chatanga Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 Please tell us who told you that "the fault of sikhs turning to rs path, is the fault of sikhs primarily." No-one told me, I have seen it. My grandfather started going to beas, because the village where he lived in had no sikh parchar there at all. As soon as someone came along and promised God to them they began following them. Even now this village has absolutely no Gurmat parchar. Same story with the surrounding villages. If there had been continous parchar there, I am sure that there would have been no need for anyone to go to beas. You can't blame people for trying to find God. You can blame the Sikhs for not conducting enough parchar in villages. This isn't new either, read about the Singh Sabha Lehar, and they mentioned the same thing, that gurmat parchar in villages was very poor or non-existant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga Posted August 20, 2014 Report Share Posted August 20, 2014 If a scoundrel opens his own shop and mis leads gullible folks, how are the Sikhs to be faulted for this. because if the SIkhs really , I mean really thought that, Gurmat is the true path in kalyug, they would have got in there years ago. I mean the rs only started upo a few decades ago in beas, what were the Sikhs doing for the last 500 years? We are at fault. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkvlondon Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 to be honest ive read everyone's comments and thank you for all the hate comments as the gurus would be so proud. and to me the sikh bible is merely just a book or call an a to z guide to get back home, ive not once been disrespectful towards the sikh path nor would i ever as i too am sikh. ive been following the sikh path since 12 and now im 33 and yes i think i do know what im talking about some of yous say ive disrespected the sikh pathbut read your own comments and see how you too have disrespected the rs path, beleave it or not i went to one of your sikh schools guru gobind khalsa college in chigwell and boy that was an eye opener to the bad thing sant baba amar das ji the fonder of this school now they took 1000s of sikh people and the early years that school was run hardly anyone got a good education explain that to me cos i too can go on n on about how they got it wrong plus they had the sikh bible in school and they were carrying on like that, now how bad is that, you call your sikh bible your 11guru lol its not me whos brainwashed mate, you people have not studied the sikh bible properly yourselfs, ive been on the rs path for over 15 years n now i was given the gift of life the five holy names(naam) best thing ive ever done in mylife no way ever do i beleave ive been brainwashed,you people wanna disrespect me go for it for i wont disrespect back merely just give you a few home truths, for one if the rs path was fake and present and past living masters(teachers) were fake too then one why is it that its run and more successful then the sikh path why hasnt it floped like other paths have? and some of you people have been so rude towards the rs path how on earth can you call yourselfs sikhs when all your 10 not 11 gurus would be so so disappointed, and this is where we get it all wrong that we think this earth is our true home when all the 10 gurus message was to show us the way bak Home not do what sikhs have been doing is making a foundation on earth all your answers are in the sikh bible but all you guys do is sit there infront of the bible lishening but yet not understanding one thing at all, you got the cheek to say im brainwashed when its your people who have changed the sikh teachings and brainwashed you lot, look deeper in the bible and you will clearly see that it says you need to seek a living master or teacher and one who has the five not 4 not 3 but five holy names now if that is what is writen why are sikhs not folloring that well cos for one thered be no need for temples because the true kindom of heaven is within each and everyone of us, the same message is in every bible out in all paths i call it paths cos thats what they were ment for but people take over and turn it into a religion only to control people, never has the masters of the rs path say that they are god nor did the 10 gurus say they were gods they were messagers from god just like the rs masters and if any of you lot wanna take this further then talk to baba ji himself and you will get the answers, n not im not trying to compare not murge the to paths together and baba ji doesnt just talk about sikhs so get over yourselfs they talk about all paths,why have i come on here thats right to defend my master cos none of yous have the right to disrespect like that and im quite sick n tired of all the stupid comment you people right, and you sikhs have over the years lishen carefully to what the rs masters satsangs and copied yourselfs and then made out we already knew this what a lot of nonsence, i too could go on n on n on like ariston. the rs path has been going on for over 150 years whys hasnt it flopped if its fake and why havnt the