail" part.

[rupinder singh]

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since when did we get the right to decide, or even debate, on who lives and who dies?

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i see ur point. but ultimatley individuals are reponsible for their own actions too. i suppose the question is when is an action of killing a good deed or a bad deed? Can a nindak be compared to a tyrant? if a tyrant has committed gross acts of human violations i can see a valid case for assinating him/her but what about a nindak, is that in the same category?

hypothetically speaking, if some person came and swore at my guru, should the reaction be greater or equal to the reaction of tyrant killing a 1000 people.

[Sarbloh]

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since when did we get the right to decide, or even debate, on who lives and who dies?

wjkk wjkf

i see ur point. but ultimatley individuals are reponsible for their own actions too. i suppose the question is when is an action of killing a good deed or a bad deed? Can a nindak be compared to a tyrant? if a tyrant has committed gross acts of human violations i can see a valid case for assinating him/her but what about a nindak, is that in the same category?

hypothetically speaking, if some person came and swore at my guru, should the reaction be greater or equal to the reaction of tyrant killing a 1000 people.

In many cases reactions are influenced by the people around you and also how high level the actual issue is or what personal gain can be achieved by the reaction. That is why you will find a strong reaction to one issue and a non reaction to an almost identical issue,. How some influential people/groups express their emotions will influence the reactions of others.

But going back to your original point, from what I can remember in various Rehatnamas, we are encouraged to form a disassociation with “nindaks” as a pose to any issuing of death sentences etc.

[Shaheed_Fauja]

Can a nindak be compared to a tyrant? if a tyrant has committed gross acts of human violations i can see a valid case for assinating him/her but what about a nindak, is that in the same category?

hypothetically speaking, if some person came and swore at my guru, should the reaction be greater or equal to the reaction of tyrant killing a 1000 people.

lol bro...

Datu, son of Guru Angad Dev Ji, went to Guru Amardas Ji Maharaaj and was like "You were a lil crappy servant of the house until yesterday and how dare you chillax as the Master?!".

He then kicked the old Guru Sahib Ji, throwing him off his throne. Guru Amar Das in his utter humility started caressing Datu's foot saying; "I'm old. My bones are hard. You may have been hurt."

Was Guru ji too weak to fight? Or did he not feel the need to fight back? Or was he humble?

Sikhs should be asked the question: How much of the Guru are you?

AND how can a nindak be in the same category as a tyrant?! That's like comparing a cussing match to murder lol

Nindaks have been alive EVER SINCE the Guruship of Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj! What happened to them? Did Bhai Lehna Ji become Angry like all these (maaf karna) sikhi-started-from-84 Sikhs?

These beloved Nindaks pay their lekha infront of Dharamraj (Read Sukhmani Sahib!) so why should we bother?

On the other hand - TYRANTS are a different story. Mehtab Singh's quote is neccessary for this..

and remember: Guru Ji gave Hari Chand 3 arrows to fire at him 1st.

1 missed+ hit his horse. 2nd skimmed his ear,

but when the 3rd 1 hit him..

jabbe baan laageyo - TABBE ROS JAAGEYO!!!

fer?

HARRI CHAND MAARE.. SOH JODA LATAARE!!

RANANG JEET AYE.. JAYANG GEET GAYE!!

But dont forget: bhei jeet meri.. KIRPA KAAL KERI!

AKAAAAL!

[rupinder singh]

Can a nindak be compared to a tyrant? if a tyrant has committed gross acts of human violations i can see a valid case for assinating him/her but what about a nindak, is that in the same category?

hypothetically speaking, if some person came and swore at my guru, should the reaction be greater or equal to the reaction of tyrant killing a 1000 people.

lol bro...

Datu, son of Guru Angad Dev Ji, went to Guru Amardas Ji Maharaaj and was like "You were a lil crappy servant of the house until yesterday and how dare you chillax as the Master?!".

He then kicked the old Guru Sahib Ji, throwing him off his throne. Guru Amar Das in his utter humility started caressing Datu's foot saying; "I'm old. My bones are hard. You may have been hurt."

Was Guru ji too weak to fight? Or did he not feel the need to fight back? Or was he humble?

Sikhs should be asked the question: How much of the Guru are you?

AND how can a nindak be in the same category as a tyrant?! That's like comparing a cussing match to murder lol

Nindaks have been alive EVER SINCE the Guruship of Dhan Dhan Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaj! What happened to them? Did Bhai Lehna Ji become Angry like all these (maaf karna) sikhi-started-from-84 Sikhs?

These beloved Nindaks pay their lekha infront of Dharamraj (Read Sukhmani Sahib!) so why should we bother?

On the other hand - TYRANTS are a different story. Mehtab Singh's quote is neccessary for this..

and remember: Guru Ji gave Hari Chand 3 arrows to fire at him 1st.

1 missed+ hit his horse. 2nd skimmed his ear,

but when the 3rd 1 hit him..

jabbe baan laageyo - TABBE ROS JAAGEYO!!!

fer?

HARRI CHAND MAARE.. SOH JODA LATAARE!!

RANANG JEET AYE.. JAYANG GEET GAYE!!

But dont forget: bhei jeet meri.. KIRPA KAAL KERI!

AKAAAAL!

cool. thanks for ur constructive response!