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Where's it gone? Did admin get pressure to remove? Chal, truth will come out anyway. With Guruji's kirpa, the sangat will find other ways to highlight what the committee are doing in GNSS Gurdwara complex. May waheguru one day bless these committees with gursikhi jeevan so that they realise the errors of their current ways.

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Looks like the Dudley Committee have actioned legal proceedings against SikhSangat. Good to see further misuse of Guruji's golak and Sangat's donations. Dudley committee dont have a leg to stand on so now starts the cover up attempts but the TRUTH cannot be silenced. Please SikhSangat wale give an update to what's happened.

www.satkaarcampaign.blogspot.com has updates for the UK Sangat about Dudley beadbi.

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Seems like we will struggle to escape that old pendoo game of lawyers letters and "defamation" accusation everytime someone speaks out against these Committees. I'm sure you read stronger opinions on the Daily Mail comments section. These Solictors must be having a right laugh at the ever ready queue of Gurdwara committees who line up to take legal action out on anyone who voices an opinion. Another misuse of the Sangat's donations.

I hope sikhsangat.com admin stand their ground for the sake of Truth and Maryada!

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Mod Note: WJKK WJKF. The Dudley Beadbi Thread has temporarily been taken down and the admin team are discussing how best to proceed with getting it back on-line minus the personal attacks. Each one of you can help by refraining for making such attacks but at the same time show your support and voice opinions on the Satkaar of Dhan Dhan Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. Remeber guys, we are all on the same team here and Sikhsangat is 100% in support of the Satkaar of Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj. :-)

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They are public figures representing the Sikh community and Sikh interests, in charge of spending vast amounts of Sikh donations.

The Sikh community have every right to challenge them, challenge their credibility as "caretakers" of our interest and funds. We have every right to criticise them, we have every right to judge their characters and interests when they have ELECTED themselves to represent the Sikh Community.

When you're a politician or a public figure you up against your critics. Just read the newspapers.

What do these dudley air-heads think they have special circumstances and are immune to criticism?? stop crying you bunch of losers.

We want OUR MONEY back. SANGATS MONEY!!! for SEWA!! not for BOOZE!!

Want to go through the courts??? WE will sue your A*S for corruption, abusing your charity status, fiddling the books!!

Then you faces and names will come out in the papers, you are defaming your own Characters!!

If you can't handle the sewa, step down and carry on living your lives.

You can not have it both ways. Hypocrites!!

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This is ridiculous!!! Rather than changing their ways on the Beadbi they are doing, the Dudley committee are trying to silence the voices that criticise them. First it was complaining, as I understand it, against the Satkaar Campaign show on Sikh Channel, to now sending "pendoo game of lawyers letters" as my brother says above. They also told a pack of lies to the Panjab Times newspaper, in which they denied the hall had anything to do with the Gurdwara.

This idea of silencing public criticism is very similar to what Hosni Mubarak, the dictator of Egypt did until the general public there finally had enough and stood up against him.

I'm sure the sangat has had enough now of these corrupted committees who are more interested in pursuing their personal pleasures than promoting Gurmat. These corrupted committees should realise that the sangat has woken from their sleep, and will relentlessly challenge these committees until they get the change they want. which is that Gurdwaras are ONLY for promoting Gurmat and satkaar of Guroo Jee only - NOT meat, alcohol, egos, parties, personal rivalries, etc.

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Waheguru, Everyone lets contemplate on the following shabad and since the Dudley Gurdwara committee are also reading this along with their lawyer please read the following and really think about what you are doing. What is the point of silencing sangat's voices, you cannot change the fact that Guru ji already knows.

rwmklI mhlw 5 ]

raamakalee mehalaa 5 ||

Raamkalee, Fifth Mehla:

kaufI bdlY iqAwgY rqnu ]

kouddee badhalai thiaagai rathan ||

In exchange for a shell, he gives up a jewel.

Coif jwie qwhU kw jqnu ]

shhodd jaae thaahoo kaa jathan ||

He tries to get what he must give up.

so sMcY jo hoCI bwq ]

so sa(n)chai jo hoshhee baath ||

He collects those things which are worthless.

mwieAw moihAw tyFau jwq ]1]

maaeiaa mohiaa ttaedto jaath ||1||

Enticed by Maya, he takes the crooked path. ||1||

ABwgy qY lwj nwhI ]

abhaagae thai laaj naahee ||

You unfortunate man - have you no shame?

suK swgr pUrn prmysru hir n cyiqE mn mwhI ]1] rhwau ]

sukh saagar pooran paramaesar har n chaethiou man maahee ||1|| rehaao ||

You do not remember in your mind the ocean of peace, the perfect Transcendent Lord God. ||1||Pause||

AMimRqu kaurw ibiKAw mITI ]

a(n)mrith kouraa bikhiaa meet(h)ee ||

Nectar seems bitter to you, and poison is sweet.

swkq kI ibiD nYnhu fITI ]

saakath kee bidhh nainahu ddeet(h)ee ||

Such is your condition, you faithless cynic, which I have seen with my own eyes.

kUiV kpit AhMkwir rIJwnw ]

koorr kapatt aha(n)kaar reejhaanaa ||

You are fond of falsehood, fraud and egotism.

nwmu sunq jnu ibCUA fswnw ]2]

naam sunath jan bishhooa ddasaanaa ||2||

If you hear the Naam, the Name of the Lord, you feel like you have been stung by a scorpion. ||2||

mwieAw kwrix sd hI JUrY ]

maaeiaa kaaran sadh hee jhoorai ||

You continually yearn for Maya,

min muiK kbih n ausqiq krY ]

man mukh kabehi n ousathath karai ||

and you never chant the Lord's Praises with your mouth.