sikh comumity taken him out like the other if you sikhs are so aginst the rs path then bloody do sumthing about it rather then chatting actions are alot more effective or are you sikh warriors scared. well its true you lot are just full of words but no actions cos the way you lot say that rs path has copied n taken so much from sikh path how can you lot just sit there and do nothing, im not gonna leave anymore comments here as its a waste of efford where i could be useing my time to better use. and as for you paneer monster you havnt a clue go back to baba ji and ask questions on wat ive spoken about and plus you need to shutup with your fake arss comments thinking you know what your talking about you havnt a clue mate, not a clue so if you think im not going to insult you ur wrong with the stuff you have put on here ur a <banned word filter activated> with a capital D how you think you know what your talking about makes me laugh you need to just jog on mate,and take your fake arss comments with you dont you ever disrespect my master like that oh and you want my number you mug jog on think before you speak ahhhh how sweet you wanna help me n ma family from getting brainwashed loooooool dont make me laugh mate. and this is to all the sikh people the bible was created for mandkind not for sikhs alone and if you lot wanna point the finger at rs path and other paths first point at yourselfs, dont jugde others when you are not perfect cos if one was perfect he wouldnt be here he would be at home with the lord ENJOY :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: :biggrin2: MAND5 OVER AND OUT PEACE 1. There is 1 Guru because there is 1 jot (light) not 11 Gurus as all are the same Jot which is Akal Purakh. 2. Our path has been FOR EVER as it is the path that all enlightened beings have taken throughout the ages. 3. Your Manmade religion hasn't flopped because it has and does serve the needs of government agencies and Hindu extremists to muddy the waters for honest Godfearing Sikhs so it has been supported by money and protection from those quarters. 4. I know about GGSK college and I'm sorry your folks didn't have the sense to move you out of there like I moved my son out , it was not a suitable environment for anyone wanting to be faithful to sikhi and keep gurroop. 5. if you believe that school was a good example to base your views of sikhi on , I'm sorry but you were misled 6. You have no hope because Your GURU can't save you and help you to get home to God ... I'm sorry for you, but have the feeling you came here to stir up bad feeling and are enjoying it 7. Our beej mantar WAHEGURU is a mahamantar as it contains the essence of all four mantars of the four yugs of man.... you have not spoken of your mantars so I cannot engage with that conversation but it seems strange you don't want to share your wonderful path 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 3. Your Manmade religion hasn't flopped because it has and does serve the needs of government agencies and Hindu extremists to muddy the waters for honest Godfearing Sikhs so it has been supported by money and protection from those quarters. This kind of arguement is the type we should stay away from. We are bigger than this. You want to debate rs, then thats great but do it based on theology, not political mudslinging. Remember that it has abeen an integral feature of Sikh debates to use this, and that "... Singh is a sarkari banda/rss banda" etc. The same was levelled at Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale wasn't it? Do we have any conclusive proof that rs does that? They preach their own path, which they believe is right as mand5 has written. We make ourselves look a little paranoid and amateurish when debating on "govt agents" basis. I asked my RS relatives one question based on scriptural evidence, they had no answer and shut up. Debate over. But I can't force them to abandon life-long held beliefs can I? What we need to do, is to fund active parchar with postive methods to ensure that more SIkhs do not abandon sikhi and embrace rs/christianity, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkvlondon Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 This kind of arguement is the type we should stay away from. We are bigger than this. You want to debate rs, then thats great but do it based on theology, not political mudslinging. Remember that it has abeen an integral feature of Sikh debates to use this, and that "... Singh is a sarkari banda/rss banda" etc. The same was levelled at Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale wasn't it? Do we have any conclusive proof that rs does that? They preach their own path, which they believe is right as mand5 has written. We make ourselves look a little paranoid and amateurish when debating on "govt agents" basis. I asked my RS relatives one question based on scriptural evidence, they had no answer and shut up. Debate over. But I can't force them to abandon life-long held beliefs can I? What we need to do, is to fund active parchar with postive methods to ensure that more SIkhs do not abandon sikhi and