Outer Rehat Vs Inner Rehat

[Laadli Fauj]

amrit kaurs post says it perfectly

they are both recquired

maharaj demands it, its not a choice or a question, they are both needed

u can be a perfect sikh on the inside but if u dont look like one, u dont have the discipline it takes to become one outwardly then u've still lost

same thing vice versa

u can wear a chola dumala huge taksali kirpan

but if ur a nindak, kaami, krodhi, etcetc

then ur just pakhand

u lose either way

bird cant fly with one wing

[mskcan]

PLacing this issue into context, many individuals who are on this path take time to develop inner, and it is not necessary to have an outer to make up for deficiencies of the inner. Many are young and growing and changing, rehat both inner and outer requires life long discipline, something unchanging.

[ocelot]

Sat Sri Akal,

If you are capable of keeping inner Rehat, then it is best things, as you will not be bothered by outward word.

That is you dont care about anything except Guru, nor your identity, your appearence , any other thing.

If you are capable of keeping inner rehat you will surely become Amritdhari else it is too much difficult to keep inner Rehat without reciting bani. Even in other religions it must have required a lot of effort.

You have to decide do you think you are keeping Inner Rehat as Guru Jee Said.

It is much more difficult to keep inner rehat then outer one.

[saint-soldier]

I think keeping outer rehat is very hard too especially if you are in western countries. Like how many people do you see with full dhari, bana, dumalla and shastars just walking in the street everyday or going to work like that.

[ParwinderSingh]

Inner rehit is harder to keep and it isnt up to other people to judge about inner rehits or look at how good someone is inside, we need to look at ourselves only and how we can improve.

the Guru looks after us all, however we have alot more control over outer rehit. The discipline we set outside is what leads us to setting the dicipline inside........... both are important and required.....

[TheVampire]

Is it possible to have inner and not outer?

Dhan Dhan Guroo Amar Das Ji Maharaj

ਜੀਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ॥

Jī­ahu nirmal bāhrahu nirmal.

Inwardly pure, and outwardly pure.

ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਤ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜੀਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਮਾਣੀ ॥

Bāhrahu ṯa nirmal jī­ahu nirmal saṯgur ṯė karṇī kamāṇī.

Those who are outwardly pure and also pure within, through the Guru, perform good deeds.

ਕੂੜ ਕੀ ਸੋਇ ਪਹੁਚੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਨਸਾ ਸਚਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ॥

Kūṛ kī so­ė pahucẖai nāhī mansā sacẖ samāṇī.

Not even an iota of falsehood touches them; their hopes are absorbed in the Truth.

ਜਨਮੁ ਰਤਨੁ ਜਿਨੀ ਖਟਿਆ ਭਲੇ ਸੇ ਵਣਜਾਰੇ ॥

Janam raṯan jinī kẖati­ā bẖalė sė vaṇjārė.

Those who earn the jewel of this human life, are the most excellent of merchants.

ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਨ ਮੰਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਸਦਾ ਰਹਹਿ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥

Kahai Nānak jin man nirmal saḏā raheh gur nālė. ||20||

Says Nanak, those whose minds are pure, abide with the Guru forever. ||20||

This is distortion of Sikhi.

This shabad does not refer to the 5 k's - outward rehit.

Guru Amar Das Ji is refering to people who act all holy but within themselves they are dirty, and contrasting with those that are pure from within and without.

[Singhstah]

Is it possible to have inner and not outer?

Dhan Dhan Guroo Amar Das Ji Maharaj

ਜੀਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ॥

Jī­ahu nirmal bāhrahu nirmal.

Inwardly pure, and outwardly pure.

ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਤ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜੀਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਮਾਣੀ ॥

Bāhrahu ṯa nirmal jī­ahu nirmal saṯgur ṯė karṇī kamāṇī.

Those who are outwardly pure and also pure within, through the Guru, perform good deeds.

ਕੂੜ ਕੀ ਸੋਇ ਪਹੁਚੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਮਨਸਾ ਸਚਿ ਸਮਾਣੀ ॥

Kūṛ kī so­ė pahucẖai nāhī mansā sacẖ samāṇī.

Not even an iota of falsehood touches them; their hopes are absorbed in the Truth.

ਜਨਮੁ ਰਤਨੁ ਜਿਨੀ ਖਟਿਆ ਭਲੇ ਸੇ ਵਣਜਾਰੇ ॥

Janam raṯan jinī kẖati­ā bẖalė sė vaṇjārė.

Those who earn the jewel of this human life, are the most excellent of merchants.

ਕਹੈ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਨ ਮੰਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਸਦਾ ਰਹਹਿ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਲੇ ॥੨੦॥

Kahai Nānak jin man nirmal saḏā raheh gur nālė. ||20||

Says Nanak, those whose minds are pure, abide with the Guru forever. ||20||

This is distortion of Sikhi.

This shabad does not refer to the 5 k's - outward rehit.

Guru Amar Das Ji is refering to people who act all holy but within themselves they are dirty, and contrasting with those that are pure from within and without.

:S

did you actually read the part of the shabad i posted?

Guroo Sahib addresses the people who are inside dirty outside pure BEFORE the thuk I posted when he says:

ਜੀਅਹੁ ਮੈਲੇ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ॥

Jī­ahu mailė bāhrahu nirmal.

Inwardly polluted, and outwardly pure.

ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜੀਅਹੁ ਤ ਮੈਲੇ ਤਿਨੀ ਜਨਮੁ ਜੂਐ ਹਾਰਿਆ ॥

Bāhrahu nirmal jī­ahu ṯa mailė ṯinī janam jū­ai hāri­ā.

Those who are outwardly pure and yet polluted within, lose their lives in the gamble.

THEN further on Maharaj says:

ਜੀਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ॥

Jī­ahu nirmal bāhrahu nirmal.

Inwardly pure, and outwardly pure.

ਬਾਹਰਹੁ ਤ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਜੀਅਹੁ ਨਿਰਮਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਮਾਣੀ ॥

Bāhrahu ṯa nirmal jī­ahu nirmal saṯgur ṯė karṇī kamāṇī.

Those who are outwardly pure and also pure within, through the Guru, perform good deeds.

So, all maharaj mentions is people who are inwardly polluted but look pure outside and criticises them, however maharaj blesses those who are pure both inside AND outside.

[Revolutionary]

Nowadays I must admit parchar is more focussed on the outward discipline such as Kesh etc

..Yes it is important to keep Kesh, but this is not the focus of a Sikh life - only a part of it.

Before we had Khalse who could take on 125,000.. nowadays (dare i say) 125,000s of outwardly "Khalse" have become less than 1!The problem of mass Amrit Sanchars.

Khalsa is about QUALITY not quantity.