Jkd, Wing Chun Or Eagle Claw?

[Inqlabi]

wjkk wjkf.

Bacially I have the option of learning one of the following martial arts: Jeet kune Do, Wing Chun or Eagle Claw Kung Fu...

I was trying to weigh up which is best out of these and would probably be the most effective in real life situation on the street?

If the sangat practices any of these or has any idea what I should go for, then please let me know. Thanks.

Dont waste ur money and Time on these . MMA is best for street fight . And i will advice u to first learn Boxing and wrestling then MMA all these chao mao looks good but are not effective.

[Guru_Da_Chella]

no boxing style is contradictory to khalsa martial arts!

[Inqlabi]

I hope u dont want all of us to join Nidar Sanatani .

[1000]

Ive done boxing. Not MMA. Its hard with dastar too.

[Khaalis]

"waste ur money and Time on these . MMA is best for street fight . And i will advice u to first learn Boxing and wrestling then MMA all these chao mao looks good but are not effective"

Bhai Sahib Ji. How many martial arts have you actually learnt or fought against? How many street fights have you had, what qualifies you to make such an irresponsible and ignorant statement? It's exacly this sort of irrational teenage mentality that spoils Sikh forums and pushes away any intellgient people who actually may have something worth sharing.

If you want to see the effectieness of any of these martial arts and many many more, I would be more than happy to help you make acquaitance with practitioners.

Boxing is very good, and extremely effective on the street if one has maastered it, but how many people actually become good boxers. Look at the professional arena and your question is answered, There are actually street styles of boxing taught in the Phillipines (where modern boxing movements originate from- via the Navy that was located there during USAs short bid for dominance). The twisting ducking, uppercutting and downward attacking motions are all derived from blade fighting techniques. Prior to the Filipino US innovation in boxing, boxing was a very linear, direct fighting art (see pics of the early Jewish and Irish communities in London fighitng for respect on the streets in gentlemanly bare knuckle boutsat the turn of the last century). Boxing sadly fails against Blades for obvious reasons - but is great as an open hand style (if mastered).

MMA is a sport. Yes it can be used in the street to good effective - against one unarmed person, but the training is tuned towards one to one and rules i.e. you can't rip someone throat out, you can't burst their eyeballs, you can't snap their joints, you can't apply nerve attacks etc etc etc. What you practice is what you do. It is also not designed for multiples - largley because it encourages grappling (commitment to one person) so do the maths, what would the 2nd, 3rd person be doing whilst you are gettign the 1st in an arm bar...? Lastly, it is not designed for weapon attacks.

This takes nothing away from MMA or Boxing, both teach excellent skills like judging distance, closing the gap, speed, strength, striking/controlling methods etc etc, but the objective is rule bound. If you want to compete, then excellent, if you want to learn how to defend yourself against extreme violence, which more than likely will include smashed bottles, knives even swrods/basebal bats, then you are more likely to have more success in a combat art.

Eagle claw, Wing chun etc are battlefield skill, designed to make a quick kill or permanent disability, if learnt fully/coorectly, these arts still provide the same abilities.

Eskrima in its many forms is unique in the martial arts of the world, because it is the only one which is still applied daily on the street. Visit Phillipines and you will understand what I mean. Until very recently, death matches or live challenegs with sticks or bladeswere common place, they still happen to much lesser extent today. These arts are live/real, proven on the street (even now).

This isn't an attack on any art or any practitioner, but when talking on public forums, esp Sikh ones, people should learn to be responsible as youngters get influenced. Kindly don't compare apples with pears.

There are no rule or referees on the street. Whatever you practice is what manifests (intentions).

[Inqlabi]

"waste ur money and Time on these . MMA is best for street fight . And i will advice u to first learn Boxing and wrestling then MMA all these chao mao looks good but are not effective"

Bhai Sahib Ji. How many martial arts have you actually learnt or fought against? How many street fights have you had, what qualifies you to make such an irresponsible and ignorant statement? It's exacly this sort of irrational teenage mentality that spoils Sikh forums and pushes away any intellgient people who actually may have something worth sharing.

If you want to see the effectieness of any of these martial arts and many many more, I would be more than happy to help you make acquaitance with practitioners.

Boxing is very good, and extremely effective on the street if one has maastered it, but how many people actually become good boxers. Look at the professional arena and your question is answered, There are actually street styles of boxing taught in the Phillipines (where modern boxing movements originate from- via the Navy that was located there during USAs short bid for dominance). The twisting ducking, uppercutting and downward attacking motions are all derived from blade fighting techniques. Prior to the Filipino US innovation in boxing, boxing was a very linear, direct fighting art (see pics of the early Jewish and Irish communities in London fighitng for respect on the streets in gentlemanly bare knuckle boutsat the turn of the last century). Boxing sadly fails against Blades for obvious reasons - but is great as an open hand style (if mastered).