embrace rs/christianity, Point is mr Mand5 is proud of the perceived non-failure of his faith but it has been documented that they (the people at the top) have done repugnant things such as diverting river water and denying existing settlements of their right to clean fresh water ...and this is not considered illegal ? obviously if my pind decided to do the same for our gurudwara we would be rounded up and disappeared so the conclusion is they have carte blanche from govt and police whether we like it or not. They do not have their own scriptures they have hijacked Guru ji to dupe the seekers of truth in fact they don't even know what they believe...and their leadership lineage is already split and disputed within their own ranks, they are NOT sikhs as they do not accept the writings of all Ten Gurus,Bhai Gurdas ji or any of our itihas. They are not to be trusted due to the cultish mentality,my Masi is also in their thrall she has swallowed their line of needing a human guru to explain the scriptures...it is so sad . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga Posted August 22, 2014 Report Share Posted August 22, 2014 Point is mr Mand5 is proud of the perceived non-failure of his faith Is he? I never noticed such perception in his post, but I would say the RS movement has gone from strength to strength recently combined with a decline in the Sikhs, culminating in the recent event, where the RS bought land containing a historic Gurdwara and demolished it, with little more than a murmur from the Sikhs. but it has been documented that they (the people at the top) have done repugnant things such as diverting river water and denying existing settlements of their right to clean fresh water ...and this is not considered illegal ? I'm sorry I have not heard of this but it is very wrong if they have done so. Maybe you can share some info on it? obviously if my pind decided to do the same for our gurudwara we would be rounded up and disappeared so the conclusion is they have carte blanche from govt and police whether we like it or not. I don't think the rs have that kind of clout with the police where they can get families or even individuals killed. Do you know any instance where they have been suspected, if not proven to have done such things? They do not have their own scriptures True, which is why the Sikhs should not let them use GGS for weddings and Akhand Paths. My own RS relatives showed no respect to GGS in their Akhand path and their sons wedding. We are too weak over this, we wold never let nirankaris use GGS, why let the rs get away with it? they have hijacked Guru ji to dupe the seekers of truth They have, but that was equally the fault of the Sikhs for letting it get to that position, where others were able to take advantage. my Masi is also in their thrall she has swallowed their line of needing a human guru to explain the scriptures...it is so sad . only your masi, one whole side of my family goes there, dozens of families, but like I said earlier, it's mainly down to our own lack of initial interest. One way to combat it, is to do parchar. I asked a group of kirtanis once, why they don't go to beas and surronding villages to do parchar. i couldnt beleive the feeble replies i got. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 Geo What's rada swami a religion ? yes it is, as far as i know. i dont know much about it tho. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 When we are talking about our father or mother, we say "mom" or "dad", we don't say "that human being of the male gender", or "that human being of the female gender". Same way, we don't refer to Guru Sahib as book, we say Guru Sahib. you are correct that you call your mother "mum" and your father "dad" as i do aswell. but tax officials/police/judge/colleagues/friends/journalists dont call my father "dad" so if someone is not a sikh, is it wrong for them to refer to it as a "book"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sukhjit1983 Posted August 23, 2014 Report Share Posted August 23, 2014 chatanga please ans I asked my RS relatives one question based on scriptural evidence, they had no answer and shut up. Debate over. But I can't force them to abandon life-long held beliefs can I? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranjeet01 Posted August 24, 2014 Report Share Posted August 24, 2014 RS are nothing more than a cult. They are not very popular in Beas and the surrounding areas. They are like a large real estate corporation buying up people's land. They have judges and bigwig politicians in their back pocket. More people come to the Dera from outside Punjab. If you talk to people of Waraich pind whose village has been engulfed and now longer exists and have now have been scattered all over the local area will tell you how much they regret losing their village. Now the same thingis beginning to happen to the other villages as well. It was known that when Waraich village allowed RS to enter their village over 100 years ago,they were warned that it would be a decision that they would regret. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.