inrBau inrMkwr dwqwru ]

nirabho nira(n)kaar dhaathaar ||

The Lord is fearless and formless; He is the Great Giver.

iqsu isau pRIiq n krY gvwru ]3]

this sio preeth n karai gavaar ||3||

But you do not love Him, you fool! ||3||

sB swhw isir swcw swhu ]

sabh saahaa sir saachaa saahu ||

God, the True King, is above the heads of all kings.

vymuhqwju pUrw pwiqswhu ]

vaemuhathaaj pooraa paathisaahu ||

He is the independent, perfect Lord King.

moh mgn lpitE BRm igrh ]

moh magan lapattiou bhram gireh ||

People are intoxicated by emotional attachment, entangled in doubt and family life.

nwnk qrIAY qyrI imhr ]4]21]32]

naanak thareeai thaeree mihar ||4||21||32||

Nanak: they are saved only by Your Mercy, Lord. ||4||21||32||

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Good post Balait. Guroo Jee says it all straight. Dhan Guroo Granth Sahib Jee.

What are the Dudley committee going to do next? Take legal action against Guroo Jee for telling the truth?

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lol :6

A Big welcome from everyone to the solicitor!!!

Just wanted to know how much you are charging?

Would it not be nice if the solicitor was to sign up and make a few comments to everyone? I for 1 would be even more amused by this whole situation.

Do you think the solicitor might be able to read punjabi? I was thinking of maybe a few punjabi gallaan.

I spoke to my aunty who told me that the committee are just all besharam. For the benefit of the solicitor that means 'shameless.'

Now the whole world will know about Dudley. I think they have just put their foot right in it. I will speak to all my relatives in the Midlands area and make sure they support this cause now. How dare the committee waste Sangat money like this. Bandhar na houn!!

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Mod Note: Response will be allowed to stay but again, the reply clearly states that the poster was informed by a third party and other than the information about a case in relation to something external to this matter. This comment should not be taken as factual content.

Beati to sangat, lets try and stick to the topic at hand and not deviate from the fact that this thread and discussion is only in exisitence because of the lack of respect and regard for Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj that is being shown by The Committee of Dudley Gurdwara and despite attempts to change this way of thinking through peaceful dialogue with the Satkaar Sewadars, this complex is looking for ways to contine to allow activities that are completely against the heart of the Sikh Faith.

May waheguru grant soji to these people to see the error of their ways.

This is getting very interesting.

Someone told me (can't say who for fear of getting sued) that the solicitor in question is Mr Sahota of Sahota Solicitors, 218 Strand, London www.libel-law.co.uk

Apparently this solicitor also sues Indian "fake" babas! He represented Hardeep Singh against "His Holiness Sant Baba Jeet Singh Ji Maharaj" - that case is on the internet and was thrown out last year by the High Court in London. They judge said religious matters can not be decided by secular courts.

http://www.bailii.or.../2010/1294.html

I am told that Mr Sahota wants to sue 'dudley singh' for starting the thread. So, word of warning, 'dudley singh,' I would keep a low profile till all this blows over...Mr Sahota is "on your case!"

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WJKK WJKF, Im not a lawyer but maybe some off our brothers and sisters that are can correct me if im wrong. sikhsangat is a public forum where people air their views and opinions. its not a news site which has to have factual information. can legal proceedings even be bought against someone for having an opinion? Ss.com is usa based so have the commitee served legal papers there as aint freedom of speach enshrined in the constitution?

End of the day use a loop hole, in the terms of use state sikhsangat.com does not endorse or will be held legally liable for its members views or posts. Put the dudley thread back up.

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This is getting very interesting.

Someone told me (can't say who for fear of getting sued) that the solicitor in question is Mr Sahota of Sahota Solicitors, 218 Strand, London www.libel-law.co.uk

Apparently this solicitor also sues Indian "fake" babas! He represented Hardeep Singh against "His Holiness Sant Baba Jeet Singh Ji Maharaj" - that case is on the internet and was thrown out last year by the High Court in London. They judge said religious matters can not be decided by secular courts.

http://www.bailii.or.../2010/1294.html

I am told that Mr Sahota wants to sue 'dudley singh' for starting the thread. So, word of warning, 'dudley singh,' I would keep a low profile till all this blows over...Mr Sahota is "on your case!"

Sue dudley singh for what exactly was offensive? Libel law so slander or defamation, didnt he just bring the situation to sangats attention.

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Oh Mr. Sahota! Who Will Represent You In The Court Of The Lord !?!?! You Are Representing A Corrupt Committee Who Are Attacking Gurmat And Stealing From MahaaRaaajan Deh MahaaRaaj SatGurooGranthSahibJee !!!!! Who Will Represent YOU In The TRUE COURT !?!?!

You Should Stop Representing Such Sinners And Instead GET THEM IMPRISONED FOR BEING CRIMINALS !!!

BUT … THAT WOULD BE AGAINST YOUR ETHICS !!!

LOL !! WELCOME MR. SOLICITOR !!

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The Gurdwara committee want to sue over their own bezhti. What about the beadbi the committee do towards Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by allowing meat & alcohol onto Gurdwara property? Tell me one thing, after all this fiasco, is the committee capable being incharge of a Gurdwara?

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