MMA is a sport. Yes it can be used in the street to good effective - against one unarmed person, but the training is tuned towards one to one and rules i.e. you can't rip someone throat out, you can't burst their eyeballs, you can't snap their joints, you can't apply nerve attacks etc etc etc. What you practice is what you do. It is also not designed for multiples - largley because it encourages grappling (commitment to one person) so do the maths, what would the 2nd, 3rd person be doing whilst you are gettign the 1st in an arm bar...? Lastly, it is not designed for weapon attacks.

This takes nothing away from MMA or Boxing, both teach excellent skills like judging distance, closing the gap, speed, strength, striking/controlling methods etc etc, but the objective is rule bound. If you want to compete, then excellent, if you want to learn how to defend yourself against extreme violence, which more than likely will include smashed bottles, knives even swrods/basebal bats, then you are more likely to have more success in a combat art.

Eagle claw, Wing chun etc are battlefield skill, designed to make a quick kill or permanent disability, if learnt fully/coorectly, these arts still provide the same abilities.

Eskrima in its many forms is unique in the martial arts of the world, because it is the only one which is still applied daily on the street. Visit Phillipines and you will understand what I mean. Until very recently, death matches or live challenegs with sticks or bladeswere common place, they still happen to much lesser extent today. These arts are live/real, proven on the street (even now).

This isn't an attack on any art or any practitioner, but when talking on public forums, esp Sikh ones, people should learn to be responsible as youngters get influenced. Kindly don't compare apples with pears.

There are no rule or referees on the street. Whatever you practice is what manifests (intentions).

Kaka ji these Dragon countries techniques are good for their people as they have short and flexible body then us . In fight u need power in ur fist which a boxer can have . I still say boxing and wrestling moves are more effective . Other then these krav Marga is also good option.

I have seen Mui thai boxers beating many top martial artists .

Mui Thai is must learn as include use of kicks and elbows.

[Khaalis]

If you have time, research into what Chinese fighting arts influenced Nigel Bens and Chris Eubanks boxing (both were boxing legends). The arts they used, which you will never have heard of, were killing arts using the fist, and only very watered version were used by these 2 boxers. Also look up what happened to their opponents (hospitalisation). You obviously do not about southern Chinese martial arts (Chinese Boxing). There are many closed door chinese systems that the mainstream have never heard of - which some top ex-European Muay Thai/Kickboxing champs have discovered and devoted their life to learning (due to the want of inheriting the art of death, rather than sport).

You are talking about sports again, Muay Thai. If you want to learn about deadly arts - look up its evolving battlefield predecessors - Muay Boran, Muay Chaya and Bokator (also closed door systems to the west). I am lucky enough to have made friends with and learnt some tips from the few rare practitioners outside of the Goldern Triangle.

I've already spoken about Krav.

Empty opinions mean nothing - you obvioulsy have little to no experience regarding the fighting arts, otherwise you wouldn't make such big rash statements/generalisations.

If you ever actually feel the urge to learn something about 'real' fighting arts, contact me - you are more than welcome to come to my home and discuss over a cup of tea, as well as see some evidence if you felt inclined.

God Bless.

[Inqlabi]

If you have time, research into what Chinese fighting arts influenced Nigel Bens and Chris Eubanks boxing (both were boxing legends). The arts they used, which you will never have heard of, were killing arts using the fist, and only very watered version were used by these 2 boxers. Also look up what happened to their opponents (hospitalisation). You obviously do not about southern Chinese martial arts (Chinese Boxing). There are many closed door chinese systems that the mainstream have never heard of - which some top ex-European Muay Thai/Kickboxing champs have discovered and devoted their life to learning (due to the want of inheriting the art of death, rather than sport).

You are talking about sports again, Muay Thai. If you want to learn about deadly arts - look up its evolving battlefield predecessors - Muay Boran, Muay Chaya and Bokator (also closed door systems to the west). I am lucky enough to have made friends with and learnt some tips from the few rare practitioners outside of the Goldern Triangle.

I've already spoken about Krav.

Empty opinions mean nothing - you obvioulsy have little to no experience regarding the fighting arts, otherwise you wouldn't make such big rash statements/generalisations.

If you ever actually feel the urge to learn something about 'real' fighting arts, contact me - you are more than welcome to come to my home and discuss over a cup of tea, as well as see some evidence if you felt inclined.

God Bless.

I will do more resarch on Chinese Boxing and will get back to you.

[1000]

Interesting thread..a bit off topic but good info ..thanks for those inputting.

[HSD1]

If you have time, research into what Chinese fighting arts influenced Nigel Bens and Chris Eubanks boxing (both were boxing legends). The arts they used, which you will never have heard of, were killing arts using the fist, and only very watered version were used by these 2 boxers. Also look up what happened to their opponents (hospitalisation). You obviously do not about southern Chinese martial arts (Chinese Boxing). There are many closed door chinese systems that the mainstream have never heard of - which some top ex-European Muay Thai/Kickboxing champs have discovered and devoted their life to learning (due to the want of inheriting the art of death, rather than sport).

Are you referring to Sanshou?